Date: Fri, 18 Feb 00 15:57:04 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #5 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Fri, 18 Feb 00 Volume 13 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: "Front" key under RH Linux 6.0 advice sought on dying grayscale monitor an old SPARC ELC workstation More Sun 3 giveaways Older SPARCs and LCD Panel Displays Ready for parts for Classic (2 msgs) samba and WinNT Wkst Sparc 5s, Weiteks and misc. Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #2 Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #4 (3 msgs) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com | | Requests: suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:50:47 -0800 From: David Herron Subject: "Front" key under RH Linux 6.0 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com At 07:54 PM 2/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:16:54 -0600 >From: Evan Person >Subject: "Front" key under RH Linux 6.0 >To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > >Does anyone know how to make the "Front" key work >under RedHat Sparc Linux 6.0 with Gnome/Enlightenment >like it does under Solaris? Ditto the "Open", "Copy", >and "Paste" keys. Hardware is a Sparc 5 with Type 5 >keyboard. > >Thanks, >Evan Those keys come in as regular keys. I used to know what the keycodes were. If you run "xev" -- this is an X app that shows all events that arrive to it -- then type various keys into it, you'll see what the keycodes are. Once you have mapped out what those special Sun specific keys map to as X11 keycodes, you dig open the documentation for the window manager and see how to cause events containing those keycodes to do different things. I'm not real familiar with the Enlightenment window manager even though I use it every day on *my* Redhat installation. In other window managers, though, there's a config file that maps event-specifications into a "command". The commands were things like "raise", "lower", etc .. David - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 00 12:56:11 PST From: lakin@pgc.com (Fred Lakin) Subject: advice sought on dying grayscale monitor To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Well, my trusty old Sun 19" grayscale monitor -- 365-1154-01, model DM-8200, Sept 93 -- finally bit the dust. Got up one morning and screen is black, little green light in lower left corner dark. When I turn the power off and then back on, the little green light flashes on twice but then goes dark and stays dark. Anything quick and easy I can do? Like, the symptoms mean it's just the power supply and I can swap it myself ... Otherwise, I have been thinking of a flat pannel display. Opinions on what will work with Sun (and PC too)? Also, should it take both analog and digital input? tnx, -f - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 14:42:59 -0500 From: Daniel Clark Subject: an old SPARC ELC workstation To: Suns-at-Home-List@tigger.net-kitchen.com I might be able to obtain an old SPARC ELC workstation. The processor is equivalent to a 486DX -50, and it has 40MB RAM (max 48MB). It has 6GB of hard drive space, a tape backup, and a CD-ROM. Is it possible to refurbish this box? If so, what would be a good place to send it for refurbishing? -Daniel - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:33:16 -0800 From: "Charles R. Hoynowski" Subject: More Sun 3 giveaways To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com I was going to toss it out, but, if anyone wants it, speak now. Lots of Sun 3 (not sparc) stuff to go; disk packs, working 3/60, 3/110, 3/50, scsi cables, color board for the 3/60 and whatever other Sun 3 stuff I can dig up. At least 3 maybe 4 working systems. I'd prefer someone to take the lot, I'm not going to custom build systems. Only price is you have to come pick it up. email:charles@sparc.com --charles - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:23:03 -0500 From: "John B. Lee" Subject: Older SPARCs and LCD Panel Displays To: Have anyone had any success using an analog flat panel display on an older SPARC (e.g., LX, IPX, SS5)? Just curious. -- John B. Lee jbl@andrew.cmu.edu - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:34:12 -0500 From: "Sheldon T. Hall" Subject: Ready for parts for Classic To: "'Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com'" On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:59:28 -0500 (EST), Scott Ehrlich writes: [snip] > What I need (for now): > - CD-ROM (I have SunOS 4.1.4 on CD) See the Sun CD-ROM FAQ for compatible devices. You'll need something that will read 512-byte sectors, rather than the 2048-byes ones most PC-oriented stuff wants. A slower drive (2X, say, maybe 4X) will probably be a better fit that anything faster, as I often see Usenet reports of faster drives reporting errors on these old boxes. 50-pin SCSI, must be ID 6. > - Sun Type 4 or 5 keyboard (Type 5 would be preferred) Get the "UNIX Layout" if you can. > - 1 Gig hard drive (actually, how much disk space would a full install of > 4.1.4 utilize)? I dunno about 4.1.4, but Solaris 7 only takes something like 7-800 megs if you do the "full install with OEM." I get by nicely with much less. I started with the "user" installation, deleted the junk I didn't need, and added the stuff I did. I think my resulting installation is < 500 megs. 2 gig 50-pin SCSI disks are pretty cheap, even new ones. > I plan to connect it to a mini hub, so a Sun keyboard may not be needed. That's how I use my LX. I telnet in from another box. It's snappier than using the actual console. > I am told SPARCs can operate via their serial port, with no monitor, > keyboard, or mouse. How does this work? I have the full Service Manual > printed from a PDF file from Sun. If the EPROM/NVRAM stuff is set to the defaults, Port A is the console if there's no keyboard detected at boot-up. 9600 baud. 8-n-1, I think; try 7-e-1 if not. Use a null modem if you're connecting to a PC. This is actually a good way to install Solaris, as you miss the time-consuming graphics. 4.1.4 probably doesn't bother with the graphics, so it may not matter for you. -Shel - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:19:48 -0500 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Ready for parts for Classic To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com "From: Scott Ehrlich " "- 1 Gig hard drive (actually, how much disk space would a full install of "4.1.4 utilize)? 1G would do it easily. i remember wedging not-very-stripped installations into 424M drives when i was last involved with sunos4, about 5 years ago. this was with 128M swap and no home space. __________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay I used to be pessimistic but it never works out internet rambler I believe that it's unlucky to be superstitious adh@an.bradford.ma.us DRIVE NOW -- TALK LATER - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:22:50 +0100 (MET) From: Rainer Duffner Subject: samba and WinNT Wkst To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Hi, though this might be more for one of the samba-lists, I thought I'd post it here... I have setup my SS10 as a printer-server with samba (2.0.5, IIRC), having. bought that special 26-pin micro-thingy from a Used-Workstation-Trader (Why on earth would one want to have such a parallel port ?). I can now print through it from all my other computers from all OSs. But: When I use Windows, a spool-file is left in the /tmp directory. This clutters up space until the fs is full, which is rather quickly. How can one avoid this ? Note that according to the smb.conf-file (or swat, that is), there is already an "lp.... ; rm %s"-entry in the print-command-section. So this should delete the file, shouldn't it ? thanks, Rainer -- ======================================== Rainer Duffner , Konstanz, Germany eMail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de rainer.duffner@surf24.de www: http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de M.I.C.R.O.S.O.F.T. Most Intelligent Customers Realize: Our Software Only Fools Teenagers ======================================== - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Subject: Sparc 5s, Weiteks and misc. To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com I've recently decommissioned a lovely Sparc5 being used as a shell server and gateway box for my cable connection. It has... 85mhz cpu 64meg RAM 3gig disk (internal 1 and 2 gig drives) 2x internal cd awkwardly mounted floppy 10/100 ethernet + fast wide scsi sbus card TGX sbus type 5 kbd and mouse 17" GDM-17E10 monitor. Everything is in very good condition and I'm just wondering what the going rate for this stuff is. I really don't need it around anymore. I've also got 2 weitek power-ups and, 1 cpu extraction tool and some external cases with dat, tape and nothing in them. Does anyone maintain a list of current market value? "If you are like me and some other people, all you are really looking for is a few more convenient ways to pay your credit card bills" Alex alex@vmunix.com http://www.vmunix.com/~alex - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:31:41 -0600 From: "Buzek" Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #2 To: For Sale 5 Disk hot swappable raid array. Has 4 9 gig disks and 1 18 gig disk. Paid over 10 grand for this puppy when bought new. Letting go really cheap( wife does not like it ). Please email me directly. buzek@ev1.net Tom - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:02:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Lindsey Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #4 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:34:06 -0800 (PST) David Wolfskill said... > At home, in preparation for the DSL install, I picked up a used PC, > installed FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE (from the CD that was handed out at the > June USENIX) on it, set up ipfw & natd, and it's worked fairly well. What's ipfw? > And by default, FreeBSD is set to mail a status report to "root" every > morning... and it summarizes anything that ipfw logs. So I set up ipfw > to not only log any UDP traffic it rejects or TCP setup traffic it > rejects, but also any externally-originating TCP setup that is > permitted. If you ignore failed attempts, and just take note of successful TCP setups, will that catch everything that might have damaged you? Currently, I just call inetd with the - t option, and look in /var/adm/messages for "interesting" things. Nothing showed up yet (but then my total connected time is only about 1 hour per night). I probably need to write a script to filter /var/adm/messages, and mail me anything unusual, of course. Is it really appropriate to do more than that? > > For this audience, it may well be that Darren Reed's ipfilter would be a > good fit... URL? Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Email: chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Voice/Fax: +44 161 437 4506 Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600 From: "REISFIELD, DALE" Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #4 To: "'Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com'" Try http://www.arrowfieldinc.com/html/sun.htm for your part. From their ad it apppears they may have what you need. Dale Reisfield dreisfield@re-ro.com > > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:22:57 -0600 > From: BHamill@mbcm.org > Subject: need SS5 CD mounts > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > I bought a CD for my SS5 through an Internet auction. It came without the > cylindrical t-shaped mounts that you need to put it in the case. I thought > these would be easier to find than they actually are- Sun is willing to sell > me a CD with the mounts, but not the mounts, and I haven't found any other > sources (struck out with local Sun vendors, etc.). Does anyone know where I > can find these? - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:10:50 -0600 From: Garry Garrett Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V13 #4 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:22:57 -0600 > From: BHamill@mbcm.org > Subject: need SS5 CD mounts > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > I bought a CD for my SS5 through an Internet auction. It came without the > cylindrical t-shaped mounts that you need to put it in the case. I thought > these would be easier to find than they actually are- Sun is willing to sell > me a CD with the mounts, but not the mounts, and I haven't found any other > sources (struck out with local Sun vendors, etc.). Does anyone know where I > can find these? I recall seeing in SunExpert magazine (now called Server/Workstation Expert now that they have rolled their failing AIX and Web server mangzines into their healthy Sun oriented one), an advertisement from a company that sold brackets for Sparc5's for at least the hard drives. Maybe they carry brackets for the CDRoms too? I think I put a link on my Sun page (don't have a current copy here at home) for them, if not, e-mail me and I'll look them up in some back issues and send you their URL, phone, etc. > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:59:28 -0500 (EST) > From: Scott Ehrlich > Subject: Ready for parts for Classic > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > Hello to all: > > After an unexpected delay is misfiled emails, I am now ready to pursue > putting my inherited SPARCClassic into a workable state. I only have the > CPU. Video and system memory are unknown quantities. There is a hard > drive (~500 Meg) which I would like to upgrade to 1 Gig. > > What I need (for now): > > - CD-ROM (I have SunOS 4.1.4 on CD) > - Sun Type 4 or 5 keyboard (Type 5 would be preferred) > - 1 Gig hard drive (actually, how much disk space would a full install of > 4.1.4 utilize)? I got an IPX not too long ago and I also needed a CDRom and a keyboard. Now I wanted caddy mounted so that I could buy extra caddies, put all my commonly used cdroms in the caddies and leave them there, and then my wife would not have to handle them. For caddy mounted cdrom drives, I found the best prices at Reputable Systems, which is actually a SGI reseller (http://www.reputable.com/), but happens to sometimes have Sun stuff (and because it's not their main line of work, they dump it cheap). I also needed a keyboard (the type 4 that came with had some broken keys), and they had Type-5's at the time too (still using the type 4 mouse). There are a gabillion other Sun resellers. When I come across them, I add them to my sun page (not the most extensive list, but a decent start): http://monarch.papillion.ne.us/~ggarrett/sun.html > I plan to connect it to a mini hub, so a Sun keyboard may not be needed. I picked up a combination hub/print server from Netgear (http://www.netgear.com), specifically the PS104. I got it from AccessMicro (http://www.accessmicro.com/). I got it largely because I already had a good laser printer that does PostScript, but it only has a parallel port and my IPX lacked one. The PS104 can boot up via RARP/BOOTP/DHCP. The instructions for RARP and BOOTP were actually pretty good (though you had to wade through all the PC stuff in the PDF file to find them). I don't remember if Classics have a parallel port or not, but for older Suns that don't, it can be a real plus. It comes with 4 10MB/Sec ethernet ports. I priced the print servers that hang off the parallel port and have a 10MB/Sec ethernet port on them (that you would plug into a hub) and they were all over $100, but the PS104 was $99 or $89? Granted, if all you want is a hub, you can get a 4 port hub for cheaper, but if the print server is something you need anyway, the PS104 is cheaper than a hub *and* a print server. > I am told SPARCs can operate via their serial port, with no monitor, > keyboard, or mouse. How does this work? You need to have a Terminal. Now, you can try to get by with something that emulates a terminal, but you may have problems. For example, Microsoft's Terminal program doesn't properly send CTRL-BREAK (which you need to send instead of STOP-A), or it didn't the last time I tried to use it with a null modem cable from a PC. You can use a null modem cable from say another Sun, but realize, when you reboot the "master" Sun, the one that is using it for the console will drop down to the OK> prompt. Funny, how you can unplug the serial cable and be fine, but it you reboot, it stops the remote Sun. On a Sun, you can use "tip" or "cu" to get to the remote sun via the null modem cable (may need to mess with /etc/remote to add entries that you need). If you want to run this way, best to keep an eye out (say on e-bay or look at resellers, etc.) for terminals that are on sale. For what you pay for a terminal, you may be able to pick up a monitor, mouse and keyboard for close to the same price, and then you'll be able to do X-Windows (worth it IMHO). -- Garry Garrett http://monarch.papillion.ne.us/~ggarrett - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************