Date: Sun, 16 Jul 00 09:40:52 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #20 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Sun, 16 Jul 00 Volume 13 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: free: 2x 6U <-> 9U VME adaptor frames mixing CPUs in a SS20? NetBSD iso image NetBSD on Sun 3/80 locking up Revisions regarding Ultra machines... Sbus Fast Ethernet Solaris 8 ipv4 in ipv4 tunneling anybody? Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #19 (2 msgs) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com | | Requests: suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Anthony A. D. Talltree" Subject: free: 2x 6U <-> 9U VME adaptor frames To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Yours for the cost of shipping only: two 501-1666 9U VME frames with DB50 SCSI connector and passthrough cable. aad@verio.net - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:59:49 +1000 From: "Dimitris S. Tsifakis" Subject: mixing CPUs in a SS20? To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Hello all, i have a SPARCstation 20 with an SM50 cpu. I want to upgrade my CPU to an SM71 and the question is could I use the SM50 as the second CPU? I know that SM71 is a SuperSPARC II and the SM50 is an older SuperSPARC chip. Will they work together? What combinations are supported/reported to work? cheers, Dimitris -- ( | ) Dimitris Tsifakis /_\ VK1KBN / SV1DET (ham radio) /\_/\ Australia - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:24:12 -0500 From: Eric Hall Subject: NetBSD iso image To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com I have a Sparc Classic that I'd like to try NetBSD on. It has no diskette drive. Is there a publicly accessible cdrom iso image I can download from the 'net? Thanks, Eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:59:38 +0200 From: Volker Borchert Subject: NetBSD on Sun 3/80 locking up To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com |> From: Craig Dewick |> Subject: Getting Old Suns Working |> NetBSD runs on them however. |> From: der Mouse |> Subject: Getting Old Suns Working |> If you do go with NetBSD, I'll be happy to do what I can to help. So I hope I find help for my problem: I have got two 3/80's booting diskless off SunOS 4.1.4 (sparc) and mounting some more filesystems off OpenBSD 2.3 (sparc), and after about a week or ten days, they just lock up completely without any warning => L1-A / reboot. I'm using a kernel derived from DISKLESS without the esp drivers as is recommended. Somebody on *.netbsd.misc told me to compile ddb into the kernel and use it to determine where it hung. But though I claim to be a fairly competent C programmer, I'm not a Unix kernel guru, so I am now stuck at the ddb> prompt not knowing where to look. I assume NetBSD/m68k to be different enough from Solaris/sparc for PANIC! to be of litte if any help? Any idea? Volker - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Hansen Subject: Revisions regarding Ultra machines... To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com I bought an Ultra-2 for home use and I decided to do it because the price was sooo low ($3000 incl. S/H) w/21" monitor, 256 Meg RAM, Creator Graphics and a 4 Gig HD. When I complained that the unit didn't have a CD-ROM drive but came with a media kit, Sun sent me a brand new 32x SCSI CD-ROM via overnight for N/C. Oh yeah, it has dual 300 Mhz CPUs w/2 MB cache each. My machine was brand new, full Sun 12 month warranty, and was bought from www.teksell.com. I bought it about one month ago. They are still selling these systems one at a time, but now they have 19" monitors and the starting price is $3600... I was close to an educational discounted Ultra 5 myself, but heard the Ultra would "eat it's lunch" performance wise due to several factors (SMP, cache size, and SCSI). When I looked at the cost of taking an Ultra 5 to 256 M RAM and a 21" monitor, the choice was easy... Ken Hansen > Subject: Revisions regarding Ultra machines... > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > A word of caution to those considering buying the Ultra-2. > > This machine has been END-OF LIFEd by sun. {Insert name of our very > large Sun reseller here} has told us there are no more to be had (we got > the last six). But they are becoming plentiful in the surplus market. Just contact MCE and ask how many Ultra-2's and -30's they are currently pushing through their inventory! 8-) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 00 11:13:23 -0500 From: wsalmon Subject: Sbus Fast Ethernet To: tesla@stargate.net I have 10 Fast Ethernet 2.0 sbus adapters, new in the box, with CD and manuals for $250 ea. if you are interested. Thanks Wes Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:30:09 -0400 From: Adam Stouffer Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #18 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com WTB: Sbus ethernet card I'm looking for a reasonably priced sbus ethernet card for my SS2 thats compatible with OpenBSD. It will be doing NAT for my DSL line. Thanks. (http://www.openbsd.org/sparc.html#hardware) Adam - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:39:47 +0100 From: Mike Dent Subject: Solaris 8 ipv4 in ipv4 tunneling anybody? To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Folks, I'm having a spot of bother with the syntax and setup of IPIP version 4 tunnel? Does anybody on here have any experience of setting tunnels up with Solaris 8 now it supports it? Thanks Mike -- Mike Dent, Morecambe, Lancs. UK | email , Amprnet PGP fingerprint: 44 F5 22 C4 CB A2 3F 9F 73 9C 02 9F 0B 16 55 72 - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:50:10 -0500 From: Garry Garrett Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #19 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com "Dwight McKay (The Moderator)" wrote: > > From: dave@cca.org > Subject: a few questions > > c. My SS2 running openbsd runs beautifully, and serves NFS to my > VAXstation running ultrix beautifully. My RS/6000 running > AIX 3.2.5 consistantly chokes after a few hours of mounting > a filesystem via NFS from the sun. I'm blaming AIX by default, > but perhaps someone has heard something about this being a > known problem? I suppose a tad off topic (find an AIX@Home listserv?), but I can't imagine that you are the only one on this list with a mixture of Unices to play with, so the rest of you scroll down if you aren't intrested. I don't have any AIX 3.2.5, but I've had some AIX 4.1.5 (which is now all 4.3.2?), and I wonder if this doesn't carry over. IBM seems to have to take a few itterations to get NFS right. AIX 4.1.5 "supported" NFS V.3, however version 3 was so flakey on AIX that we abandoned it and forced all the NFS mounts to use version 2. In current versions of AIX, NFS V.3 is supposed to be a whole lot more stable (not that we have tested the waters yet, we don't have anything NFS mounted off of AIX on our Suns that makes use of CacheFS or anything like that that would really warrent our wanting or needing to go to V.3 - the truth of the matter is, we just haven't had the time or the inclination to try it). Of course IBM gets NFS V.3 right around the time that V.4 is coming out (is it out already?). :-) If you wanted to force versions on a Solaris client, you would edit /etc/vfstab. The very last column is the options to pass the mount command. If you read through the man page on mount_nfs you will find vers=N where N is the NFS version that you want (2 to force this to NFS version 2). FYI, in a previous life I had an NFS mount to an AS/400 (EBCDIC mini-computer - however the TCP/IP package came with NFS support). I had to bump the timeout value from 1.1 seconds (the default) to 60 seconds as the first time that you "hit" a directory, the AS/400 went through several gyrations to translate the directory into ASCII and this could take upto 60 seconds. In /etc/vfstab we added the option: timeo=600 (it's measured in 10ths of seconds, so 600 is 60.0 seconds). If I'm going over a WAN, I sometimes crank up the timeout values too. If you were going to force versions on a Solaris server, I would think you would add something to the -o in /etc/dfs/dfstab you, but a quick look at the man page for share_nfs didn't turn anything up. I have this fear that it's something you'd have to globally set for the whole NFS server (perhaps you'd have to mess with /etc/rc3.d/S15nfs.server and pass the NFS daemon[s] some additional arguments, etc.). I don't know what version(s) AIX 3.2.5 supports, however, you might try forcing it to mount with an older version than the highest one that is supported. Normally NFS will negotiate to whatever is the highest version that both client and server support. I don't remember how to force the version on AIX (probably on a SMITTY screen somewhere, which in turn writes to /etc/filesystems, at least in 4.x). Consult your man pages and I'm sure you'll find they syntax to force a particular NFS version. Considering that you have no problems with other Unices, I'd "fix" the version on the client rather than the server, then the client will negotiate with the server to the version that it wants, yet other boxes can speak to your server with a newer version. Wouldn't hurt to bump the timeout values up a bit, in case the real problem is a flakey network card or some such networking problem. Of course, there were a few copies of Solaris 2.5.1 for the PowerPC that made it out the door before Sun changed their minds on it - you could run Solaris on your RS/6000 if you wanted to. :-) I'm sure that Linux is ported to it too, perhaps some flavors of BSD as well. :-) I thought I recalled hearing that AIX 3.2.5 was not Y2K compliant? Aternatively, perhaps you could scare up the source code to AFS (Andrew FileSystem) or some such alternative to NFS (usually written to be more secure) and then your boxes would all be running the same code (of course you are own your own to support it). One minor note on NFS and mixed flavors of Unix (actually, probably true if you even have only one flavor): do keep your clocks in sync (rdate, NTP, etc.). In a previous life, I had an AIX (3.2.5 I think - I rarely touched the thing, most apps had ported off of it before my time) box that NFS exported stuff to some Sun boxes (Solaris 2.3 and later 2.5 and 2.5.1), and the RS/6000's clock had a fair amount of drift to it (always gained time). It would write files who's date/time stamps were in the "future", and the date/time stamps were actually used in the programs that processed them. Files from "the future" caused some real problems for the particular programs that we had that used them. The programmers would "ls -l" the files. The logic "ls -l" uses is that for dates between "now" and "6 months ago" it prints the time, but for other dates it prints the year in that slot. A date in the future is neitehr "now" nor "6 months ago" nor any time in between, so "ls -l" prints the year instead of the time. They'd ls the file and it would have the year (the current year) and by the time they ran to my desk to show me what they were talking about, the Sun had "caught up" to the AIX box and "ls -l" looked normal. :-) :-) :-). AIX's "rdate" is called "setclock" if I remember right. I actually found copies of xntpd (now ntpd) for all the boxes and synced them off of a Cisco router (which synced off of an internet time source, etc.). Well, actually I used "ntpdate" in a cron job to sync up, but ntpdate comes with xntpd (and ntpd). ------------------------------------------------------------ While I'm at it, I'll correct my own type-o... > In plain csh there is a shell variable > "autologout" (no dash) that you can set to do this same > type of thing, measured in minutes: > > set autologout-60 # log out after 60 min. of inactivity > Should read... set autologout=60 # log out after 60 min. of inactivity (An "=" not a "-"). I'm sure I won't be the only one to correct myself. Hope I didn't confuse anyone. -- Garry Garrett http://monarch.papillion.ne.us/~ggarrett http://garrett.no-ip.com/ ._o o __o |> <\ -\<, 4 . . .. /> . . .. ...O/ O - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:16:42 EEST From: "v b" Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #19 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) >Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >To: Suns-at-Home-List@tigger.net-kitchen.com >Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #19 >Date: Tue, 4 Jul 00 12:18:23 EST >Also look seriously at NetBSD (www.netbsd.org). I have it running on a >Sparc 1+ as my FTP server - SunOS 5.x would be too bogged down on the 25 >Mhz sun-4c processor. I disagree on this point - I have a 25MHz Sun SPARCStation 1+ and it runs Solaris 2.6 (full + OEM) quite decently, thank you very much. I have never had it crash, and I run all the regular stuff on it plus StarOffice, Netscape Communicator 4.7, IE5 and Outlook Express... I *DO NOT* recommend running Linux or *BSD on a SPARC architecture for three reasons: a) They do not perform as well and do not have adequate support for the SPARC architecture (Linux on SPARC sucked) b) *BSD has a comparatively small following, and apart from being Berkeley based, is run by a very small user base, the binaries have to be compiled for it or Linux, etc., etc., whereas there's loads of software available for Solaris... need I go on? c) just because something is "leaner and meaner" is not reason enough to run it and does not justify running it on SPARC machines. > > Also, how exactly can I install unto the SPARCStations? They only > > have floppy drives and I suspect SunOS does not come on floppies. Get a CDROM drive that supports 512KB/sec transfer rate (some CD-ROMs have a jumper in the back that "downgrades" them to this transfer rate). Configure the CD-ROM to be target 6. This is extremely important because if you don't, you don't get to use the CD-ROM, no ifs, buts, or maybes. All Sun SPARC machines, regardless of architecture, need to have the CD-ROM configured as c0t6d0 - controller0, target6, disk0. Next get to the "OK" prompt in the PROM and type: boot sd(0,6,2) - or - boot cdrom the first one is for older PROMs (usually sun4c and sun4m architecture, and below version 2.00) the second one works on newer PROMs, usually sun4u, sun4d architectures. After that, Solaris will guide you through the installation process (ala Windows, kind of). >Are you sure? In plain csh there is a shell variable >"autologout" (no dash) that you can set to do this same >type of thing, measured in minutes: > >set autologout-60 # log out after 60 min. of inactivity Yes, I'm sorry, that's what it is. `set autologout=60` works like a charm. Plus the functionality of tcsh only zsh can beat. >Of course, to make this global, you add this line to the >file /etc/.login which all C Shells process upon login. As >tcsh is a superset of csh (so I've heard), I would think that >this csh-ism should work on tcsh too. Yap. Works like a charm. Annoying as hell, but works. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************