Date: Sun, 28 May 00 19:43:01 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #16 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Sun, 28 May 00 Volume 13 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: first experiences with 365-1168 20" grayscale how to disconnect idle users automatically. SPARCstation ELC questions Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #15 Sun Sparc reference +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com | | Requests: suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 00 22:58:23 PDT From: lakin@pgc.com (Fred Lakin) Subject: first experiences with 365-1168 20" grayscale To: Cory.Bajus@mts.mb.ca Cory -- Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:05:03 -0500 From: Cory.Bajus@mts.mb.ca Subject: Experiences with 365-1168 20" grayscale monitor? To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com I am looking for a good quality grayscale monitor. Does anyone have any experiences with this particular Sun monitor? As it happens, I just got a used one yesterday. Looks OK in the middle, little fuzzy around the perimeter, but basically good. Not as crisp as my old 17" grayscale (365-1055), but makes up in sheer size so the net result is easier on my eyes. And maybe I can adjust the focus somehow. There's a screw on the back next to a little CRT shape with vertical bars on each side I hvn't tried messing with yet. And of course not 20" -- 17 3/4" image diagonal. Is it considered to be a good choice? I am wondering: - What type of video connector does it have (13W3, DB9, etc.)? The one I got has 13W3, same as my 19" color and gray (365-1155) and 17" gray. - What framebuffers support this monitor? Dunno, but working fine with cgsix. If like my old 19" gray, may not work with bwtwo0 framebuffer (unlike the 1055). - What video modes and sync rates does this model support? On the back it sez 47-63Hz. There is a switch for 1152x900 or 1280x1024; former works, hvn't tried the latter. And the most important question - do these monitors last under normal use (i.e. turning them off when not in use (overnight))? Thanks in advance... Cory. Dunno yet. But my old 19" gray lasted for 6 years and was not turned off, just screendimmed. -f - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:22:19 -0700 From: Bradford Castalia Subject: how to disconnect idle users automatically. To: sunthar resar > - ------------------------------ > Please help me to figureout how to disconnect > the users who are idle for more than one hour > automatically. > Set the users login shell to tcsh and configure it appropriately See the (long) tcsh man page for particulars. -- Bradford Castalia Castalia@azstarnet.com Systems Analyst http://www.azstarnet.com/~castalia idæim 520-624-6629 712 N. Seventh Avenue Tucson, AZ 85705 "Build an image in your mind, fit yourself into it." The Log of Cyradis, Seeress of Kell. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: der Mouse Subject: SPARCstation ELC questions To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > The good news is that they use standard 72pin SIMMs giving you a > cheap way to get 64MB. The BAD news is that the SIMMs have to have > true parity which 90% of PC SIMMs aren't. However, the ELC can use 36-bit and 33-bit SIMMs. I've even seen some indications that it can use 32-bit (ie, non-parity) SIMMs. (In this it differs notably from the SLC, which as far as I can tell demands 36-bit memory.) It does appear to me that if you mix widths, you're wasting the extra width of the wider SIMMs (eg, if you mix 36-bit and 33-bit, the extra three bits in the 36-bit SIMMs go to waste). Of course, the fewer "extra" (ie, past 32) bits, the less error checking you have on the RAM. der Mouse mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:30:12 -0500 From: Garry Garrett Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #15 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > From: sunthar resar > > Hi GUrus, > Please help me to figureout how to disconnect > the users who are idle for more than one hour > automatically. There's a script running around called "ko". It will kick people off after 24 hours of idel time, though I suspect that it would be easy to change that to an hour. I can scare you up a copy (don't have it handy at the moment) and e-mail it to you if you want mailto:ggarrett@monarch.papillion.ne.us > Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:58:38 -0500 > From: Cory.Bajus@mts.mb.ca > Subject: SPARCstation ELC clarification > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > I'm sorry if I was not clear about my question regarding 'turning off the > screen'. What I am looking for is a physical method to power down the monitor > portion of the SPARCstation. ... > > Does anyone know of a hardware hack for accomplishing this task? There was a device called "Green$aver Auto Monitor Switch". I don't know who made it, but SunExpress (now SunStore, http://store.sun.com/) used to sell it (at least in the 1998 catalog). I can see from the picture in the catalog that it has a male power receptical on it and a power cable with a male end on it. I presume you take the power cord that is supposed to plug into the monitor and plug it into the box, and then plug the cord coming out of the box into the monitor. It must also have somewhere (on the back, not in the picture?) that the keyboard/mouse cable also plugs in, (again, interjecting it between your keyboard and your Sun). It claims that after some user defineable time of seeing no keyboard/mouse activity, it will cut the power to the monitor. When it sees some activity, it will power the monitor back on (takes about 4-7 seconds to come back on it says). Listed for $80 back in 1998. Good luck finding one. > Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:59:02 -0400 > From: "Gordon, John" > Subject: Sun Sparc reference ? > To: "'suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com'" > > I was looking for a good used Sun machine to use at home, but am having > trouble finding any kind of reference on the net that tells me how to > compare whats out there ... what the hardware progression is through the > various system names that are for sale (sparc 1, 2, 5, classic, ultra, ss10, > ss20, ilx?, epc?, etc), framebuffers (tx1 vs cg6, etc), whats a good idprom > and should i care ?, which ones have room in the case for an add-on internal > CD drive ?, and the like. There are lots of hardware guides for the PC, but > none I can find for the Sun. The one I did find has a bad link (Birdsall?). I copy of Birdsall's (Sp?) wonderful FAQ can be found at http://www.sunhelp.org/ where you will also find some framebuffer FAQs, etc. In terms of power, (this is from memory, check an FAQ to be sure): SLC/IPC ELC/IPX/SPARC1/SPARC1+ SPARCclassic/LX/SPARC2 SPARC4/SPARC5 SPARC10/SPARC20 SPARC1000/SPARC2000 Ultra1 Ultra2 Ultra5/Ultra10 Ultra250 Ultra450/420/440 Ultra3000/3500 Ultra4000/4500 Ultra5000/5500 Ultra6000/6500 Ultra10000 Ones that are on the same line are around the same firepower. Where there are multiple machines on the same line, the ones on the left generally have less room for expansion, are less upgradable, etc. Generally speaking, when it comes to frame buffers, cgN, the higher the N, the better the graphics. A GX buffer is approximately equivalent to a cg6. TGX (Turbo GX) I think is faster (I'm not real sure). It gets fuzzy for me above that (Creator 3D, etc.), particluarly the new PCI stuff (PGX-32?). I've never been in an environment that called for anything that high powered (CAD/CAM, etc.). > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:47:58 +0100 > From: "JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1)" > Subject: What Version > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > How can you tell which version on Solaris you are running from a shell > prompt? > > Cheers > Iain > > [uname -a --ddm] uname -r Of course this same number shows up as the 3rd column in a uname -a Having said that, of course this shows you the version of SunOS, which is inextricably intertwined with the version of Solaris. Solaris is a "package" that includes the operating system (SunOS), an X-Windows package (OpenWindows and maybe CDE), etc. A given version of Solaris *includes* a specific version of SunOS: SunOS Solaris ----- ------- 5.5 2.5 5.5.1 2.5.1 5.6 2.6 5.7 7 5.8 8 You may noticed the "version inflation" that happened long about what would have been 2.7. -- Garry Garrett http://monarch.papillion.ne.us/~ggarrett - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:15:42 -0700 From: "Brian P. Costello" Subject: Sun Sparc reference To: GordonJ@US-Chantilly-Westfields.mail.SAIC.com, John, I don't know of an online reference but I will be happy to give it a shot from memory: SPARC (Scaleable Prosessor ARCitecture), SUN4C, 1989-1992: SS1: 20MhZ SPARC Processor, pizza box, 2HD, FLPY, no CD IPC: 20MhZ SPARC Processor, small pizza box, 1HD, FLPY, no CD SLC: 20MhZ SPARC Processor, all in one unit with mono display, no HD, no FLPY, no CD SS1+: 25MhZ SPARC Processor, pizza box, 2HD, FLPY, no CD ELC: 25MhZ SPARC Processor, all in one unit with mono display, no HD, no FLPY, no CD SS2: 40Mhz SPARC Processor, pizza box, 2HD, FLPY, no CD 80MhZ Weitek PowerUP Processor IPX: 40MhZ SPARC Processor, small pizza box, 1HD, FLPY, no CD 80MhZ Weitek PowerUP Processor Super SPARC, SUN4M, 1992-1995: SS10:30, 40, 50MhZ Super Sparc M-Bus CPU module, pizza box, 2HD, FLPY, no CD 40, 50, 60, 80MhZ Super Sparc M-Bus w/ 1Meg Super Cache CPU module 50, 60MhZ dual processor (Viking) module, takes up adjoining SBus slot 100, 125, 150MhZ Ross Hyper SPARC M-Bus w/ 256K Cache CPU module SS20: 60, 80MhZ Super Sparc M-Bus CPU module, pizza box, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD 40, 50, 60, 80MhZ Super Sparc M-Bus w/ 1Meg Super Cache CPU module 50, 60MhZ dual processor (Viking) module, takes up adjoining SBus slot 100, 125, 150MhZ Ross Hyper SPARC M-Bus w/ 256K Cache CPU module Micro SPARC, SUN4M, 1992-1995 Sparc Classic: 30MhZ, small pizza box, 1HD, FLPY, no CD Sparc Classic LX: 50MhZ, small pizza box, 1HD, FLPY, no CD SS5: 80, 110MhZ, pizza box, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD SS4: 80, 110MhZ, pizza box, only 1 drive mounted on motherboard, FLPY, CD Ultra SPARC, SUN4U, 1995-present Ultra1: 167, 200 MhZ, processor soldered on MB, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD Ultra2:167, 200, 250MhZ processor module, up to 2 per system, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD Ultra5:200MhZ onboard "Darwin" low end desktop, IDE drives, FLPY, IDE CD Ultra10:300MhZ onboard "Darwin" low end tower, IDE drives, FLPY, IDE CD Ultra30:250, 300, 400MhZ processor module, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD Ultra60:300, 400, 450MhZ processor module, up to 2 per system, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD Ultra80:300, 400, 450MhZ processor module, up to 4 per system, 2 SCA HD, FLPY, CD Color Graphics: CG3: 1152x900 8bit unaccelerated (lowest end) color graphics CG3 for SS5: 1024x768 8bit unaccelerated (lowest end) color graphics CG6 or GX: 1152x900 dual SBUS slot 8 bit accelerated color graphics GX: 1152x900 8 bit accelerated color graphics GX+:1280x1024 8 bit accelerated color graphics TGX: 1152x900 8 bit better accelerated color graphics TGX+:1280x1024 8 bit accelerated color graphics CG12 or GS: 1152x900 24 bit accelerated color graphics, acceleration unsupported after Solaris 2.4 CG?? or GT: Graphics Tower external graphics engine acceleration unsupported after Solaris 2.5 CG?? or SX: 1152x900 on board (some SS10 and all SS20) 24 bit kind of accelerated color graphics, must have VRAM DIMM module to activate SX. LEO or ZX: 1280x1024 24 bit accelerated color graphics, dual SBUS slot ZX+: 1280x1024 24 bit accelerated color graphics, dual SBUS slot, this adapter actually takes up all 4 SBUS slots due to the cooling fans. 1.5x the performance of ZX. It runs real HOT. acceleration unsupported after Solaris 2.6 Creator 3D: 1280x1024 24 bit accelerated color graphics, 2x ZX, requires Creator Slot, Ultra class only. PGX: 1280x1024 PCI version of GX Elite 3D: 1280x1024 24 bit accelerated color graphics, 2x Creator 3D, requires AFB slot only found in Ultra 10, 30, 60, and 80. Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:59:02 -0400 From: "Gordon, John" Subject: Sun Sparc reference ? To: "'suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com'" I was looking for a good used Sun machine to use at home, but am having trouble finding any kind of reference on the net that tells me how to compare whats out there ... what the hardware progression is through the various system names that are for sale (sparc 1, 2, 5, classic, ultra, ss10, ss20, ilx?, epc?, etc), framebuffers (tx1 vs cg6, etc), whats a good idprom and should i care ?, which ones have room in the case for an add-on internal CD drive ?, and the like. There are lots of hardware guides for the PC, but none I can find for the Sun. The one I did find has a bad link (Birdsall?). Can anybody help me ? Please respond to my email as well as the list. Thanks in advance. bcingu John -- Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area http://costello.mine.nu - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************