Date: Thu, 9 Feb 95 21:11:10 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V8 #5 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Thu, 9 Feb 95 Volume 8 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: 2x/3x CD-ROMS for SUN (2 msgs) Does floppy drives and SCSI HD work on sun 3/60? (2 msgs) More on X11R6 Shared libs and other problems serial speed? Suns-at-Home Digest V8 #4 X11R6 DES module +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home \ @harbor.ecn.purdue.edu | | Requests: suns-at-home-request > -- or -- | | Archives: suns-at-home-archives / ...rutgers!pur-ee!... | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:53:08 +0100 (MET) From: Toerless Eckert Subject: 2x/3x CD-ROMS for SUN To: Suns-at-Home@ecn.purdue.edu > From: Greg Tarsa > > Does anyone have a recommendation for 2x or 3x CD-ROMS that will work on > the all of :SUN, Macs, and PCs? > > I understand that Plextor makes such a thing, but wanted to know if others > do as well and, optionally, if people have favorite (read cheap) sources > for buying them. I don't know about Plextors. The only drives i know that will work on Sun and PC, and i guess on Mac too are Toshiba CDROM, 3301 (2x, caddy), 3401 (2x, caddy) and 4101 (2x, tray). All these drives have tiny jumper pads which allow you (if you know the coding) to select a sun mode of operations which will select an appropriate blocksize of 512 byte/sector, so you can boot a sun from them. I know that there are software solutions for that problem too, but the most easy solution is to get the right cdrom from the start. The problem is that toshiba sells none of these drvies currently. The current 5201 does not work with sun, because it's only targeted for the PC market and the 3501 is sold with different firmware versions for the different markets currently (at least one month ago), maybe they will come out with a one-for-all of the 3501. So far the best bet is to get a used 3401 which is the best 2x cdrom in my opinion anyway. - ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:04:37 UTC From: nsayer@quack.kfu.com (Nick Sayer) Subject: 2x/3x CD-ROMS for SUN Dwight McKay (The Moderator) writes: >Does anyone have a recommendation for 2x or 3x CD-ROMS that will work on >the all of :SUN, Macs, and PCs? Toshiba makes a 2x, which with a simple modification (cut two option traces) works OK on Suns. It also works without those silly caddy things. Solaris 1.x prints a warning, but I haven't had any trouble getting it to work. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 20:06:38 +0100 (MET) From: Toerless Eckert Subject: Does floppy drives and SCSI HD work on sun 3/60? To: Suns-at-Home@ecn.purdue.edu > Well, I have a Sun 3/60 with SunOS 4.1.1U1 and it is at the moment not > networked. So, I thought why not get a floppy so that I can save stuff on it > and then print it using another machine. But, on looking at the GENERIC kernel, > there's no mention of floppy drives. Also, one the drives went bad and right > now I'm only left with one working shoebox with 141MB HD and 60MB tape drive. > > Question: > 1. Can I hook up a floppy to the Sun 3/60? > 2. Do I _have_ to get a SCSI to replace the broken one in the shoebox? 1. Yes, Sir, but... The Sun 3/60 does not have a standard floppy disc controller like all sparcstations on the motherboard so you can only connect a SCSI floppy drive to the machine. Last time i looked in the kernel sources there was an (unsupported) scsi floppy driver and sun was also selling scsi floppy drives for sun3 machines at some distant point in time. Before you buy such a beast which is really expensive, you should get it on trial and test if it's working. You'll probably end up cheaper with buying an old 8086 motherboard with a floppy and an ethernet card. One probably interesting alternative might be to consider a 21MB "floptical" drive, which also comes with a SCSI interface and can read and write normal floppies. These cost i would guess below 200$ so they are still expensive but you also can use them with their native 21MB medium. Maybe you get a used one for cheap as optical 128 MB 3 1/2 drives have overtaken their market (which can't read normal floppies though). Only problem with these toys is of course driver support. Might well be that the scsi floppy driver will work on them, but on the other hand it might not... 2. What is a "SCSI" ? Let me guess you wanted to ask "a SCSI disc". The answer will probably be no if the disc in the shoebox was originally from sun then it will most likely be an ESDI disc connected via the MD21 ESDI/SCSI controller to the SCSI bus. Just open the shoebox and look if there is a MD21, i.e.: a single PCB with a separate power supply link and a cable to the SCSI bus and a cable to a disc or to two discs. If you have one, try to get an old used ESDI disc. If not try to get a real SCSI disc and probably buy a new 2GB disc. Toerless - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 23:11:49 PST From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Does floppy drives and SCSI HD work on sun 3/60? To: sm99@prism.gatech.edu > From: sm99@prism.gatech.edu (Saifulrizal Mdramli) > Subject: Does floppy drives and SCSI HD work on sun 3/60? > one the drives went bad and right now I'm only left with one working > shoebox with 141MB HD and 60MB tape drive. ... > Do I _have_ to get a SCSI to replace the broken one in the shoebox? If that 141/60 shoebox still has its original Sun setup, the drive is ESDI -- probably a Micropolis 1355 -- with an Emulex MD21 SCSI=>ESDI converter. The converter will accept a second ESDI drive. Just about anything "should" work if you give format the proper dimensions (cyls/ heads/sectors), however another Micropolis 1355, or a 327Mb Micropolis 1558, would be particularly easy to set up since they already have format.dat entries. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:38:56 -0500 From: Scott Ballantyne Subject: More on X11R6 Shared libs and other problems To: Suns-at-Home@ecn.purdue.edu First of all, thanks to everyone for their advice and suggestions. I received several good ideas about the mysterious symbol. Unfortunately none of them worked. One fellow suggested just commenting out the section - that's essentially what I did by doing a #define HasSecureRPC No in the sun.cf file. Finally, even though the libraries did get built and seemed fine, the runtime linker was unable to resolve all of the software. The server Xsun ran just fine - other programs (such as xinit) had symbols that could not be resolved. I finally gave up and built the whole thing statically. I suspect this is due to bugs in the 4.1.1 linker, but it could be gcc-2.6.2's problem. One fellow said he thought I should use 2.6.3, but I'm out of patience. Once built, X11R6 works very well on a 3/60 - the performance is good, screen updates are fine - it's not a sparc, but it's usable. Those of you who have tried openwindows on a sun3 will be pleasantly surprised. Many thanks to: craig@orb.apana.org.au castalia@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu (Bradford Castalia) eble@reardon.freinet.de (Axel Eble) tag@mls.saic.com (Robert Tag)- sdb -- sdb@ssr.com - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:07:41 +0100 (MET) From: Axel Eble Subject: serial speed? To: suns-at-home@ecn.purdue.edu Hi, I was wondering how fast the serial interfaces on my beautiful little 3/160 are and what bugs/features they have. I have an mti0 card which adds 16 serials to the 2 onboard but I don't have anything else about them. I would like to know how fast they are and whether they have the same hardware-hanshake bugs like tty[ab]. Thanks for your answers ;o) Axel - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:18:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert D. Davis" Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V8 #4 To: Suns-at-Home@ecn.purdue.edu > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:46:57 -0500 > From: sm99@prism.gatech.edu (Saifulrizal Mdramli) > Subject: Does floppy drives and SCSI HD work on sun 3/60? > To: Suns-at-Home@ecn.purdue.edu > Question: > 1. Can I hook up a floppy to the Sun 3/60? I'm sure that someone makes, or made, SCSI floppies... I thought I saw some advertised somewhere awhile back, but I don't recall where (it's been a few years). > 2. Do I _have_ to get a SCSI to replace the broken one in the shoebox? Not really. You might want to look around for an ESDI or SMD <-> SCSI adapter... however, I imagine that for large amounts of storage, SCSI drives would probably be the least expensive solution... unless you have some of the other drives on hand. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 16:33:30 MST From: castalia@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu (Bradford Castalia) Subject: X11R6 DES module To: sdb@ssr.com The X11 distribution is packaged sans the DES module (which is used by xdm for authentication). This is, I believe mentioned in the documentation that describes the X11 build and install process (at least it was for the R5 kit). Becasue of US technology export restrictions, the necessry module can not be packaged for shipment overseas. The module is available from the MIT X distribution, but in a special separate location (sorry, don't have the specifics handy). I think the DES mecahnism can be avoided in the build altogether by an appropriate setting the in the X11 config. Brad Castalia - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************