Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 09:31:51 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V11 #29 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Sun, 27 Sep 98 Volume 11 : Issue 29 Today's Topics: !!HELP!! Looking for power supply for Sun 4/470 Adding second disk to SS2 FS: SS1+ and IPCs IPX motherboard in IPC case? laptop as monitor? No Subject old sparcs & a 56k modem Operating systems for a sun 3/80 Solaris 2.6 on SS2 SS1+ console tty setup Suns-at-Home Digest V11 #28 (2 msgs) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com | | Requests: suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:29:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Subject: !!HELP!! Looking for power supply for Sun 4/470 To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Hi there, The TCJA foundation (www.tcja.nl) is in urgent need of a replacement power supply for it's Sun Sparcserver 4/470. Part# is 300-1047-05 They also live 3/470 machines. And on certain 'Option' boxes (says the FE handbook). As we are a cash-starved organisation I cannot really offer much in return. Who has anything destined for the dumpster and is within reasonable shipping distance from the Netherlands? Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 05:37:33 +1000 (EST) From: Craig Dewick Subject: Adding second disk to SS2 > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:59:58 -0400 > From: Brian Neal > Subject: Adding second disk to SS2 > To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > > Hello, I've got a 2GB seagate I'd like to use in my Sparc 2. I've mounted > it in the box > and, with some amount of creativity, I've got everything connected and in > place. My > problem is, however, getting it to work in Solaris 2.6. I'm new to SunOS, > but not UNIX. > I've formatted the disk and (I think) partitioned it, using the format > parameter. I was hoping > to be able to mount it by doing: > > mount /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 /mnt_point > > Unfortunately, this doesn't do it: > > mount: /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 is not this fstype > > I've also tried specifying the filesystem type, which I believe is "ufs". > Can anyone help > me out here? Did you reboot the machine with the '-r' option so the kernel reconfigured itself to create new device files, etc. for the additional disk? If you were able to format and partition the disk I guess you did already do it. You need to do this every time you change the hardware configuration of a machine running SunOS 5.x so that devices, etc. are properly set up. Regards, Craig. -- Craig Dewick. Send email to 'cdewick@lios.apana.org.au' Point a web browser at 'http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/sun_shack.html' to access my archive of Sun information and links to other places. For info about Sun Ripened Kernels, go to 'http://www.zeta.org.au/~craig/srk' - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:09:13 -0500 From: Jon Saulsgiver Subject: FS: SS1+ and IPCs To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Dwight, others on the list: I appologize if this isn't the place for this, but maybe some of you folks on the list could benefit. I picked up some surplus SparcStation 1+ and IPC systems cheap, and am making them available to tinkerers like myself. I'm not a dealer, and I'd really prefer that I don't have to ship the monitors. I have about a dozen of each: SS1+ or IPC systems 207 HD, with 2.5.1 or 2.6 installed for testing 24M RAM floppy type 4 keyboard, mouse, pad 16" color monitor, Sony Trinitron (GDM-1604) Video cable, audio dongle, serial cable, AC cords (piggyback w/IPCs) Desktop manuals (3, in box) Synoptics 10BaseT MAU All systems have been tested, fresh OS install, cleaned up, and all are in very good shape. I'll be selling the better, brighter monitors first. I have a couple of 15" color monitors, too, for $50 each. complete system: $145 buyer pays shipping call for individual prices. I will separate components, add or remove RAM, add a second 207M drive to a SS1+, etc. whatever people need or want. I'm in Rochester, NY... Jon Saulsgiver jms@eznet.net (716) 323-2543 home 230-6975 day - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr Subject: IPX motherboard in IPC case? To: Sun Managers list , Someone I know has given me a Sun SPARCstation IPX motherboard. I currently have a SPARcstation IPC, and got to thinking: AFAIK, the IPC and IPX use the same form-factor of case, so might it be possible to just take out my old IPC board and drop in the IPX one? Does anyone care to theorize whether this might work? Or, better yet, Has anyone actually done this? (or tried to do this?) Thanks! --- Donald Burr *NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!* | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ#16997506 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Becki Kain Subject: laptop as monitor? To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Hello All: has anyone set up a win 95 laptop to be a monitor (obviously temporary and serially) for a sparc? thanks beckers Becki Kain beckers@furph.com -- furph, Inc. WWW/Unix/Windows Solutions 734-513-7763 (voice) info@furph.com http://www.furph.com 734-513-7759 (FAX) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:29:40 +0200 From: Jonathan Thornburg Subject: No Subject To: "Suns-at-Home mailing list submissions" In a recent message to the Suns-at-Home mailing list, someone (I think pkhoury@loop.com) asked (about a SPARCbook) | with the free Solaris Sun is giving away, is 12MB of RAM okay for | small TC P/IP apps? I'm going to expand to 24MB soon. As several other people have already said, 12 MB is definitely *not* adequate for anything at all under Solaris. In a Suns-at-Home followup, DBell@mobile.bam.com suggested > If you are going to be running old hardware, > especially with limited RAM, I'd seriously consider Linux or OpenBSD, > as you'll get much better performance on the old machines. Another option is SunOS 4.1.[34]. [Earlier SunOS 4.* releases are no smaller and significantly less featureful; SunOS 3.* is a lot smaller, but also a lot less featureful. TANSTAAFL...] On a SPARC, I would rate 4.1.3 as excellent (and well ahead of Linux or OpenBSD, both of which have SPARC as only a minor platform) in maturity (freedom from major bugs), support for exotic devices, and general software/support availability on the net. Can anyone confirm that there is in fact a SunOS version which groks the SPARCbook? Memory is sort of like money -- you can never have too much ,=) . But having said that, SunOS is certainly a lot leaner (and faster on old hardware) than "Slowaris". I've used SunOS 4.1.3 on an SLC running MIT X11R5 with 12 MB, and I'd rate that as about the minimum configuration for reasonable use. (There there was a fair bit of paging in moving from one window to another, but so long as you stayed in one window, the system was responsive enough.) An otherwise-identical machine with 16 MB was much nicer (much less paging), and with 24 MB on an ELC I saw very little paging. In general, for 4.1.3 on a sun4c (any of SS1, SS2, IPC, IPX, SLC, ELC) with MIT X, I'd estimate the knee in the performance-vs-memory-size curve as somewhere between 12 and 16 megabytes. Some useful SunOS configuration things to do if you're short on memory (or indeed in any case) are: - Configure a custom kernel that omits support for devices you don't have. This will save anywhere from 1/2 to 1 megabyte of wired-down (i.e. can't be paged) memory. - If your screen is monochrome, make sure to use Xsunmono instead of Xsun -- this will save another 2/3 megabyte or so (this time pageable). - Dump OpenWindows or Motif, and use stock MIT X11R[56].*, which is a *lot* smaller/faster in both disk and memory footprints, not to mention much less buggy. -- -- Jonathan Thornburg Universität Wien / Institut für Theoretische Physik "When you find that your views match [those of] the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." -- Samuel L. Clemens, a.k.a. Mark Twain - ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:52:34 -0000 From: brendan@zen.org Subject: old sparcs & a 56k modem To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Hi! I was wondering if any of you folks found that using a 56k modem with an older sparcstation (with the serial port confined to 38k) actually gave you a fast enough connection? Did you notice the bottleneck between your machine and the modem, or was it noticably faster than, say, a 28.8 line? The machine I have is a sparc 1+. I have a vague memory of the sparc2 being the first with a serial port that can really handle faster speeds, but it might be wrong. (i.e., if I get a 56k modem will I be wasting my money, ya think?) Thanks! B - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:56:06 +1000 (EST) From: Thorne Lawler Subject: Operating systems for a sun 3/80 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Hi. I've got this sun 3/80 here with no particular video hardware. (this is ok: I own and use dumb terminals aplenty) I also have a job for this machine; I need a household server that can do the following: - TCP-IP routing including ip-masquerading, proxy arp and RouteD or an equivalent. - PPP over a 33.6K modem (Can the serial ports on a 3/80 *do* 56K?) - SAMBA for a print and file server. (Ideally, I'd need support for the b&w and color modes of my Canon BJ210sp) - can be configured by a non-guru: I have *some* *limited* experience with doing all this under linux. So far I have looked at SunOS and NetBSD and come to the following conclusions: - NetBSD isn't terribly ...um... finished. I could *probably* get Gated or Routed running under it, and possibly even Samba, but I'd almost certainly have to re-write some things to make it all go, and stability would still probably be an issue. Furthermore, NetBSD doesn't support the parallel port on the 3/80 yet, does it? - SunOS is a little insecure, and very obscure, and difficult to procure. :) If it was recommended to me sufficiently, I *might* use it, but I am reluctant to embark on what amounts to an entirely new OS, especially for something as fiddly as this. So, the point of this post is this: What do people recommend? Are there any other operating systems out there which I should consider, and how do I get one? Thanks in advance, Thorne Lawler -- Life will never have been the same again. Thorne Huw Lawler, BA/BSc V, Monash University thorin@zikzak.net or http://zikzak.net/~thorin Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne, Australia. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: David Herron Subject: Solaris 2.6 on SS2 To: Dwight McKay Solaris 2.6 on an SS2 is a recipe for molassas. I have a system I got many years ago. It is a Sun 3/80 case that, at the time, had an SS1+ motherboard. Then a year or so later I upgraded that with an SS2 motherboard. Then this month, after installing Solaris 2.6 and being appalled at the slowness, I saw an advertisement for an Axil motherboard that offers SS5 speed and fits in an SS2 case. I went for it and it works really well. Unfortunately it is a sun4m (not sun4c) and the different architecture meant reloading the OS. But it was worth it since the system is no longer molassas slow, just slow. (I got only a 70 MHz board, the 110 might have been better for speed, but the slower one was better on my pocketbook). Memoryx has 'em. David Herron - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:04:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Alan Fleming Subject: SS1+ console tty setup To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com I know this is going to be something simple that I've undoubtably overlooked but I'll risk looking like a fool and ask anyway. I've got a SS1+ running SunOS 4.1.3. The keyboard port died earlier this year so for the moment I'm using one of the serial ports for the console. I have the serial port wired via a null modem cable to an old 486 PeeCee running Windoze3.1 and I'm using the standard "Terminal" as the interface (it was available, cheap and quick to setup). The login prompt shows up fine but if I type anything, it acts like I've sent multiple CR/LF (two or three login prompts scroll across the screen). This has to be a standard sympthom of something wrong in either the terminal program or the ttytab file but I'm yet to figure it out. As a result, I can't log in on the SS1+ but can see all the normal console messages show up on the terminal program. Here is the appropriate line from /etc/ttytab: # new console # ttya "/usr/etc/getty p8.9600" vt100 on local unsecure Here is the appropriate line from /etc/gettytab: # n|p8.9600|9600-baud:\ :p8:-parity:sp#9600: The Windoze terminal program is set up: 9600, 8N1. I've tried the CF->CF/LF translation but neither setting has changed things. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Think Peace. - Alan (alanf@dorje.com) http://www.dorje.com:8080/~alanf KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J) RaceBike (FT500) DOD# 4210 PGP key available - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:24:14 +0100 From: Bob Hoekstra Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V11 #28 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com, Brian Neal Brian Neal wrote: > > Hello, I've got a 2GB seagate I'd like to use in my Sparc 2. I've mounted > it in the box > and, with some amount of creativity, I've got everything connected and in > place. My > problem is, however, getting it to work in Solaris 2.6. I'm new to SunOS, > but not UNIX. > I've formatted the disk and (I think) partitioned it, using the format > parameter. I was hoping > to be able to mount it by doing: > > mount /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 /mnt_point > > Unfortunately, this doesn't do it: > > mount: /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 is not this fstype > > I've also tried specifying the filesystem type, which I believe is "ufs". > Can anyone help > me out here? Let's see if I can. You don't say whether you actually made the filesystems (i.e. ran newfs or mkfs) on your partitions. If not, this is likely to be your problem. For each partition you defined (NOT slice 2 or any swap partition) run newfs /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s... and then try mounting. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GO/! d- s++:+ a+ C++(++++) US+++$ P+ L+ E--- W++ N++ w--- O- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP- t+ 5++ X+ R* tv+ b+ DI++ D G e(*) h++/-- r+++ y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ----------------------------------------------------- Bob Hoekstra: APL & Unix Consultant Tele: +44 (0)1483 771028 http://www.khamsin.demon.co.uk Home email: Bob.Hoekstra@khamsin.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:31:12 -0400 From: "Arthur J. Byrnes" Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V11 #28 To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:59:58 -0400 >From: Brian Neal >Subject: Adding second disk to SS2 >To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > >Hello, I've got a 2GB seagate I'd like to use in my Sparc 2. >I've mounted it in the box and, with some amount of creativity, >I've got everything connected and in place. My problem is, >however, getting it to work in Solaris 2.6. I'm new to SunOS, >but not UNIX. >I've formatted the disk and (I think) partitioned it, using >the format parameter. I was hoping to be able to mount it by >doing: mount /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 /mnt_point >Unfortunately, this doesn't do it: > mount: /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 is not this fstype It sounds like you skipped the newfs step. You need to run; newfs /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s0 with the "s0" changing for each partition. If you want to be sure that the partitions are correct before you run newfs, you can run format to check the partitions using these steps; format (displays the disks connected to your system) select the new disk (displays list of commands) partition (displays list of partition commands) print (displays partitions) >From here you examine the partition table. Even if you are only using one partition, you normally have at least two in the partition table. Partition 2 is the size of the entire disk. If you are using partition 0 as your only partition, it will be the same size as 2, so you can copy the parameters. Also you may have to do a "boot -r" on the next startup. Good Luck, Arthur Arthur J. Byrnes Disclaimer; These views are those only of the author, Arthur. http://www.ajb.com - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************