From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Fri Jan 4 21:31:49 2008 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:31:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Free to good home: vid and ATM cards Message-ID: <200801042131.m04LVnT09761@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: "E. L. Evans V" " " " " One 525-1746-06 (FFB2+ ?) frame buffer " One ? frame buffer similar to above, has stereo-mini jack instead of " S-Vid style jack. " " (These frame buffers are not S-Bus, and are slightly outsize which may " interfere with adjacent cards.) a quick internet query suggests these are for the sunblade 1000. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From dmd@speakeasy.org Mon Jan 7 01:42:43 2008 From: dmd@speakeasy.org (Dave Dennis) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:42:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] USB drive in Sun Blade 100 / 150 Message-ID: List, Checked FAQ (only one found seemed to be 2000 and before), what I want to find is whether USB drives commonly available for PC and Mac will work / be able to format as UFS or a format Solaris 9 / 10 recognizes. Also if there are recommended USB hard drives / thumb drives for use with Sun Blades 100 / 150 . Thanks! Dave D From n2vip@verizon.net Mon Jan 7 04:17:19 2008 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:17:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] USB drive in Sun Blade 100 / 150 Message-ID: <21516896.3481741199679439663.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> >From: Dave Dennis >Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 07:42:43 CST >To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com >Subject: [Suns-at-Home] USB drive in Sun Blade 100 / 150 >List, > >Checked FAQ (only one found seemed to be 2000 and before), >what I want to find is whether USB drives commonly available for PC and Mac >will work / be able to format as UFS or a format Solaris 9 / 10 recognizes. >Also if there are recommended USB hard drives / thumb drives for use with >Sun Blades 100 / 150 . I've used a USB drive on a Sun Blade 1000, so I'd say "yes" for USB drives and thumb drives, but they are not bootable - data only. Ken From hcoomes@insightbb.com Mon Jan 7 05:46:50 2008 From: hcoomes@insightbb.com (Hugh Coomes) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:46:50 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] USB drive in Sun Blade 100 / 150 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4781BCCA.7000401@insightbb.com> Dave Dennis wrote: > List, > > Checked FAQ (only one found seemed to be 2000 and before), > what I want to find is whether USB drives commonly available for PC and Mac > will work / be able to format as UFS or a format Solaris 9 / 10 recognizes. > Also if there are recommended USB hard drives / thumb drives for use with > Sun Blades 100 / 150 . > > Thanks! > > Dave D > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > > I have used ATA drives in USB enclosures (specifically I/O Magic enclosures) on Ultra 60's and an Ultra 20. For the Ultra 60's I used a Belkin fsu 220 USB card, using Solaris 10 11/06. On the Ultra 20 I am running Solaris Express Developer Edition 9/07, on which support for USB drives is much better. In both cases ZFS was used. I have not formatted a USB drive for UFS but have no problem reading UFS file systems on USB disks. The I/O Magic boxes use a Prolific Technology ATA to USB interface and work quite well for ATA disks, and acceptably for a Plextor 750a DVD writer. Have no experience with commonly available "USB Drives", but I see no reason they would not work on Solaris 10. No experience with Solaris 9 either in this context, but support for USB drives is probably problematic at best on Solaris 9. Hugh Coomes From blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Jan 7 12:56:13 2008 From: blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com (Lewis, Ben (Ben)) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:56:13 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] USB drive in Sun Blade 100 / 150 In-Reply-To: <4781BCCA.7000401@insightbb.com> References: <4781BCCA.7000401@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E98011D0052@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> > what I want to find is whether USB drives commonly available for PC and Mac will work / be able to format as UFS or a format Solaris 9 / 10 recognizes. I got this working with an external USB drive from LaCie, the "Brick" which looks like a big Lego brick. It was with a generic PCI USB card in my Ultra 5. Best regards Ben From awouk@nilenet.com Mon Jan 7 18:32:58 2008 From: awouk@nilenet.com (Arthur Wouk) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:32:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] blade 100 memery to trade Message-ID: <20080107183258.6BAD21CC1D@mail.nilenet.com> owing to a lucky purchase i replaced my blade 100's ram with 2gig. i am left with one 128 mb stick and three 256mb sticks. i could sell them on ebay, but i would be more interested in trading them for other blade 100 stuff. i could use a quiet front fan assembly, or even a quiet fan. in addiiton i would be interested in pci cards - a scsi controller and internal/external cables and a sunpci II pro or sunpci III card and memory. From awouk@nilenet.com Mon Jan 7 18:41:20 2008 From: awouk@nilenet.com (Arthur Wouk) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:41:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] noisy balde 100 fans Message-ID: <20080107184120.3AA9C1CC1E@mail.nilenet.com> has anyone found a cure? i took my front fan assembly apart, and the needed fan is sealed - it is a delta 2X07A brushless dc fan. can't figure out how to do anything but replace it. found a replacement on the net for $4, but minimum purchase is $25. that also gets you free shipping i think. anyone else interested in splitting such an order with me? From benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net Tue Jan 8 13:07:13 2008 From: benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net (Ben Lewis) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:07:13 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] UNIX Blocks (no pun intended) In-Reply-To: <475D4864.2080009@gmail.com> References: <20071209170728.0318093B7@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <475D4864.2080009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Folks This image was used in a lot of AT&T publications related to UNIX :- http://www.bell-labs.com/history/unix/images/86-300838-EM.jpeg I have several early shell scripting guides from my time at Lucent featuring it on the cover. My daughter received an early christmas present this weekend and I couldn't resist stealing a few. Hope you like it :- http://www.ipcress.net/images/unix.jpg Best regards Ben From chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 12:24:12 2008 From: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:24:12 -0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Free to a Good Home (UK) Message-ID: Well, the "Good Home" needs to be within collectable distance of Manchester, UK, but the following items could be of interest to anyone who likes preserving and playing with ancient Sun equipment. 1. Original "dimple top" 19" B&W monitor (but, originating from a Sun 3/160 it at least has a stand). Vertical time base a trifle non-linear, but there is a second working time-base board that might be better. 2. Bwtwo sbus card for driving the above. (driver available for up to Solaris 9). 3. Spare dimple top monitor non-working (EHT transformer?) but good for spares. 4. Shoebox containing 140MB SCSI 5.5" disc plus QIC-24 tape drive, both working. 5. 2nd shoebox containing QIC-24 tape (needs new pinch roller, but I know where to obtain same) plus another 140MB disc that fails to run up to full speed. 6. Another QUIC-24 tape (also needs pinch roller) pulled from a rack-mounted (VME bus?) system. 7. A dozen or so QUIC-24 tape cartridges. 8. SPARCstation 1+; 28MB RAM, 400MB disc (I might be able to throw in a 1GB disc). Needs a new NVRAM (don't they all), but otherwise working. 9. Type 4 keyboard (Shift key needs cleaning, but otherwise OK) plus a selection of mice. 10. Original Apple Laserwriter plus (worked last time I tried it, but a bit iffy in hot weather); all of 512KB RAM. Don't know if cartridges are still available, but I expect the remanufacturers can still supply. 11. An assortment of cables for connecting all the above together. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net Fri Jan 11 21:05:44 2008 From: benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net (Ben Lewis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:05:44 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] USB drive in Sun Blade 100 / 150 In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E98011D0052@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <4781BCCA.7000401@insightbb.com> <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E98011D0052@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <84F53245-F2AB-41A1-90C1-E7CACF1ACFF0@belgacom.net> I forgot to mention that I wrote up some ideas for USB PCI cards a while back, for a bit more info please read here :- http://www.ipcress.net/blog/?p=8 Best regards Ben From donald.teed@gmail.com Tue Jan 15 16:56:33 2008 From: donald.teed@gmail.com (D G Teed) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] cooling disks on the sparcstation 20 Message-ID: At home, I've had an interest in running as little hardware power as is needed, and repurposing used equipment (as long as it is compact, quiet and cheap on power). I'm gonna share a simple discovery I made related to the Sparcstation 20. I have 2 9GB 10K disks in mine, and smartmon tools revealed the temperature was 47C in the bottom drive, and 57C in the top drive. The top position exceeded the maximum posted by Seagate. A little while ago, I bought a used Cisco switch to play around with. The fans in it were loud, and it was more CFM air movement than really needed for the light load on my home network. I replaced the stock fans with "Scythe Mini Kaze Ultra 40MM" fans available at NCIX. For that reason, I had some spare Fonsan 6500 RPM 40mm fans (cisco originals), which wonderfully line up with the holes in the sparcstation fan bracket between the cdrom and hard drives of the sparcstation. The fan bracket is normally secured to the inside of the sparcstation with a curved piece of metal like a tie clip, so this was a great find to see I could get the more powerful fan to fasten using that. The 2 pin Fonsan fan was connected to the 4 pin molex through a chain of 4 ->3->2 connector conversions (I don't like cutting wires). The fan bracket was attached to the ex-Cisco fan using the heavy duty tie wraps that come with kid's toys. I check the temperature an hour later and both drives have dropped about 10 degrees. The power of 2x60Mhz processors on that sparcstation does make one wait a couple of seconds longer when rendering xtide graphs or graph view pages from cacti, but it works fine. We probably don't remember this always, but we were accustomed to waiting a few seconds for computing tasks to complete in the past. I can get by with a 14 year old computer for my web server. I don't need to upgrade it to something having 6 times more power consumption. --Donald From donald.teed@gmail.com Tue Jan 15 17:02:17 2008 From: donald.teed@gmail.com (D G Teed) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Stopping the disks clicking Message-ID: Back in July 2007 "silvercreekvalley" was asking about a clicking sound every few seconds from his disks. I've seen this as well, and stopped it. Chances are this is some script kiddie trying to get into via ssh, and each login attempt is logged, then waits a few seconds and tries again. You can tail on secure or auth.log or whatever you have on your OS and watch that the click corresponds to this. The solutions are to either setup Denyhosts package or to move your ssh to listening on a non-default port. Both work very well and besides making the disks quiet, also improve your security. --Donald From chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 22:52:08 2008 From: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:52:08 -0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner Message-ID: I just bought a Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner on Ebay, for use on my Ultra-2. There are jumpers on the back for fixing the SCSI unit number (easy), plus two marked 'Parity' and 'Block' (also 'Terminate', which I presume should be out). So should those two be In or Out? Judging by my previous CD-ROM, I thought In for both, because that previous one had jumpers 'Parity' and 'Sector-Size', both of which needed to be in. But it worketh not so far, and it is too late at night to try all the permutations just now :-( . The Yamaha was manufactured in 1999, and I assume that in those days you had to jumper them for the Sun 512-block nonsense (or doesn't Solaris 10 care about that anymore?). -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Wed Jan 16 00:41:03 2008 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:41:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner Message-ID: <200801160041.m0G0f3x05718@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: "Charles Lindsey" " " I just bought a Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner on Ebay, for use on my Ultra-2. " " There are jumpers on the back for fixing the SCSI unit number (easy), plus " two marked 'Parity' and 'Block' (also 'Terminate', which I presume should " be out). " " So should those two be In or Out? Judging by my previous CD-ROM, I thought " In for both, because that previous one had jumpers 'Parity' and " 'Sector-Size', both of which needed to be in. But it worketh not so far, " and it is too late at night to try all the permutations just now :-( . " " The Yamaha was manufactured in 1999, and I assume that in those days you " had to jumper them for the Sun 512-block nonsense (or doesn't Solaris 10 " care about that anymore?). solaris has never cared about it. openboot 3 on ultrasparcs doesn't either. in both cases they just issue the proper mode command to switch blocksize. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Wed Jan 16 19:22:09 2008 From: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:22:09 -0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner In-Reply-To: <20080116170526.BF53393D2@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20080116170526.BF53393D2@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner " From: "Charles Lindsey" " " I just bought a Yamaha CRW 6416S CD burner on Ebay, for use on my Ultra-2. " " There are jumpers on the back for fixing the SCSI unit number (easy), plus " two marked 'Parity' and 'Block' (also 'Terminate', which I presume should " be out). " " So should those two be In or Out? Judging by my previous CD-ROM, I thought " In for both, because that previous one had jumpers 'Parity' and " 'Sector-Size', both of which needed to be in. But it worketh not so far, " and it is too late at night to try all the permutations just now . " " The Yamaha was manufactured in 1999, and I assume that in those days you " had to jumper them for the Sun 512-block nonsense (or doesn't Solaris 10 " care about that anymore?). solaris has never cared about it. openboot 3 on ultrasparcs doesn't either. in both cases they just issue the proper mode command to switch blocksize. Provided, of course, that the disc understands that mode command, which I gather some of the early ones didn't. However, it seems in this case the drive is set up OK. The problem turned out to be that it would read pressed discs fine, but it failed on all my burnt ones (bar one exception). Would trying to clean the innards help? I have yet to try burning a disc on it. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From cdewick@lios.apana.org.au Thu Jan 17 20:27:53 2008 From: cdewick@lios.apana.org.au (Craig Dewick) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:27:53 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] cooling disks on the sparcstation 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problems of overheating inside the SS5 and SS20 enclosure (same box - just a different system board, etc.) are I think one of the primary reasons why the Ultra 1's were designed with a larger enclosure. The two drive bays in the SS20 are very bad for cooling, and if you run with two SM71 processors (the max config Sun actually recommends) things can get quite hot. If you try running two SM81's (which will work, providing the OBP is a high enough version) that exceeds Sun's recommended ceilings for temperature rise inside the enclosure and with two drives fitted (particularly older ones which run hotter), there's very little forced airflow to keep the ambient temp inside the enclosure, esp. around the drive bays, down to a safe level. Regards, Craig. -- Post by Craig Dewick (tm). Web @ "http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick". Email 2 "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au". SunShack @ "http://www.sunshack.org" Galleries @ "http://www.sunshack.org/gallery2". Also lots of tech data, etc. Sun Microsystems webring at "http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=sunmicrosystemsu". From mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Thu Jan 17 23:00:48 2008 From: mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us (Mike Loewen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:00:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] cooling disks on the sparcstation 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Craig Dewick wrote: > The two drive bays in the SS20 are very bad for cooling, and if you run with > two SM71 processors (the max config Sun actually recommends) things can get > quite hot. If you try running two SM81's (which will work, providing the OBP > is a high enough version) that exceeds Sun's recommended ceilings for > temperature rise inside the enclosure and with two drives fitted > (particularly older ones which run hotter), there's very little forced > airflow to keep the ambient temp inside the enclosure, esp. around the drive > bays, down to a safe level. How about two SM151s and a single Seagate 9GB ST39102LC? I haven't run the it much since the upgrade, so I don't know how hot it will get. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/ From donald.teed@gmail.com Fri Jan 18 16:11:57 2008 From: donald.teed@gmail.com (D G Teed) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] cooling disks on the sparcstation 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Has anyone known or located the specs on BTU from the Ultra 1? I've searched for that and come up null. If it is leaner on coal then I'd probably switch to that, even though it is single CPU. I've monitored my drive temps on the SS20 over cacti (smartmon tool, shell script and snmp) and they remain within tolerance (under 40C for the bottom drive, and under 50C for the top drive). However this is at home, and it is winter in Canada. --Donald On Jan 17, 2008 4:27 PM, Craig Dewick wrote: > > The problems of overheating inside the SS5 and SS20 enclosure (same box - > just a different system board, etc.) are I think one of the primary > reasons why the Ultra 1's were designed with a larger enclosure. > > The two drive bays in the SS20 are very bad for cooling, and if you run > with two SM71 processors (the max config Sun actually recommends) things > can get quite hot. If you try running two SM81's (which will work, > providing the OBP is a high enough version) that exceeds Sun's recommended > ceilings for temperature rise inside the enclosure and with two drives > fitted (particularly older ones which run hotter), there's very little > forced airflow to keep the ambient temp inside the enclosure, esp. around > the drive bays, down to a safe level. > > Regards, > > Craig. > > -- > Post by Craig Dewick (tm). Web @ "http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick". > Email 2 "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au". SunShack @ "http://www.sunshack.org" > Galleries @ "http://www.sunshack.org/gallery2". Also lots of tech data, etc. > Sun Microsystems webring at "http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=sunmicrosystemsu". > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Sat Jan 19 04:56:15 2008 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:56:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] cooling disks on the sparcstation 20 Message-ID: <200801190456.m0J4uFB00511@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: "D G Teed" " " Has anyone known or located the specs on BTU from the Ultra 1? " I've searched for that and come up null. If it is leaner on coal " then I'd probably switch to that, even though it is single CPU. the aurora ps is rated at 150w, the u1 at 180 - higher but not a lot. i wouldn't be surprised if a u1/200e could give even a loaded hypersparc u20 a real run - 64b cpu, wide scsi... ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From donald.teed@gmail.com Sat Jan 26 14:19:21 2008 From: donald.teed@gmail.com (D G Teed) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? Message-ID: I have an Ultra 60 set up with what is probably the best configuration of hardware for using it as a desktop. 2GB RAM, Expert 3D Lite PCI video (VGA), dual 450 Mhz, and 2 10K 36GB drives. I have a Startech KVM which supports the mouse wheel on PS/2 fine in other operating systems than Solaris. The PS/2 also works pretty good in Solaris on my Ultra 60, except for the middle mouse button. I had hoped to use Solaris as the desktop and get the performance of the Expert 3D video, which isn't supported in Linux, NetBSD. But it seems XSUN doesn't support the PS/2 features like the wheel mouse nor even the second button mouse function of paste in X. I've looked at open solaris and variations, but I don't see any projects external to Sun, which work on sparc and support Expert 3D video. There is a developer release of Solaris Express, but it has a disadvantage of not being 100% compatible with blastwave add ons, and no patches from Sun, etc. It looks like I have to fall back on Elite 3D and open source OS if I want my PS/s mouse to behave normally. Does anyone have a suggested OS which behaves well with PS/2 mouse, at least to paste, and also Expert 3D PCI video for X support? --Donald From n2vip@verizon.net Sat Jan 26 19:03:26 2008 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:03:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? Message-ID: <8764156.3372941201374207243.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> >From: D G Teed >Date: 2008/01/26 Sat AM 08:19:21 CST >To: suns-at-home >Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? >I have an Ultra 60 set up with what is probably the best >configuration of hardware for using it as a desktop. > >2GB RAM, Expert 3D Lite PCI video (VGA), dual 450 Mhz, >and 2 10K 36GB drives. That is a fine setup... >I have a Startech KVM which supports the mouse wheel on PS/2 >fine in other operating systems than Solaris. The PS/2 >also works pretty good in Solaris on my Ultra 60, except >for the middle mouse button. I don't think the mouse wheel makes any difference to the KVM - most KVMs simply pass on to the selected computer whatever the mouse presents it with, AFAIK. >I had hoped to use Solaris as the desktop and get the >performance of the Expert 3D video, which isn't supported >in Linux, NetBSD. I think the cards are supported, but there is no performance benefit... >But it seems XSUN doesn't support the PS/2 features >like the wheel mouse nor even the second button mouse >function of paste in X. What are you using to modify the PS/2 KVM port to Sun keyboard/mouse interface on the U60? >I've looked at open solaris and variations, but I don't >see any projects external to Sun, which work on sparc >and support Expert 3D video. There is a developer >release of Solaris Express, but it has a disadvantage of not >being 100% compatible with blastwave add ons, >and no patches from Sun, etc. > >It looks like I have to fall back on Elite 3D and open source OS >if I want my PS/s mouse to behave normally. You must really like that mouse... >Does anyone have a suggested OS which behaves well with >PS/2 mouse, at least to paste, and also Expert 3D PCI video >for X support? Have you given any thought to looking for another mouse that is supported by Sun Solaris? This Logitech mouse is reported as supported by Solaris on SPARC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104178 Here is the HCL listing: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/2554.html Finally, have you taken a look at this fellows handiwork: http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/drivers/usb-usbsm.html It appears from a cursory review to support wheel mice on SPARC Solaris. Ken From arthur@ajb.com Sat Jan 26 19:08:17 2008 From: arthur@ajb.com (Arthur J. Byrnes) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:08:17 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? In-Reply-To: <20080126170516.2FA9793CE@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20080126170516.2FA9793CE@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <200801261908.m0QJ88EG028674@ajb.com> I use Solaris 10 and Gnome desktop, with a multi-button mouse, and it works great. Maybe its because I use Synergy as a virtual kvm with my windows machine. My discovery of Synergy http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ has made my multi-OS environment work a lot better. I can now copy and paste between machines, and as I mentioned, my mouse works as it should. Yes, I have 3 screens on my desk, but only one keyboard and mouse, with no buttons to push to change from machine to machine. I am not associated the Synergy folks, I am just a very satisfied user. Arthur At 12:05 PM 1/26/2008, "D G Teed" wrote: >I have an Ultra 60 set up with what is probably the best >configuration of hardware for using it as a desktop. >.... >But it seems XSUN doesn't support the PS/2 features >like the wheel mouse nor even the second button mouse >function of paste in X. > >--Donald ========================================= Arthur J. Byrnes Disclaimer; These views are those only of the author, Arthur. Be sure to visit my Web Site. http://www.ajb.com ========================================= From donald.teed@gmail.com Sun Jan 27 00:12:58 2008 From: donald.teed@gmail.com (D G Teed) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? In-Reply-To: <8764156.3372941201374207243.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> References: <8764156.3372941201374207243.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the responses... Robert Chase suggested x2x. Sounds neat. However I'm looking for console support, and one of the systems is Windows (for gaming and audio work). On 1/26/08, n2vip@verizon.net wrote: > I don't think the mouse wheel makes any difference to the KVM - most KVMs > simply pass on to the selected computer whatever the mouse presents it with, > AFAIK. Some Belkin models of KVM don't like the Intellimouse, so there is some way things can go wrong. My PS/2 Intellimouse works well on Solaris, except for the middle mouse functions. I've now discovered that middle click to paste does work, but only in CDE, and not in KDE from Blastwave. I'm not sure how I can fix that, but pasting is way more habitual than the scroll wheel feature. I don't know how I did this, but my Solaris 10 install left me without Java Desktop as an option to dtlogin and I'm also without the mozilla which Solaris normally installed. I've tried to catch up with Blastwave packages, but I've not installed Gnome. > I think the cards are supported, but there is no performance benefit... You mean that Elite 3D will work as well as Expert3D, say for watching youtube video? > What are you using to modify the PS/2 KVM port to Sun keyboard/mouse interface > on the U60? The Startech PS/2 to Sun convert or (SV125). It is pretty good - supports all of the special Sun keyboard sequences with alternate keyboard mappings. > You must really like that mouse... Not really, just don't want to throw money at the problems unless I really know it is needed and will help. I also have no room on my desk for extra mice and keyboards and monitor. > Have you given any thought to looking for another mouse that is supported by > Sun Solaris? > > This Logitech mouse is reported as supported by Solaris on SPARC: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104178 > > Here is the HCL listing: > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/2554.html > > Finally, have you taken a look at this fellows handiwork: > > http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/drivers/usb-usbsm.html > > It appears from a cursory review to support wheel mice on SPARC Solaris. That would make sense if this was supported via USB device, but this is Ultra 60, which does not have that device. I have PS/2 mouse and keyboard through emulation of the Sun mouse and keyboard. I guess at this point if I could figure out how to fix KDE to paste on middle button click I'd be happy. Does anyone have a recipe for that? --Donald From donald.teed@gmail.com Sun Jan 27 01:46:11 2008 From: donald.teed@gmail.com (D G Teed) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:46:11 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? In-Reply-To: References: <8764156.3372941201374207243.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On 1/26/08, D G Teed wrote: > I guess at this point if I could figure out how to fix KDE to paste on middle > button click I'd be happy. Does anyone have a recipe for that? I don't know why, but KDE has now started to paste with middle mouse button as CDE was earlier. There were a few Sun sourced patches applied yesterday (with pca) - one related to Xorg, but I thought the X-server I'm using was completely from Sun. Maybe it helped, or maybe there was something wacky with the KDE environment yesterday. Biggest issue possibly resolved. --Donald From Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk Sun Jan 27 17:10:47 2008 From: Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk (Bob Hoekstra) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:10:47 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? In-Reply-To: References: <8764156.3372941201374207243.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <479CBB17.50902@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk> D G Teed wrote: > Thanks for the responses... > > Robert Chase suggested x2x. Sounds neat. > However I'm looking for console support, and one > of the systems is Windows (for gaming and audio work). > > On 1/26/08, n2vip@verizon.net wrote: > > >> I don't think the mouse wheel makes any difference to the KVM - most KVMs >> simply pass on to the selected computer whatever the mouse presents it with, >> AFAIK. >> > > Some Belkin models of KVM don't like the Intellimouse, so there > is some way things can go wrong. My PS/2 Intellimouse works > well on Solaris, except for the middle mouse functions. > Just for what it's worth, a quick description of my current setup at home. In my office I have a Linux PC and an Ultra 5 connected to a Belkin KVM with a Logitech 3 button mouse (no wheel) and everything work perfectly. I run Windows under VMWare in Linux. Unfortunately my wife tends to hog the office. :-( In my garage (aka the data centre) I run Solaris, HP-UX, Irix, Linux and OpenBSD. There is a 100Mb network connecting all these machines and running to the office. A wireless net connects to my laptop, a 17" device with quite a lot of power (but not too highly portable) that I use most of the time. I have tried Linux and Solaris (10 and Open) on this box and have reluctantly gone back to Windows until more hardware drivers appear (or I junk it and buy a MacBook). The nice thing though is the installation of CygwinX, which gives me a pretty fully featured X server under Windows. I am very pleased with this: augmented by PuTTY, it gives me pretty much everything I need and I do not notice anything missing. Compared to commercial Windows-based X servers, this is far better, being faster, more lightweight and of course free. I tried this X server a few years back and it seemed a little flaky, but now it appears to be as stable as a rock. Of particular interest may be the fact that I usually switch off the track pad on the laptop and use a wheel mouse (also Logitech) and this works perfectly (paste on clicking the wheel, scroll on rotating the wheel). I realise this is a little off subject, but I thought someone might find it useful. :-) Bob From lists@groll.co.za Mon Jan 28 06:43:17 2008 From: lists@groll.co.za (Jonathan Groll) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:43:17 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra60 with Expert 3DLite and PS/2 mouse - best OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080128064317.GQ1191@groll.co.za> On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 10:19:21AM -0400, D G Teed wrote: > I have an Ultra 60 set up with what is probably the best > configuration of hardware for using it as a desktop. > > 2GB RAM, Expert 3D Lite PCI video (VGA), dual 450 Mhz, > and 2 10K 36GB drives. > > I have a Startech KVM which supports the mouse wheel on PS/2 > fine in other operating systems than Solaris. The PS/2 > also works pretty good in Solaris on my Ultra 60, except > for the middle mouse button. > > I had hoped to use Solaris as the desktop and get the > performance of the Expert 3D video, which isn't supported > in Linux, NetBSD. I use synergy (from pkgsrc, not blastwave) to control my U60 from the linux box (synergy server) that sits next to it. Middle mouse button and wheel scrolling work perfectly although there are the occasional cut and paste issues. The U60 runs opensolaris b70, for now, I suspect in the long run it'll run some sort of *bsd... Granted my U60 is not nearly as highly specced as yours (creator 3d); it is by no means a 'performace' machine :-( Cheers, Jonathan