Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 06:30:10 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V9 #35 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Sat, 21 Sep 96 Volume 9 : Issue 35 Today's Topics: Any Sun2's still out there? (2 msgs) Device Not Found? PPP advice... sun 3/50 ethernet Sun IPC / vs IPX Suns-at-Home Digest V9 #34 (3 msgs) +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home \ | | Requests: suns-at-home-request > @net-kitchen.com | | Archives: suns-at-home-archives / | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Thompson Subject: Any Sun2's still out there? To: suns-at-home@tigger.net-kitchen.com >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:53:40 -0400 (EDT) >From: Daniel Kosack >Subject: Any Sun2's still out there? >To: suns-at-home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > > Just out of curiosity, are there any Sun 2 systems still out there in >use, or have they all bitten the dust and gone to that big computer land >in the sky? They are still around. I have a 2/120 server with 2 80MB disks, 7MB RAM, 20MB tape, and mono graphics. The system will boot, but some of the operating system is missing. I have 60MB tape images of the OS, but not 20MB. I am in the process of configuring my 3/460 as a boot server for the 2/120 so I can load the OS. I am also missing the Sysgen SCSI-QIC02 tape controller board. I also have a 2/75 desktop machine to go with the 2/120. I am negotiating for another 2/120 with SMD disks. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:30:00 -0700 From: Craig L Wasson Subject: Any Sun2's still out there? To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com I Also am curious about older Sun hardware. I currently have at home: System: SunOS Sun2/170 3.0 700MB SMD disk, cgone, bwtwo Sun2/50 3.0 Diskless - booted from sun2/170 Sun3/110 4.1.1 650MB scsi Sun4/370 4.1.3 Plus I have a sun2/120 partially disassembled. I'm looking for useful apps for the older suns like X, mosaic and pine. Also looking for someone with a type-1 keyboard, or info on how I can get sunview running on my cgone display with a type-2 keyboard. The OS expects a parallel type-1 keyboard with the cgone display. And does anyone have a cheap source for keyboard/ethernet fuses? I have one of the old cisco routers built out of a sun-1 "blackbox" system on the way and wonder if it would be possible to turn it back into a bootable sun-1 system. Anyone have any sun1 roms I can copy? Restoring these very old systems is really becoming a separate branch of the Suns-at-home alias as most people have moved on to the Sparcs. I feel I need to grab sun1/sun2 software fast as it's disappearing. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Thompson Subject: Device Not Found? To: suns-at-home@tigger.net-kitchen.com >From: "Jay Arnold" >Subject: Device Not Found? >To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com >I have a >db50-db50 scsi cable going from the CPU to the scsi-out of the >shoebox and the internal shoebox cabling appears to be complete. Did you install a D50 SCSI terminator on the shoebox? - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 09:40 PDT From: anthony@mksrc.com Subject: PPP advice... To: Suns-at-Home-Request@tigger.net-kitchen.com Hi, I've tried to configure my modem, and have read some solaris sys-admin books, yet still have failed. I have a US Robotics 28.8 external I bought last month. Does anyone have any information on the exact steps to configure this modem? Also, does anyone have any info. on how to set up PPP? (I heard there is a PPP package that is actual better than what SUN offers). Thanks, anthony@mksrc.com - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Alexander Martin Subject: sun 3/50 ethernet To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com Does anyone know how to enable the AUI port on a sun 3/50? I tried playing around with some of the more likely jumpers and switches, with no luck. -Brian Martin - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 15:59:58 EDT From: pkeane@ozymandias.evans1.wilkes.edu (Patrick J.M. Keane) Subject: Sun IPC / vs IPX To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com I have a Sun IPC here on my desk, which (from what I understand) can be upgraded to an IPX with a motherboard swap, pretty seemlessly... I am just curious if anyone has done this, and how much of real performance gain was observed. Currently I have an IPC with 24 megs of ram, and about 1.2 gigs of HD, cg3, and an extra sbus ethernet card inside the case. Patrick - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 14:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Sampson Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V9 #34 To: Christian Rohde > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:49:47 -0400 > From: tfd@mindspring.com (Christian Rohde) > Subject: Modem on 3/60 ??? > > I have recently set up a 3/60 at home, and am wondering how I can hook up a > modem to it to get access to the internet. > > first, can one hook up a 28.8 US robotics modem to the sun, which uses the > standard serial port connector? > > Can the serial port of the 3/60 support this speed? Yes to both. I currently use a Sun 3/50 with a USR 28.8 Sportster as the router for my home network. I have very few serial FIFO overruns. When I had a 3/60 here instead of the 3/50, for some time I was also using that as my main workstation. I could always tell when my girlfriend started downloading mail because when I was running X the screen and mouse pointer would freeze for a brief moment. :-) > I have a local ppp dialup service, is there a PPP or TCP for the modem > settings (dial up number, speed etc) in Sun OS? I don't use SunOS, so I can't talk about that. However, the PPP daemon that comes with NetBSD 1.1 or later works just fine, and also supports dial-on-demand, which is quite handy when you've several machines at home using that connection. > Does Sun OS have a FTP routine, I could use to get a better FTP software > from the net? It's got the standard Unix FTP client, which works fine for me. Many people prefer to upgrade to ncftp. > Will gunzip do as a unstuffer, for the files pulled off the net? That and tar, yes. Newer versions of tar will gunzip at the same time as untarring if given the `z' option, as in `tar xvfz file.tar.gz'. > Does anybody have experience with making a Sun 3/60 talk to a Macintosh via > ethernet? Perhaps even use a ISDN modem hooked up to a Mac via ethernet > connection on the Sun? Just set up TCP/IP on the Mac to talk to the Ethernet card, and plug the Sun and the Mac in, and they should work just fine. However, if you want the Mac to route from the ISDN link to the rest of the network, that may be more complex; you'd have to talk to someone with a bit of knowledge of Mac networking about that. cjs - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 01:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Toerless Eckert Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V9 #34 To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:27:27 +0000 > From: "Jay Arnold" > Subject: Device Not Found? > To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com On the subject of "Device not found" on a 4/110 system: When booting from a scsi disk in the sun4 (or sun3) boot monitor (not sun4c obp prom version 1 monitors though), the semantics is: >b sd(controller, unit, partition) (as described in rtfm boot(8s)). Unit is not the scsi-target number, but it is (8*target+lun), as described in rtfm sd(4s). To fuck up things totally, unit is hexadecimal. So, what you want to try is: >b sd(0,0,0) # for target 0 - the standard disk >b sd(0,8,0) # for target 1 >b sd(0,10,0) # for target 2 >b sd(0,18,0) # for target 3 - most likely being used on an external system >b sd(0,20,0) # for target 4 - Tape drive 2 >b sd(0,28,0) # for target 5 - Tape drive 1, but tapes are st not sd >b sd(0,30,0) # for target 6 - CD-ROM Hope that helps. Toerless - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:16:52 -0700 From: "James W. Birdsall" Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V9 #34 To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com Daniel Kosack writes: > Just out of curiosity, are there any Sun 2 systems still out there in >use, or have they all bitten the dust and gone to that big computer land >in the sky? Yes, there are. sun-www.picarefy.com is a 2/120, probably the last one doing active duty on the Internet. The 2/120 is probably the most common model, despite being the oldest. The 2/170 was a larger, rackmount Multibus unit, and I suspect not too many were sold. The 2/50 and 2/130 (aka 2/160) were both VME machines. Virtually all of the 2/1xx were upgraded to 3/1xx, and probably most of the 2/50's became 3/75's, but you still see them for sale occasionally, too. > I would like to at least play with one, because I have a thing for Suns >and would like to see what they're like. Plus, I like the challange of an >older architecture to bring up to speed. Are there any still out there to >be had? Watch misc.forsale.computers.workstation. You see one go by every once in a while. If you could manage to port NetBSD to them, they'd be easier to keep in operation. :) tfd@mindspring.com (Christian Rohde) writes: >first, can one hook up a 28.8 US robotics modem to the sun, which uses the >standard serial port connector? Yes. A garden-variety serial cable (straight through) will work fine. >Can the serial port of the 3/60 support this speed? No. They will do 19200 pretty well, and 38400 not very well. After that, you have to hack the kernel to get higher speeds, and because the Sun uses a different clock rate for its UARTs, they're pretty oddball speeds, 51200 and 76800. Some modems can support a DTE speed of 76800, but you'll lose a lot of characters on input. >I have a local ppp dialup service, is there a PPP or TCP for the modem >settings (dial up number, speed etc) in Sun OS? SunOS, like most BSD-drived Unices, has built-in support for TCP/IP. You can buy PPP from third parties like Morningstar, but there is none stock in the versions of SunOS available for Sun-3's. The Sun-3 version of NetBSD may have PPP stock, I don't know. >Does Sun OS have a FTP routine, I could use to get a better FTP software >from the net? SunOS has both FTP client and server stock. Depending on what you want to do and are used to, you may not need anything else. >Does anybody have experience with making a Sun 3/60 talk to a Macintosh via >ethernet? Perhaps even use a ISDN modem hooked up to a Mac via ethernet >connection on the Sun? If you have TCP/IP installed on the Mac, they should talk just fine. If you set up the Mac to route packets between the ISDN connection and the Ethernet, then you can get to the outside world from the Sun. However, doing so is a relatively complicated process. (I haven't done it with a Mac specifically, but picarefy.com consists of Suns connected via Ethernet to a gateway machine doing PPP via a normal modem, very much the same idea.) --James - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************