Date: Fri, 25 Aug 00 19:48:58 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #21 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Fri, 25 Aug 00 Volume 13 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: Help with asppp info mixing CPUs in a SS20? Monitor Question NetBSD iso image Printer & Scanner advice Sparc 1+ SPARCClassic available for the taking Sparc LX Serial Console Sparc LX Serial Port via getty on Linux Sun Equipment looking for a good home...... Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #20 (4 msgs) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com | | Requests: suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:12:10 -0400 From: Ray Pfaff Subject: Help with asppp To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com I'm running Solaris & on a Sun IPC and at one point I got asppp to work just fine. To my knowledge, nothing on my system has changed other than I now have to dial the area code to my provider. Lately when I connect, I get the following error: ip_newroute: CLASSD 0xe0000002 (b_prev 0, b_next 0) I can not even get a ping to work now. I turned full debugging on and I get the following in the log file (login and password obviously changed): 17:50:04 Link manager (382) started 07/15/00 17:50:04 parse_config_file: Successful configuration 17:50:15 process_ipd_msg: ipdptp0 needs connection conn(erols-ppp) Trying entry from '/etc/uucp/Systems' - device type ACU. Device Type ACU wanted Trying device entry 'cua/a' from '/etc/uucp/Devices'. processdev: calling setdevcfg(ppp, ACU) fd_mklock: ok fixline(13, 38400) gdial(hayes) called Trying caller script 'hayes' from '/etc/uucp/Dialers'. expect: ("") got it expect: ("") got it sendthem (DELAY ^M) expect: ("") got it sendthem (ATZ^M^M) expect: (OK) ^MATZ^M^M^M^JOKgot it sendthem (ATDT7033546534^M) expect: (CONNECT) ^M^JATDT7033546534^M^M^JCONNECTgot it getto ret 13 expect: (ogin:) 38400^M^J^M^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J^J** Ascend TNT5.ANN Terminal Server **^M^J^M^J^M^JLogin:got it sendthem (mylogin^M) expect: (word:) mylogin^M^JPassword:got it sendthem (mypassword^M) call cleanup(0) 17:51:10 process_ppp_msg: TL_DOWN from unknown protocol -276832976 17:51:10 000001 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 23 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=00 LEN=18 MRU=1500 MAG#=2e25c936 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP 17:51:10 process_ppp_msg: TL_DOWN from unknown protocol -276832976 17:51:10 process_ppp_msg: TL_DOWN from unknown protocol -276832976 17:51:10 000002 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1006 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 03 00 c0 7b 71 98 99 The process_ppp_mesg seems to be the problem here. Anyone seen this before and, more importantly, know how to fix it? - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:02:52 CDT From: "Kazi M. I. Haque" Subject: info To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Hello, I have a 21 inch Next color monitor (with 13W3 female connector attached) and a Gemini-C1 video card (with SVGA-D female connector attached) and a 13W3 male to 13W3 female video cable and a SVGA to SVGA cable I would like to cut my existing 13W3 cable and cut the SVGA cable and solder them together to make a 13W3 to SVGA cable. Do you have any diagrams that shown the pin connections? Thanks. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:51:35 +1000 (EST) From: Craig Dewick Subject: mixing CPUs in a SS20? To: Dwight McKay > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:59:49 +1000 > From: "Dimitris S. Tsifakis" > Subject: mixing CPUs in a SS20? > To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > > Hello all, > > i have a SPARCstation 20 with an SM50 cpu. I want to upgrade my CPU to > an SM71 and the question is could I use the SM50 as the second CPU? > I know that SM71 is a SuperSPARC II and the SM50 is an older SuperSPARC > chip. Will they work together? What combinations are supported/reported > to work? You can't mix Mbus CPU module types. If you want to use more than one CPU module, they have to be the same type, and it's advisable to *not* use modules with no cache in multiple configurations. In your case, you shouldn't use SM-50's in multiple anyway since those modules have no cache, but if you had SM-51 (or SM-52) modules, then you could use two of them together. A single SM-71 75 Mhz Supersparc-2 module is close to the equivalent of two 50 Mhz Supersparc processors btw. Regards, Craig. -- Craig Dewick. Send email to "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au" Point a web browser at 'http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/sun_shack.html' to access my archive of Sun information and links to other places. For info about Sun Ripened Kernels, go to "http://www.sunrk.com.au" - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:34:28 +0800 From: "JC Bernardo" Subject: Monitor Question To: Hello! I have a problem with my monitor. It's a "Java monitor" (whatever that = means ;-). It powers-up, but I see nothing (no display). What could be = the problem? Could anyone suggest a starting point to remedy the = situation? I really would like calling Sun tech guys to be the last = option. Thanks in advance, JC Bernardo - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:48:19 +0100 From: David Richerby Subject: NetBSD iso image To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:24:12 -0500 > From: Eric Hall > Subject: NetBSD iso image > To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > > I have a Sparc Classic that I'd like to > try NetBSD on. It has no diskette drive. > Is there a publicly accessible cdrom > iso image I can download from the 'net? http://www.netbsd.org/Sites/cdroms.html#iso Dave. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:20:48 -0500 From: Garry Garrett Subject: Printer & Scanner advice To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com I'm looking for a color printer and a scanner to hook up to my SparcIPX running Solaris 7. I intend on using the printer to print both garden variety color printouts (from StarOffice, or Netscape, etc.) and printing Photos (on photo paper, etc.). I want the Photos to have maximum shelf life (colorfastnses, etc.), so I'm willing to pay more for a nicer printer if it makes better photos. The scanner I intend to use to scan photos (and turn around an print copies, or maybe stick them on a web page), and I intend to use it for OCR. The scanner I am a bit lost on. I see references to TWAIN, which I take it is a defacto standard. I understand the difference between optical and interpolated resolution. Where I'm lost is where does one get Solaris scanning software? Anybody out there have some recomendations on hardware & software? As far as printers go, I've been looking at: Xerox NC20, Lexmark Optra Color 45n, Kodak Professional 8670 PS Termal Printer, Epson Stylus Photo 2000P, Epson Stylus Photo 1270, and Canon BJC-8500. Both the Xerox and the Lexmark appear to be certified by Sun to work with Suns, the Xerox even mentions JetDirect (so I presume I can use the same JetAdmin software that I use with HP's with JetDirect cards - we use those a lot at work for B&W Laser printers). The Kodak looks like it's made to make prints, so I'm not sure how suited it will be for more mundane color print jobs, plus it looks like it will be very expensive per print. The Epson and Canon printers don't do PostScript. They do "RIP". I still don't have a good handle on what RIP is, but there is a product called "BlackMagic" that apparently is software to do RIP that does have a Solaris version. I have a lot of questions about RIP and wether or not it will be something I could use. I'd rather stick to PostScript, but the Epson 2000P is boasting 100+ years of life when exposed to normal lighting (450 lux). Their lesser models boast 24-26 years which is what they say normal photographs last. Most printers, with photo paper don't last more than 10 years, and on normal paper begin to fade after 1 year. Of course, the Xerox and Lexmark (which seem like my best bet in terms of usability) don't say squat about shelf life on their web pages. Oh, I looked at some HP ones, but they were all 4 color (CYMK) and I think I need 6 color (CYMKcm) to produce the quality of prints I want. Longevity (at least with photo paper) is a major concern. PostScript is a plus huge. Networkability is a plus, but you can get these print servers that hang off of a network relatively cheaply, so that's not a big deal (I have no parallel ports, and both my serial ports are spoken for - to add a printer it's going to have to be networked). I've considered GhostScript, but when I went to http://www.gnu.org/ and looked at the list of supported devices, they were all older ink jets, with smaller resolutions (and I suspect that I'd be printing at a lower resolution than the printer supports and so the pictures won't look as nice). I'm not sure that I'm up to the task of writing my own driver. If any of you have experience with any of these printers, I'd love to hear from you. I suspect most of you, if you have color, have your lower end ink jets and are using GhostScript (I realize I'm looking for something a little higher end than most people get for home use), but I'm hoping that someone out there has been down this path before. Any tips you can give me would be appreciated. For the curious, I've cranked out this web page with links to all the stuff I'm looking at: http://garrett.no-ip.com/printer.html -- Garry Garrett http://monarch.papillion.ne.us/~ggarrett http://garrett.no-ip.com/ ._o o __o |> <\ -\<, 4 . . .. /> . . .. ...O/ O - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:11:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Ken N Subject: Sparc 1+ To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Hi - I am new to suns and I just got this old sun to play with. I would like to install some form of BSD but I have a floppy and when I do the test-floppy with the boot disk I made in there I get, "seems to OK" but when I say "boot fd" It doesn't work. I know that the PROM is bad and I have ordered a new one for it but I thought I could boot it anyway. I actually have a SUN supported CD-ROM and a copy of Solaris I was toying with but I can't get teh CD to boot either. If someome has more info about this please fill me in, I am guessing it's due to the PROM but the stuff I have seen on the net leads me to believe I can still boot it. Thanks Ken http://cleveland.lug.net/~rocket/ The answer is simple if you grant that ironies are like submarines; dangerous only when submerged. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph C Fineman Subject: SPARCClassic available for the taking To: Suns-at-Home SPARCClassic with Solaris 2.3 5-Gbyte 4-mm backup tape drive SunCD 2Plus CD-ROM drive 20-in. gray-scale monitor In working order; 6 years old. Probably available 31 July. In Malden, MA -- a suburb of Boston. Come and get it. First come, first served. All or nothing. --- Joe Fineman jcf@world.std.com ||: To feel guilty is to be afraid of being punished. To feel :|| ||: ashamed is to be afraid of doing it again. :|| - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:32:54 -0500 From: "Richard E. Robbins" Subject: Sparc LX Serial Console To: I've got a Sparc LX and am having problems using the serial ports. The system seems to work fine with a monitor and keyboard attached. If I disconnect the keyboard, I get a message during the boot process indicating that the ttya will be used for I/O. I have a null modem cable attached to the serial port of the Sparc with the other end attached to the serial port on a notebook computer running a terminal emulator. The system does not accept input from the terminal emulator and there is no evidence of any output on the emulator. The serial port characteristics for ttya are 9600,8,n,1,-. The terminal emulator is set to emulate a VT100 with the same settings as the port. Similarly, I am unable to generate any kind of response if I use the input, output or io commands to try and access the port on a temporary basis. I am able to use the same notebook and emulator program to access a serial line on an Intel/Linux computer that I am running. I'm more than a little stuck. Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. -- Rich Robbins - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:56:39 -0500 From: "Richard E. Robbins" Subject: Sparc LX Serial Port via getty on Linux To: I've got a Sparc LX and am having problems using the serial ports. I'd like to be able to put a computer with a terminal emulator on the serial port. Assume that I've also got a monitor and keyboard attached to the system so that the serial port is not the console port. I am running Redhat Linux, version 6.2. My /etc/inittab file contains the following line: 7:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyS0 DT9600 vt100 A similar configuration works well on an Intel/Linux computer that I am also running. I've got a null modem cable running from the LX to the serial port of my notebook computer. There is no evidence of any commnication between the LX and the terminal emulator. I'm more than a little stuck. Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. -- Rich Robbins - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:34:51 -0600 From: "Scott E-mail" Subject: Sun Equipment looking for a good home...... To: I have some sun stuff that i just cannot keep anymore as i just do not have the room. I have the following: SPARCSTATION 1+ -NO HARD DRIVE SPARCSTATION ipc -NO HARD DRIVE BARE SPARC 10 BOARD WITH 2 60 MHZ PROCESSORS SUN 670 (FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD) NO PROCESSORS, NO DISK SPARC LINUX 6.0 SUN OS 4.1.1 SUN 4C AND OPENWINDOWS VERSION 2 ON QIC CARTRIDGE 13 SUN MANUALS FOR THE SUN OS 4.1.1 150 MB QIC DRIVE $85.00 takes all. I will not sell seperatly Thanks Scott - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:22:56 +0100 From: Bob Hoekstra Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #20 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com "Dwight McKay (The Moderator)" wrote: > ... > From: "v b" > ... > >Also look seriously at NetBSD (www.netbsd.org). I have it running on a > >Sparc 1+ as my FTP server - SunOS 5.x would be too bogged down on the 25 > >Mhz sun-4c processor. > > I disagree on this point - I have a 25MHz Sun SPARCStation 1+ and it > runs Solaris 2.6 (full + OEM) quite decently, thank you very much. > I have never had it crash, and I run all the regular stuff on it plus > StarOffice, Netscape Communicator 4.7, IE5 and Outlook Express... I *DO > NOT* recommend running Linux or *BSD on a SPARC architecture for three > reasons: Sorry, but I disagree with this. I have at home (in speed order) a SS2 (Weitek uP, clock doubled to 80MHz), a Tadpole SPARCbook 3GX (110MHz SuperSPARC, but only 32MB memory), a SS10 (40Mhz SuperSPARC) and an Ultra 5 (333MHz UltraSPARC). Only the U5 is capable of running Solaris properly, the others are too slow. On slower machines I would definitely recommend SunOS 4.1.3 if you want a Sun OS, or Linux. I have no experience with BSD but I'v heard good things. > a) They do not perform as well and do not have adequate support for the > SPARC architecture (Linux on SPARC sucked) This is not my experience. I've seen Linux on SPARC and it looks good. > b) *BSD has a comparatively small following, and apart from being Berkeley > based, is run by a very small user base, the binaries have to be compiled > for it or Linux, etc., etc., whereas there's loads of software available for > Solaris... need I go on? DSB is also very stable, is used extensively by ISPs all over the world. The user base is in fact enormous. > c) just because something is "leaner and meaner" is not reason enough to run > it and does not justify running it on SPARC machines. True, but if performance is your only complaint, then "leaner and meaner" may solve all your problems. > ... -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GO/! d- s++:+ a+ C++(++++) US+++$ P+ L+ E--- W++ N++ w--- O- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP- t+ 5++ X+ R* tv+ b+ DI++ D G e(*) h++/-- r+++ y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ----------------------------------------------------- Bob Hoekstra: APL & Unix Consultant Tele: +44 (0)1483 771028 http://www.khamsin.demon.co.uk Home email: Bob.Hoekstra@khamsin.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:04:39 +0100 From: David Richerby Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #20 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:50:10 -0500 > From: Garry Garrett > Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #19 > To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > > One minor note on NFS and mixed flavors of Unix (actually, probably > true if you even have only one flavor): do keep your clocks in sync. > In a previous life, I had an AIX box that NFS exported stuff to some > Sun boxes, and the RS/6000's clock had a fair amount of drift to it > (always gained time). It would write files who's date/time stamps > were in the "future", and the date/time stamps were actually used in > the programs that processed them. Files from "the future" caused > some real problems for the particular programs that we had that used > them. The programmers would "ls -l" the files. The logic "ls -l" > uses is that for dates between "now" and "6 months ago" it prints > the time, but for other dates it prints the year in that slot. A > date in the future is neitehr "now" nor "6 months ago" nor any time > in between, so "ls -l" prints the year instead of the time. I'd recommend GNU ls. The following comment appears in ls.c in the GNU fileutils package: /* The file is fairly old or in the future. POSIX says the cutoff is 6 months old; approximate this by 6*30 days. Allow a 1 hour slop factor for what is considered "the future", to allow for NFS server/client clock disagreement. Show the year instead of the time of day. */ It can also do colouring, which I find very helpful. Dave. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:07:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Leir EPS Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #20 To: Dwight McKay > i have a SPARCstation 20 with an SM50 cpu. I want to upgrade my CPU to > an SM71 and the question is could I use the SM50 as the second CPU? > I know that SM71 is a SuperSPARC II and the SM50 is an older SuperSPARC > chip. Will they work together? What combinations are supported/reported The CPU's must be identical. cheers -- Rick Rick Leir rleir@igs.net 613-828-8289 http://www.igs.net/~rleir/ "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:06:35 -0500 From: Garry Garrett Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #20 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > i have a SPARCstation 20 with an SM50 cpu. I want to upgrade my CPU to > an SM71 and the question is could I use the SM50 as the second CPU? > I know that SM71 is a SuperSPARC II and the SM50 is an older SuperSPARC > chip. Will they work together? What combinations are supported/reported > to work? Unfortunately, you can't mix & match clock speeds. If you have 2 CPUs, they have to be the same MHz. Of course, BridgePoint makes faster CPUs (200MHz, 150MHz, etc.) for your Sparc20, though I'm sure they aren't as cheap as a 71MHz one. > I have a Sparc Classic that I'd like to > try NetBSD on. It has no diskette drive. > Is there a publicly accessible cdrom > iso image I can download from the 'net? Just wondering (not that I have one), but if a JumpStart server existed on the internet, could you JumpStart install NetBSD off of it? (perhaps it would be too slow?) Just thinking out loud. -- Garry Garrett http://monarch.papillion.ne.us/~ggarrett http://garrett.no-ip.com/ ._o o __o |> <\ -\<, 4 . . .. /> . . .. ...O/ O - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************