Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 15:44:19 EST From: Dwight McKay (The Moderator) Reply-To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #4 To: Suns-at-Home-List Suns-at-Home Digest Sun, 25 Jan 98 Volume 11 : Issue 4 Today's Topics: Addendum to my last post re: installing sunos4.1 on a 3/60 Figured it out... FS: Keyboards, mice, & misc items Install 4.1 to a 3/60. Micropolis 1558... RAM for Sparc 1+ and 2 ? Re. 32 MB SIMMs in IPx, and problem with Solaris PPP Serial/parallel SBUS card recommendation wanted Solaris- Legality? Solaris- Legality? (from Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #3) Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #3 (3 msgs) SX for SS10 termcap entry for IBM 3151 dumb terminal +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Submissions: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com | | Requests: suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com | | WWW Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:38:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kwoody Subject: Addendum to my last post re: installing sunos4.1 on a 3/60 To: SUNS-AT-HOME After hunting about on the sah archives more, I see that someonementioned about Standalone copy and standalone format. Well I forgot to mention that when booting I get Standalone copy then the From: prompt comes up. This is with SunOS v4.1 not any 4.1.x distribution. So it seems that I have a not very common distribution as everything I have seen is for 4.1.x. And it seems that the installing of 4.1 versus 4.1.x is alot different as all the stuff Ive read is just boot st() and it will be fine for 4.1.x. I have to *know* what exactly to specify at the From: To: prompts when intalling. So does anyone know about installing 4.1 in a Standalone copy and Standalone format? Thanks. kwoody@citytel.net - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: Kwoody Subject: Figured it out... To: SUNS-AT-HOME Dont know if my last post made it about getting the info I needed from sun but if it didnt I got the required info from Sun for booting/installing version 4.1 of SunOS from QIC-24 tape, which is differeent than 4.1.x Just a quick qustion: I went therough the install procedure for selecting packages etc and it started off, it got halfway through then bombed out with: /a/usr: unable to write: filesystem full. ctrl-c'ing back to the prompt I cd to a and find all of the old stuff still there. bits an pieces of an old CAD package, and a raft of other stuff that was left there by the company that I go tthese from. So obviously the install just went ahead and started installing right over the old stuff and just filled up the partition. I want to keep the partition info the same, so will a simple format blow away the partition info? What is the easiest way(if there is one) to delete all the old stuff and re-install a fresh copy of the OS without having to re-disklable/partition? Or am I way off here? Thanks for any info: kwoody@citytel.net - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian L. Brush" Subject: FS: Keyboards, mice, & misc items To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com Items for sale: Sun P/N Description ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 540-2757-01 Enterprise 3000 Auxiliary Fan Tray (Contains two fans; used to fill empty Power Cooling Module slot in E3000 chassis.) 1 new: US$40.00 1 used: US$30.00 595-2686-11 Type 5 USA Country Kit: 4 new in open boxes, 1 used in box (Contains Type 5c Unix keyboard, Type 5 opto-mechanical mouse, mouse pad, 2 power cables, and accessories.) 4 new in open boxes: US$100.00 1 used in box: US$ 75.00 (Only keyboard used; rest new.) 370-1170-01 Type 4 Optical Mouse with pad 5 used: US$30.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- All shipping charges (USPS, UPS, FedEx) to be paid by buyer. Respond by e-mail to brush@acomp.usf.edu. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: Kwoody Subject: Install 4.1 to a 3/60. To: SUNS-AT-HOME Ok, ive done a Bad Thing to my 3/60. After posting to this list before about booting from a sun 4.1 tape and compiling some info on said subject from other sources I finally bit the bullet after finding that netbooting my other sun resulted in less than satifactory results and not being able to create antoher file system to netboot a sun as some of the necessary parts were missing/not working. The short and sweet of it: halt/shutdown system. end up at the monitor prompt > Insert tape into drive, b st() I then get a Boot: prompt. From the replies I got here last time I was instructed to use b st(0,0,2 or 3) to boot and load miniroot. I use b st(0,0,2) and get a few numbers pop up eg: 5124+8124+85428 (something close to that though) then I get the prompt From: So I assume its asking me from what tape/file etc so I guess and enter: st(0,0,3) then I get the prompt: To: now is where I go brain dead. Well, I thin,k its going to *disk* so I enter sd(0,0,0) which is a Bad Thing as now I have just overwrote my disklable from what I gather. so now I am left with a disk that I no longer can boot from, all attempts to install/boot from tape give me the same thing except I cant get past the To: prompt. I have to STOP-L1 to break back to the monitor. In all my looking over SAH archives, FAQs, and various doc files culled from ftp sites I see that to boot from a sun tape use b st() and from what I gather it should boot/load the miniroot into swap/dump partition so you can config/format disk etc. Nowhere did I see anything in docs etc where it asks for From: To:. All I know is that at those points it wants a disk or tape device. But I do not know the correct syntax, or answers to those prompts. When trying to boot from sd() now it just says no lable trying to boot anyway then unknown device. So how badly have I mangled this? And is it recoverable? Meaning can I still format/install SunOS 4.1? If it has anything to do with it this box has Prom v3.01 but I do have antoher with prom v1.x. I'm gonna try it with that machine and see if I get different results till the next SAH goes out. thanks for any info on this. Keith Woodworth kwoody@citytel.net - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:01:19 -0800 (PST) From: Kwoody Subject: Micropolis 1558... To: SUNS-AT-HOME Dear SAH'ers You can pretty much disregard my last few posts to this digest/list as I was at the end of my rope and phoned Sun and a tech there was nice enough to give me the info I needed. He even faxed me it! Though even he seemed to be suprised by the fact that the install between v4.1 and 4.1.x had changed. I just have one question: I have the above drive and it was orginally partitioned like this: Start Blocks Size a 0 16275 7 b 31 39900 19 c 0 639450 d 107 21000 10 e 147 86100 44 f 311 24675 12 g 358 129150 66 h 604 286650 145 this is in Mbytes. I dont know the exact setup but I think it went something like this: a = / b = swap c = well whole disk of course d = /var e = /export/swap f = /home g = /export/root h = /usr Is this good enough? I would assume that /usr would need to be the biggest followed by the /export dir's as I have another sun to netboot. Though /var and /home seem to be kinda small. so is swap but this box has 12 meg (soon to be 16 as soon as I cannablilze another sun). And lastly I did try an install but I ran out of room, I got /a/usr file system full about half way through. All I did was save the partition table, sort of guess on what letter matched what partition then went for an install. Should I reformat? I did not do that. What is the order? Format then partition or partition then format then install? Wont formatting kill the partition? On another note I would like to put together some info specific to SunOS 4.1 as it is a different bird when it comes to booting off tape and installing from tape to an already partitioned/formatted drive. If possible I would like to submit it to SAH when it is done for checking before posting to the net in general? Though truthfully I dont really know if anyone would find it useful as its not out there now and it seems as if *very* few people acutally run v4.1 anyway. Well any info appreciated. Keith Woodworth kwoody@citytel.net - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:20:55 -0500 (EST) From: raub@kushana.aero.ufl.edu (Mauricio Tavares) Subject: RAM for Sparc 1+ and 2 ? To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:22:48 -0500 (EST) > From: Jason Lam > Subject: RAM for Sparc 1+ and 2 ? > To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > > Hello! > > I am wondering what kind of RAM does sparc 1+ and 2 uses? I heard that > its normal 30 pin Parity RAM. Is that true? How many RAM slots do they have? > Thais is accurate as far as I know. My 1+ has 16 30-pin SIMM slots and expects parity memory. > How many Megs of RAM would I need normally? Would 20 M be good enough to > run OpenBSD or Linux? > That is a good question. The usual opinion is the more the better. I have right now 16MB in my 1+ (kushana) running SunOS 4.1.4. It does get slow sometimes and I plan on finding some 4MB SIMMs. Question for the list: I talked once with kingston and they said the 1 and the 2 handle 16MB SIMMs. Is that true? -- ===========================+========================================== | Mauricio Tavares | "We will attack... | | raub@kushana.aero.ufl.edu | ...under the cover of daylight!" Rimmer | ===========================+========================================== - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:03:21 -0800 From: Dan Mahoney Subject: Re. 32 MB SIMMs in IPx, and problem with Solaris PPP To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com In Volume 11 Issue 3 someone asked if anyone had tried using 32 MB SIMMs in an IPX. I have done so, and it partially works. What happens is that the system sees the RAM, but only sees 16 MB of it. If you insert 2 32 MB SIMMs you will only get to use 32 MB total - major bummer! Now for my problem. I have seen a lot of good info available on setting up a SparcStation as a dial-out PPP client. Several people on this list provided answers to my previous about doing dynamic IP addressing as a client; thanks to you all. I have gotten my connect script working, and can Uutry into my ISP's system (actually, into two different ISP's systems) but I'm still not making a PPP connection. My asppp.cf file looks like this: >ifconfig ipdptp0 plumb 10.0.0.1 205.139.56.64 up > path > inactivity_timeout 300 > interface ipdptp0 > debug_level 9 > negotiate_address on > peer_system_name pacbell > # peer_system_name penet > ipcp_async_map 0 > lcp_mru 552 > default_route > #ifconfig ipdptp0 plumb 10.0.0.1 205.139.56.64 mtu 1500 private up and my asppp.log files shows the following: > sendthem (webbiz^M) > expect: (Password:) > webbiz^M^JPassword:got it > sendthem (mypassword^M) > expect: (MTU) > ^M^J Entering PPP Mode.^M^J IP address is 207.104.66.130^M^J MTUgot it > "" > sendthem (^M) > call cleanup(0)^M > 12:28:59 000245 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=5d LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:28:59 000246 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:28:59 000247 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets NB LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:02 000248 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=5e LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:03 000249 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:03 000250 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:05 000251 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=5f LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:07 000252 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:07 000253 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:08 000254 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=60 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:11 000255 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=61 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:11 000256 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:11 000257 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets NB LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:14 000258 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=62 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:15 000259 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:15 000260 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:17 000261 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=63 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:19 000262 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:19 000263 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:20 000264 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=64 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:23 000265 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=65 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:23 000266 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:23 000267 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets NB LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:26 000268 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 29 Octets LCP Config-Req ID=66 LEN=24 MRU=552 ACCM=00000000 MAG#=e8d3588a ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP > 12:29:27 000269 ipdptp0 RECEIVE PPP ASYNC 32 Octets NB LCP Config-Req ID=01 LEN=27 MRU=1524 ACCM=000a0000 ProtFCOMP AddrCCOMP {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:27 000270 ipdptp0 SEND PPP ASYNC 18 Octets LCP Config-REJ ID=01 LEN=13 {Unknown OPTION=13 l=9} 13 09 01 72 76 73 64 30 31 > 12:29:29 process_ppp_msg: PPP_ERROR_IND Maximum number of configure requests exceeded > 12:29:51 Link manager (751) exited 01/17/98 Can anyone suggest what I might be overlooking here? I will post a copy of my asppp.cf file and more detailed log files by Tuesday, 1/20 at: http://www.pe.net/~dmahoney/sun.html. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Dan Mahoney Riverside Press Enterprise dmahoney@pe.net - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 22:35:37 PST From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Serial/parallel SBUS card recommendation wanted To: matt@severian.chi.il.us > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:44:04 -0600 > From: Matt Crawford > > Greetings. I've found a couple of kinds serial/parallel port cards > by web searches and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend one over > another. I have an original SS-1 (one owner, high mileage!) with one > free SBUS slot (that nasty old double-wide GX takes up the rest) and > I'm getting tired of the really feeble throughput the on-board serial > ports can manage. Both my modem and printer are severely limited by > them. 2 Serial ports at 115 or 230 kb/s and a parallel port (my > printer can take parallel or serial input) would do me fine, as long > as I can use them under 4.1.3. A few years (and a couple of employers) ago, I had occasion to investigate parallel-port Sbus cards for an SS2 running 4.1.2 due to needing better throughput to a laser printer than a serial port would deliver. At that time I chose an Aurora parallel-only card, however they also made a parallel + 2 serial version. (It looked like the only difference would have been the addition of 2 small serial line driver chips, and a different back panel connector to carry the extra signals.) We had no problems whatsoever with it. I recall having decided against Andataco because they had only a 3S+P which was more costly -- there was no parallel-only option and we didn't need more serial ports. I also turned down CoSystems due to a shorter FIFO which seemed likely to cause more interrupt overhead, but they would have been the first (read: only) choice had we need a bidirectional parallel port. Of course, the manufacturers and product lineups today are probably different, and 4.1.x drivers may be hard to find. Another name to check would be Antares, whom I had not heard of then. (They may not have been in business.) [ to moderator: you may want to strip the rest ] BTW the following may help with the slot shortage: + From: msanders@shell.aros.net (Michael K. Sanders) + Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted + Subject: FS: cg6 frame buffer + Date: 18 Jan 1998 02:27:20 -0700 + + cg6 frame buffer, single sbus slot. + + Best offer. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson Subject: Solaris- Legality? To: Kostas Kritsilas Kostas Kritsilas writes: > 2. If licensing is required, has anybody used Linux-Sparc or NetBSD > Sparc, which get around the licensing issue, and also don't leave me > open to any legality hassles in the future? Any impressions on > either operating system, especially in comparison to Solaris 2.5/2.6 > would be welcome. I use NetBSD 1.3 on Sparcs and i386s in a production environment (I run an ISP), and I'm pretty darn happy with it. (Well, I should be; I'm also a NetBSD developer. :-)) It's definitely a commerical-quality system, and is certainly better than SunOS in terms of modern features and security. It's really the best choice if you have a strong preference for a BSD environment over a System V environment. cjs - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Subject: Solaris- Legality? (from Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #3) To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:33:01 -0600 > From: Kostas Kritsilas > Subject: Solaris- Legality? > To: suns-at-home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > > 2. If licensing is required, has anybody used Linux-Sparc or NetBSD > Sparc, which get around the licensing issue, and also don't leave me > open to any legality hassles in the future? Any impressions on > either operating system, especially in comparison to Solaris 2.5/2.6 > would be welcome. I would pick NetBSD/sparc (or if you really need an alternative then OpenBSD would be it). I would avoid Linux/sparc, esp. since it's far more experimental than it's i386 cousin, and just because it's Linux (networking has proven to be less than wonderful, VM & scheduler seem to break under load, etc.). NetBSD/sparc should be quite stable, esp. if you don't run it out of VM, etc. I'm going to try running the new 1.3 release on a couple of machines soon myself. I was quite happy with 1.1 on an IPC as an X11 workstation, but I haven't uesed it in a while... too busy running NetBSD on other platforms lately! ;-) SunOS-5 just gives me a headache, esp. every time I see the new patch list -- it might be fine for isolated use where you trust your users, etc., but it seems silly to have to worry that there might be yet another un-discovered hole in it, etc. if you put it on a network or have untrusted users. NetBSD/sparc should even run quite a bit of off-the-shelf commercial software. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:41:29 -0500 From: John DiMarco Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #3 To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com In message <199801181826.NAA02580@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Rachel Polanskis writes: >The SPARC 10 can support the SX framebuffer, which is a 24bit >VSIMM. Actually, that's not quite true; the SS10 came in two versions, a more common non-SX version, and a rare SX version (the SS10SX). It wasn't until the SS20 that the SX became standard (although many SS20s came without VSIMMS, so the onboard SX didn't work -- that's easily remedied, of course, by adding a VSIMM). >I've actually got an SS20 at home, so the setup of the SS10 might be a >bit different. Aha, that explains it. >I know all SS10's should have the SX expansion slot situated with >SIMM slot 0 and 2 on the motherboard. No, those expansion slots are for NVSIMMS. >If not, don't despair, it means you might have to get the SX adaptor >as well as the VSIMM. This connector occupies an SBUS slot (I think) >and then allows you to plug into the board and access the VSIMM. I don't remember there ever being an SBUS version of the SX -- if there was, it'd be rather slow. An 1152x900 (I forget -- does the SX do 1152x900 or 1280x1024?) screen in 24-bit colour is about 3MB of pixel data -- pushing that sort of data across the SBUS many times a second requires a lot of bandwidth. Even the low-end S24 frame buffer on the Sparc 5 doesn't use an SBUS slot (it uses a custom graphics slot on the SS5). Regards, John -- John DiMarco Office: SF2101 CSLab Systems Manager Phone: 416-978-5300 University of Toronto Fax: 416-978-1931 http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~jdd - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:01:52 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Leir EPS Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #3 To: Dwight McKay > I was reading the last issue's comments about IPX memory and I was > wondering if it was possible to put 32MB 72-pin SIMMs in an IPX and make > it work. Here is a page out of Sun's IPX installation guide: Total slot 0 slot 1 slot 2 slot 3 Memory u0310 u0309 u0308 u0307 -------------------------------------- 8mb 4mb - 4mb - 12mb 4mb 4mb 4mb - 16mb 4mb 4mb 4mb 4mb 16mb 16mb - - - 20mb 16mb - 4mb - 24mb 16mb 4mb 4mb - 28mb 16mb 4mb 4mb 4mb 32mb 16mb - 16mb - 36mb 16mb 16mb 4mb - 40mb 16mb 16mb 4mb 4mb 48mb 16mb 16mb 16mb - 52mb 16mb 16mb 16mb 4mb 64mb 16mb 16mb 16mb 16mb lots of options. hope i didn't make a typo. i don't think it can use 32mb simms, but i'm not certain. By the way, I am looking to buy an LX or SS10 for home use. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? cheers -- Rick Rick Leir rleir@igs.net http://www.igs.net/~rleir 613-828-8289 7951 Rocinante "Keep your head cool, your feet warm and you'll make the best doctor poor" - Hermann Boerhaave - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: James Lockwood Subject: Suns-at-Home Digest V10 #3 To: Dwight McKay > The SPARC 10 can support the SX framebuffer, which is a 24bit > VSIMM. No, it can't. The SS10SX (which is basically a Sparc 20 with a 40MHz mbus) can, but they are _extremely_ rare (probably fewer than 1 in 10 Sparc 10's). I've only ever seen one. > I've actually got an SS20 at home, so the setup of the SS10 might be a > bit different. > > I know all SS10's should have the SX expansion slot situated with > SIMM slot 0 and 2 on the motherboard. Nope. The SS10SX does indeed have a provision for VSIMMs, but the edge connectors next to the SIMM slots in a SS10 can only take NVSIMMs, used for NFS caching (ala PrestoServe). VSIMMs will not work in a SS10. Also, there are different VSIMMs specced out for the SS10SX and the SS20 (80ns and 60ns ratings). My guess is that a SS20 VSIMM will work in a SS10SX, but not the other way around (which is good, since I've never seen a SS10SX VSIMM). > Have a look on the back panel, and see if your has the full SX option - > there should be a 13W3 connector on the back. All SS10SX's came with the 13W3 connector on the back. No regular SS10's did. > If not, don't despair, it means you might have to get the SX adaptor > as well as the VSIMM. This connector occupies an SBUS slot (I think) > and then allows you to plug into the board and access the VSIMM. The SX adaptor doesn't actually plug into the sbus slot, it plugs into a connector on the motherboard and effectively blocks an sbus slot. The SS20 and SS10SX have these connectors, but in slightly different locations so there are actually 2 different cards. The SS10 has no provision for SX video at all, and it is impossible to add. Best bet for video on a SS10 is IMHO some form of cg6 if 8-bit will work, or an MGX+ if 24-bit is required. The MGX+'s are down into the $600 range now from resellers, so are fairly affordable. > someone mentioned a few months ago that the copies of Solaris 2.6 > that were being sold by TK Technologies for USD99 (desktop) and USD159 (server) > couldn't possibly come with RTU licenses. > > The copy of 2.6 I bought from there indeed came with the Binary RTU license, > so the software is very good value. > It also came with the standard licensing for all the 2.6 value added > products, like disksuite, PPP and Autoclient etc. Sigh. Ok, look carefully at your Binary Code License: ) 1. License to Use. Customer is granted a non-exclusive and ) non-transferable license ("License") for the use of the accompanying ) binary software in machine-readable form, together with accompanying ) documentation ("Software"), by the number of users and the class of ) computer hardware for which the corresponding fee has been paid. Unless TK Technologies has made special arrangements that I am not aware of, they cannot legally transfer the license to you. That having been said, I have heard from Sun non-officially that they are not watching out for individual violations of their licensing agreements. If you wanted to buy a number of licenses for a group of machines in a business environment, I would check the legal ground that they (TK) stand on very carefully. It would seem to be rocky, as Sun sells Solaris at the following rates: $75/ea for media-only Solaris/SPARC Desktop $100/ea for media-only Solaris/SPARC Server $375/ea for license-only Solaris/SPARC Desktop $2485/ea for license-only Solaris/SPARC Server, 4 CPU's or less This looks to me like TK is buying media-only kits from Sun and reselling them. I don't have a problem with that as long as they make clear that that's what they're selling. -James -- James D. Lockwood The Getty Information Institute System Administrator 1200 Getty Center Drive, Suite 300 james@gii.getty.edu Los Angeles, CA 90049-1680 - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:01:08 +0100 (MET) From: Toerless Eckert Subject: SX for SS10 To: Suns-at-Home@tigger.net-kitchen.com > The SPARC 10 can support the SX framebuffer, which is a 24bit > VSIMM. Well, i only know what's official: Whilst it may be true that you can plug a SX SIMM into a SS10, you cannot use it, because using the SX requires an improved MMSU on the motherboard which was only completed in the SS10/SX and the SS20, but not the native SS10. I personally think that it really won't work, because without this DRAM-controller functions, the SX would be as slow as TCX. > 3d (Open GL) is supported but is a bit slow for my tastes > (I Use an Ultra1 at work) but the 24bit graphics makes a really wonderful > system. Hmm, OpenGL might support SX in 1.1, dunno exactly. > Have a look on the back panel, and see if your has the full SX option - > there should be a 13W3 connector on the back. As far as i remember all SS10 do have this connector, but i am not sure. You can recognise a SS10/SX by the fact that it does not have the ISDN plugs anymore. > If not, don't despair, it means you might have to get the SX adaptor SX adapter ? What's that ? > as well as the VSIMM. This connector occupies an SBUS slot (I think) > and then allows you to plug into the board and access the VSIMM. Ah, that SX adapter is only for a *second* SX device in a SS10/SX or SS20, it doesn't help with the problem of the on-board MMU, and yes, it occupies an SBus slot. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua M. Free" Subject: termcap entry for IBM 3151 dumb terminal To: suns-at-home@tigger.net-kitchen.com Howdy, I'm using an IBM 3151 dumb terminal (without the vt220 addon card) as the console of a ss1 running SunOS 4.1.4. I haven't found a termcap entry that works completely correct with it (abnormalties with vi, elm, etc). I was wondering if anyone out there had a termcap entry that was written for or works well with the IBM 3151 dumb terminal. Thanks in advance, -- Joshua M. Free (jmf30) http://www.jlc.net/~josh/ - ------------------------------ End of Suns-at-Home Digest ******************************