From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Tue Jan 2 18:48:41 2007 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Quad Fast Ethernet on an IPX? Message-ID: <200701021848.l02Imf804732@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: "Darrick Burch" " " " Reading Sun's own manuals on this card, I noticed that this card is NOT " supported on the IPX. Perhaps this is why I'm having trouble? Is there a " reason why this card doesn't work on this machine? I was merely " curious... 'not supported' means sun didn't test the combo, probably because the ipx was eol before the qfe came out. " Is it possible to upgrade the OBP on this model? Like you, I was " suspecting that perhaps my version of OpenBoot had something to do with my " troubles. However, I was unable to get out of Sun's website what I needed " to know, particularly what the latest version of OpenBoot is for this " machine and what part number the replacement PROM would be. I'm assuming " that Sun wouldn't freely distribute the PROM code so that I could burn my " own. craig dewick - who just posted - had an archive of obp code at his site, www.sunshack.org. just looked and couldn't find it though. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From eric@xenrix.net Thu Jan 4 07:11:55 2007 From: eric@xenrix.net (Eric Rudolph Pizzani) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:11:55 +1100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 10 IDE Message-ID: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> Hey all, I was wondering, is there anyway, anyway at all of fixing the performance flaws of the Ultra 10's IDE? Failing that, how does one reflash a SCSI card so it can be used on a SPARC machine? I've got cards intended for an Alpha and for an x86 (Adaptec). I'm some what desperate to get this machine to the point where it'll actually fly. Many Thanks, Eric. From silvercreekvalley@yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 13:07:15 2007 From: silvercreekvalley@yahoo.com (silvercreekvalley) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:07:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ancient Artifacts Message-ID: <966034.12107.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm in the slow (very slow) process of restoring an old multibus Sun machine. Its going OK, the CPU boots up recognises the RAM and graphics card, etc. Need to hook up an old SCSI disk and tape next. Just wondered if anyone has any of the old manuals for the multibus cards. These used to hold a lot of useful info, much of which is no longer on the web. Particulaly info on the older graphics cards (cg1, bw1 etc). I'm aware of the exellent sun faq which has been a great help, and have found the CPU manuals on bitsavers etc. I also wondered if anyone had ever approached Sun with a view to getting the ancient versions of SunOS made available for hobby/collector use? NetBSD is great and it a truly amazing achievement to get it running on Sun 2 machines - but many of the old but fun multibus cards remain unsupported (eg the Sky Floating point card and the cg1). One interesting thing with the original Sun multibus color card, cg1, was that it was possible to have 3 cards in a multibus rack, each generating output for one color (RGB). A sort of SLI for the 1980's (just kidding). Anyone ever try that? Thanks Ian. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From oscar@nerdvana.no Sat Jan 6 15:22:38 2007 From: oscar@nerdvana.no (Oscar Endre Edvardsen) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:22:38 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 10 IDE In-Reply-To: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> References: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! This is my first message to this list, please be gentle :-) On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Eric Rudolph Pizzani wrote: > I was wondering, is there anyway, anyway at all of fixing the performance > flaws of the Ultra 10's IDE? Not as far as I know. But you might get slighly better performance ditching the original 5400 RPM disk and installing a faster IDE disc. It'll still be pretty slow, though. > Failing that, how does one reflash a SCSI card so it can be used on a SPARC > machine? I've got cards intended for an Alpha and for an x86 (Adaptec). > I'm some what desperate to get this machine to the point where it'll actually > fly. If you use BSD or Linux you could use just about any pci scsi card, and boot from IDE. But since you ask about sparc support I assume you need it to be recognized by the OBP. I know some third party scsi cards eighter come with, or can be flashed with OpenBoot instructions, like some symbios cards. Unfortunatly I don't which cards will work. I'm posting this message from an Ultra 5 with a scsi card, but I'm not sure which one. If you can't make any of your existing scsi cards work in your U10, you could always find a Sun branded scsi card on ebay. They're quite cheap these days. Oscar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (SunOS) iD8DBQFFn77Ct2OPs3UIXZERAv3rAKChuk711vBe60vDz2J1u3xAUECqCgCfe01N smzuMuhMtlaIIc57l3xtxDw= =dUsL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mj@turner.org.za Sat Jan 6 18:59:06 2007 From: mj@turner.org.za (Michael-John Turner) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:59:06 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 10 IDE In-Reply-To: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> References: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> Message-ID: <20070106185906.GB28856@katana.pimp.org.za> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 06:11:55PM +1100, Eric Rudolph Pizzani wrote: > I was wondering, is there anyway, anyway at all of fixing the > performance flaws of the Ultra 10's IDE? Not AFAIK, no - it's just plain broken. You may be able to get the PROM to boot from a PCI IDE card, but I've not tried it myself. The card would also have to be supported by whatever OS you're using - the open source OSes would certainly work, but I'm not sure about Solaris. See http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sparc64/faq.html#pci-cards for details. > Failing that, how does one reflash a SCSI card so it can be used on a > SPARC machine? I've got cards intended for an Alpha and for an x86 > (Adaptec). I've read various stories about a near mythical Adaptec 294x-based card with OpenBoot support, but I've not seen any confirmation from anyone who's ever got one working in a Sun (I think the card was designed for Mac systems). By far the easiest approach is to get a SCSI card with the Symbios/LSI Logic 875 chipset - it's supported by the PROM, so you'll be able to boot from it, etc. Any PCI card will do - OpenBoot contains support for the chipset and the PC BIOS is ignored. I have one such card in my Ultra 10 and it works like a charm with NetBSD. -mj -- Michael-John Turner | http://mjturner.net/ mj@turner.org.za | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ From jima@beer.tclug.org Sat Jan 6 22:24:13 2007 From: jima@beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:24:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Quad Fast Ethernet on an IPX? In-Reply-To: <62133.139.102.254.112.1167541072.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> References: <62133.139.102.254.112.1167541072.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Darrick Burch wrote: > I bought a Quad Fast Ethernet adapter (SBUS, of course) with the intent of > using it in a SPARCStation IPX that was given to me several years ago. It > appears that OpenBoot discovers the adapter, as does the Linux kernel I'm > using (the stock 2.2.20 kernel that came with Debian). > ... > > Reading Sun's own manuals on this card, I noticed that this card is NOT > supported on the IPX. Perhaps this is why I'm having trouble? Is there a > reason why this card doesn't work on this machine? I was merely > curious... This is reaching back a couple of years (since I actually attempted this), but as I recall, when I attempted to put a QFE in an SS4 (an also officially-unsupported platform for the card, but quite newer than the IPX), I ran into some...shall we say, system unhappiness. I forget if the unhappiness was more PROM-ish or (Linux) kernel-related, but the two did not get along. ISTR a QE working much better, though. The same QFE worked quite well in an Ultra 1 and Ultra 2, however (to rule out bad hardware). Jima From m_thompson@ids.net Sat Jan 6 23:39:42 2007 From: m_thompson@ids.net (M Thompson) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:39:42 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Ancient Artifacts In-Reply-To: <20070106170505.2F1A893C4@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070106170505.2F1A893C4@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070106183254.01f15a20@ids.net> If you have a 501-1006 SCSI/Serial board connecting a SCSI disk is easy. The 2/120 originally shipped with MFM or ESDI disks that were connected to the SCSI controller by an adapter board. If you don't have a SCSI board it might be easier to find a Xylogicxs 450 or 451 controller and some SMD disks. >I'm in the slow (very slow) process of restoring an old multibus Sun >machine. Its going OK, the CPU boots up recognises the RAM and graphics >card, etc. Need to hook up an old SCSI disk and tape next. > >Thanks > >Ian. Michael Thompson From magnus@yonderway.com Sun Jan 7 01:00:56 2007 From: magnus@yonderway.com (Magnus) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:00:56 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 10 IDE In-Reply-To: References: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> Message-ID: <45A04648.7050907@yonderway.com> Oscar Endre Edvardsen wrote: > Not as far as I know. But you might get slighly better performance > ditching the original 5400 RPM disk and installing a faster IDE disc. > It'll still be pretty slow, though. The best performance I've been able to get out of the Ultra 5 / Ultra 10 IDE controller is a pitiful 5 to 6 MB/sec on direct disk reads. It's quite shameful. > If you use BSD or Linux you could use just about any pci scsi card, and > boot from IDE. But since you ask about sparc support I assume you need > it to be recognized by the OBP. I know some third party scsi cards > eighter come with, or can be flashed with OpenBoot instructions, like > some symbios cards. Unfortunatly I don't which cards will work. Symbios SYM22801 will get you Wide UltraSCSI, which is spec'd at 40MB/sec and real world I get pretty darned close to that with fast Ultra320 drives. Huge improvement over the on-board IDE, and you can boot off it directly. > I'm posting this message from an Ultra 5 with a scsi card, but I'm not > sure which one. If you can't make any of your existing scsi cards work > in your U10, you could always find a Sun branded scsi card on ebay. > They're quite cheap these days. The caveat is that Wide UltraSCSI cards are cheap. If you want to move to a more modern standard like Ultra320, prepare to shell out a lot of dough. That's the situation that I'm in now; rich on Ultra320 drives, but poor on controllers. From Mark@Misty.com Sun Jan 7 02:31:45 2007 From: Mark@Misty.com (Mark G. Thomas) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:31:45 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070107023145.GA14081@lucky.misty.com> Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 09:27:18PM +0100, Ben Lewis wrote: > Hello Folks > > I managed to obtain an Enterprise 3500 this week. Quite by chance I > passed the lab at work and noticed that this machine was in the ... > It has 4Gb of RAM, 5 x 18Gb disks and six processors. Massive > overkill for a home machine but it's fun to run even if it's much too > noisy to leave running over night. If only I had a basement. The good Here are some notes about the E3500, based on my experiences. I use one for my home/personal fileserver/mailserver. Mine has both an S-Bus and a PCI I/O board, with gigabit ethernet in a PCI slot. - Old system boards have round heatsinks threaded onto chip brackets that break. New system boards have square heatsinks, using thermal epoxy to hold them. If you have round threaded heatsinks, make sure none are broken, and consider either finding newer system boards or using special thermal epoxy to fix them. - A damaged connector on a CPU, IO, or clock board can break pins on the backplane. Be very careful when you insert boards, and inspect any new boards you receive carefully before insertion. Replacing that backplane due to broken pins is a big project. - Consider using just one system board with two processors if you want to save on electricity and heat generation. - Make sure you have the newest firmware on all the boards, Sun patch 103346-30 Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (Mark@Misty.com) voice: 215-591-3695 http://www.misty.com/ http://mail-cleaner.com/ From benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net Sun Jan 7 17:13:28 2007 From: benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net (Ben Lewis) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:13:28 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 10 IDE In-Reply-To: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> References: <6DDE60A2-E927-4482-816F-8F49C3C4B0D5@xenrix.net> Message-ID: > I've got cards intended for an Alpha and for an x86 (Adaptec). Hello Eric Have you have a look at the chipset on the cards? I've got an PCI SCSI card with an Adaptec* chipset which came out of a HP Kayak PC and this works fine in an Ultra 5. I would give it a try and see if they work. Best regards Ben *Not 100% sure on this without opening the case. From silvercreekvalley@yahoo.com Mon Jan 8 15:25:26 2007 From: silvercreekvalley@yahoo.com (silvercreekvalley) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] RE: Ancient Artifacts Message-ID: <53893.20783.qm@web56208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > If you have a 501-1006 SCSI/Serial board connecting a SCSI disk is > easy. The 2/120 originally shipped with MFM or ESDI disks that were > connected to the SCSI controller by an adapter board. If you don't > have a SCSI board it might be easier to find a Xylogicxs 450 or 451 > controller and some SMD disks. I've got the 501-1006 and a couple of vintage drives which seem to work fine. Just finding time to get it all going is the main issue :) I Could also do with a manual for the old monocrhrome monitor (eg the one that came with very early Sun's (Sun-1 / 2 vintage). I want to check as much out on the monitor that I can before Doing a power on. Ian. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jima@beer.tclug.org Mon Jan 8 19:20:28 2007 From: jima@beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:20:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! Message-ID: With apologies (in advance) to our own Ben Lewis. ;) A discussion in #aurora a few weeks ago about people doing case mods (and such) on SPARC systems became a bit of a running joke. Today I was trying to think of content to add to the Aurora wiki when I finally thought of what to put up. It's kind of relevant here, so I thought I'd share. http://wiki.auroralinux.net/wiki/PimpYourSPARC Yes, Ben, I know you had an excuse -- you had a store credit to burn up. Feel free to point out mods I've overlooked. :) Jima From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Mon Jan 8 21:45:39 2007 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:45:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Quad Fast Ethernet on an IPX? Message-ID: <200701082145.l08LjdM26252@an.bradford.ma.us> derrick burch and anyone else -- " " From: "Darrick Burch" " " " " Is it possible to upgrade the OBP on this model? Like you, I was " " suspecting that perhaps my version of OpenBoot had something to do with my " " troubles. However, I was unable to get out of Sun's website what I needed " " to know, particularly what the latest version of OpenBoot is for this " " machine and what part number the replacement PROM would be. I'm assuming " " that Sun wouldn't freely distribute the PROM code so that I could burn my " " own. " " craig dewick - who just posted - had an archive of obp code at his " site, www.sunshack.org. just looked and couldn't find it though. i finally tripped over the arch, at http://www.sunshack.org/data/bootroms.html ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From eric@xenrix.net Tue Jan 9 00:52:50 2007 From: eric@xenrix.net (eric@xenrix.net) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! Message-ID: <380-2200712905250278@M2W032.mail2web.com> Oh Common, there has to be more mods that one can do to an old sparc=2E No= w I'm started, not only do I want to see more, I want to pull out one of those old SparcStations and start pimping the crap out of it=2E Anyone hav= e any suggestions=3F (maybe I can paint it black, I do have a copy of NextSt= ep 3=2E3 for SPARC) To summerise, what other ways can one with too much time pimp out their sparc=3F Original Message: ----------------- From: Jima jima@beer=2Etclug=2Eorg Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:20:28 -0600 (CST) To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen=2Ecom Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! With apologies (in advance) to our own Ben Lewis=2E ;) A discussion in #aurora a few weeks ago about people doing case mods (an= d=20 such) on SPARC systems became a bit of a running joke=2E Today I was tryi= ng=20 to think of content to add to the Aurora wiki when I finally thought of=20= what to put up=2E It's kind of relevant here, so I thought I'd share=2E http://wiki=2Eauroralinux=2Enet/wiki/PimpYourSPARC Yes, Ben, I know you had an excuse -- you had a store credit to burn up=2E= Feel free to point out mods I've overlooked=2E :) Jima =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Suns-at-Home mailing list Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen=2Ecom http://www=2Enet-kitchen=2Ecom/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From darrick@tuffmail.com Tue Jan 9 03:51:26 2007 From: darrick@tuffmail.com (Darrick Burch) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:51:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Quad Fast Ethernet on an IPX? In-Reply-To: References: <62133.139.102.254.112.1167541072.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> Message-ID: <57551.74.135.185.252.1168314686.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> > This is reaching back a couple of years (since I actually attempted > this), but as I recall, when I attempted to put a QFE in an SS4 (an also officially-unsupported platform for the card, but quite newer than the IPX), I ran into some...shall we say, system unhappiness. I forget if the > unhappiness was more PROM-ish or (Linux) kernel-related, but the two did not get along. ISTR a QE working much better, though. > The same QFE worked quite well in an Ultra 1 and Ultra 2, however (to > rule out bad hardware). > > Jima Update: I was able to locate and download the 2.9 OBP for this IPX. It seemed like a good enough idea since I was still running 2.4. It doesn't solve my qfe problem, but at least it has cut the RAM test time to less than half of what it was before. I'd say that was worth hanging around after work for an hour to use the eraser and burner! :) It appears that I'm having trouble with this card in BOTH OpenBoot and in Linux. In both environments, the card and all four interfaces are detected, but I can't seem to go much further than that. Anyway, as suggested by someone earlier, it might help to post some more info. Here goes... My banner screen shows PROM version 2.4 as shown here: SPARCstation IPX, No Keyboard ROM Rev. 2.9, 32 MB memory installed, Serial #12648430. Ethernet address 8:0:20:c0:ff:ee, Host ID: 57c0ffee. If the MAC address seems familiar, it's because I had to replace the NVRAM. Who hasn't had to do that on a machine this age? :) As you can see, my card is detected by OpenBoot: SBus slot 0 le esp dma SBus slot 1 SUNW,qfe SUNW,qfe SUNW,qfe SUNW,qfe SBus slot 2 SBus slot 3 cgsix When I try to test and/or boot any of the four interfaces, however: ok test /sbus/SUNW,qfe@1,8c00000 Cannot reset Ethernet channel! Cannot reset Ethernet channel! Exiting further tests /sbus/SUNW,qfe@1,8c00000 selftest failed. Return code = -1 Linux sees and loads kernel support for the card, as seen in my kernel messages: eth0: Quattro HME slot 0 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:79 happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> eth1: Quattro HME slot 1 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:7a happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> eth2: Quattro HME slot 2 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:7b happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> eth3: Quattro HME slot 3 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:7c happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> I try to bring up any of the four interfaces manually, and can't get anywhere... bga:~# ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.0.10 2 netmask 255.255.255.0 <3>happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.SIOCSIFFL<3>happy meal: Fry guys.AG<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.S: Resource temporarily unavailable SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable bga:~# Maybe it's time to admit defeat and try NetBSD (which someone said will work with this card on an IPX) or see about getting a qe card; I don't think this thing is going to do anything at 100Mbps anyway. :) Thanks, all, for the suggestions. If anyone happens to have seen this before... From lamune@doki-doki.net Tue Jan 9 14:09:47 2007 From: lamune@doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:09:47 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 36GB Sun FCAL disks available Message-ID: <45A3A22B.1090104@doki-doki.net> I've got a set of 12 1" high 36GB Sun disks in SPUD brackets I'm probably never going to use. They're good for V880's, A5000, etc. If anyone's interested, drop me a line. They're located in New Jersey. -Mike From n2vip@verizon.net Tue Jan 9 14:45:16 2007 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:45:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! Message-ID: <22491901.4497261168353916413.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> >From: "eric@xenrix.net" >Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 06:52:50 CST >To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com >Subject: RE: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! >Oh Common, there has to be more mods that one can do to an old sparc. Now >I'm started, not only do I want to see more, I want to pull out one of >those old SparcStations and start pimping the crap out of it. Anyone have >any suggestions? (maybe I can paint it black, I do have a copy of NextStep >3.3 for SPARC) > >To summerise, what other ways can one with too much time pimp out their >sparc? Put a window in the top of the Ultra 1, to see when the CPU fan fails? Painting flames/skulls on the case might impress some - but the system I get tend to require extensive cleaning, either simple blasts of air on the inside to clear out the dust bunnies, or big efforts to clear off older asset tags & clean out scrapes on the case... Ken From straxus@gmail.com Tue Jan 9 15:32:29 2007 From: straxus@gmail.com (Straxus) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:32:29 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: <380-2200712905250278@M2W032.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200712905250278@M2W032.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Well, They are often referred to as pizza-box form factor, right? What about painting it like a pizza box, putting a glass window on the top and/or side, and actually having a piece of pizza (preferably not *real* pizza :) ) inside of the casing? Oh, and neon lights, flourescing cables, glowing fan, yadda yadda yadda. -=Straxus=- On 1/8/07, eric@xenrix.net wrote: > Oh Common, there has to be more mods that one can do to an old sparc. Now > I'm started, not only do I want to see more, I want to pull out one of > those old SparcStations and start pimping the crap out of it. Anyone have > any suggestions? (maybe I can paint it black, I do have a copy of NextStep > 3.3 for SPARC) > > To summerise, what other ways can one with too much time pimp out their > sparc? > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jima jima@beer.tclug.org > Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:20:28 -0600 (CST) > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! > > > With apologies (in advance) to our own Ben Lewis. ;) > A discussion in #aurora a few weeks ago about people doing case mods (and > such) on SPARC systems became a bit of a running joke. Today I was trying > to think of content to add to the Aurora wiki when I finally thought of > what to put up. It's kind of relevant here, so I thought I'd share. > > http://wiki.auroralinux.net/wiki/PimpYourSPARC > > Yes, Ben, I know you had an excuse -- you had a store credit to burn up. > Feel free to point out mods I've overlooked. :) > > Jima From magnus@yonderway.com Tue Jan 9 15:45:18 2007 From: magnus@yonderway.com (Magnus) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: <380-2200712905250278@M2W032.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200712905250278@M2W032.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <45A3B88E.3050807@yonderway.com> eric@xenrix.net wrote: > To summerise, what other ways can one with too much time pimp out their > sparc? Trying to imply a machine is fast with neon lights, flame jobs, glowing skulls, etc. is not going to fool anyone into thinking these machines are fast. We're fans of slow machines, and we should embrace that by evoking the visage of shambling zombie hordes. This is probably best accomplished by riveting hunks of meat onto the side of the case and take a more organic approach to case modding. Within 2 or 3 days you should have a pretty clear indication that the zombie motif is working. Inside of a week the neighbors will be asking if you're keeping a dead cat in your home. Are we not, after all, keepers of the undead? Caregivers to the carcasses that IT managers of old have long since given up for deceased? From rjw@alembic.com Tue Jan 9 17:48:53 2007 From: rjw@alembic.com (Ron Wickersham) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:48:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Quad Fast Ethernet on an IPX? In-Reply-To: <57551.74.135.185.252.1168314686.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> References: <62133.139.102.254.112.1167541072.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> <57551.74.135.185.252.1168314686.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Darrick Burch wrote: ---snip--- > It appears that I'm having trouble with this card in BOTH OpenBoot and in > Linux. In both environments, the card and all four interfaces are > detected, but I can't seem to go much further than that. Anyway, as > suggested by someone earlier, it might help to post some more info. Here > goes... > > My banner screen shows PROM version 2.4 as shown here: > > SPARCstation IPX, No Keyboard > ROM Rev. 2.9, 32 MB memory installed, Serial #12648430. > Ethernet address 8:0:20:c0:ff:ee, Host ID: 57c0ffee. > > If the MAC address seems familiar, it's because I had to replace the > NVRAM. Who hasn't had to do that on a machine this age? :) > > As you can see, my card is detected by OpenBoot: > > SBus slot 0 le esp dma > SBus slot 1 SUNW,qfe SUNW,qfe SUNW,qfe SUNW,qfe > SBus slot 2 > SBus slot 3 cgsix the first interface is in slot 0 the le interface (this one is just has the tranceiver connector with the sliding plate...not twisted pair rj-45 connector on this model, and the le is a 10 mb/s only interface. i think it's called the lance ethernet). the second interface is in slot 1 and is the first qfe interface. > When I try to test and/or boot any of the four interfaces, however: > > ok test /sbus/SUNW,qfe@1,8c00000 > Cannot reset Ethernet channel! > Cannot reset Ethernet channel! > Exiting further tests > > /sbus/SUNW,qfe@1,8c00000 selftest failed. Return code = -1 i'm way out of my understanding here, but wonder if the SUNW is wanted here. i think you'll see a representative call if you enter test net at the ok prompt or more certain if you type boot net at ok. > Linux sees and loads kernel support for the card, as seen in my kernel > messages: > > eth0: Quattro HME slot 0 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:79 > happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> > eth1: Quattro HME slot 1 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:7a > happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> > eth2: Quattro HME slot 2 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:7b > happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> > eth3: Quattro HME slot 3 (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:d0:9c:7c > happy meal: Fry guys.<3>happy meal: Transceiver and a coke please.<6> here again the expected behavior is that eth0 is the le tranceiver and the four qfe interfaces should be eth1, eth2 eth3, and eth4 if you take the qfe card out, do you see eth0 reported as the internal le interface? -ron From angusf@mac.com Tue Jan 9 19:15:45 2007 From: angusf@mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:15:45 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: <45A3B88E.3050807@yonderway.com> References: <380-2200712905250278@M2W032.mail2web.com> <45A3B88E.3050807@yonderway.com> Message-ID: <45A3E9E1.5080207@mac.com> Something with old fashioned valves would be more in line with my taste. Angus U10/440/E3D M6/1GB/120GB IDE/Adaptec SCSI DDS-3/SunPci IIi 700 Sol10/XPSP2 - inwardly pimped out via ebay already - QFE pci is about all Ive got left :-) From krook@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 10 00:26:23 2007 From: krook@us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: <45A3B88E.3050807@yonderway.com> Message-ID: > To summerise, what other ways can one with too much time > pimp out their sparc? What a great thread. :) I thought my abandoned E450s were already living the life as barstools in my friend's basement-turned-nightclub. Now I'm thinking fishtank or speaker upgrade... http://krook.net/img/e450s-at-play.jpg Daniel Krook Content Tools Developer - SCSA, SCJP, SCWCD, ZCE Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Wed Jan 10 05:18:01 2007 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:18:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! Message-ID: <200701100518.l0A5I1c08432@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: Angus Fox " " Something with old fashioned valves would be more in line with my taste. hollow state devices! talk about your space heater... and where would you find a basement big enough for an eniac -- unless you grabbed one of those $1 nebraska missile silos... ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Jan 10 05:48:48 2007 From: blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:48:48 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: <45A3E9E1.5080207@mac.com> Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EDF69@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> > inwardly pimped out via ebay already - QFE pci is about all Ive got left :-) Hi Angus Your comment made me think about the "Q-Car" effect a petrol-head friend of mine is always talking about. Making the car as fast and as manueverable as possible without changing its external appearance. The more outwardly boring the car appears the better. I think they were named after the "Q-Ship" fishing trawlers which were heavily armed in the first world war for anti-uboat duties. Best regards Ben From blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Jan 10 05:52:37 2007 From: blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:52:37 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <20070107023145.GA14081@lucky.misty.com> Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EDF6A@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> > Here are some notes about the E3500, based on my experiences. =20 Hello Mark Many thanks for the sound advice. Would you happen to know of a decent s-bus frame buffer which will fit in the E3500? Mine has the standard CGSix and it's rather frustrating to finally have enough power to use the Java Desktop but to only have it rendered in wonderful 8bit fuzz-o-vision. Best regards Ben From n2vip@verizon.net Wed Jan 10 14:35:29 2007 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:35:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 Message-ID: <1054097.1566321168439731085.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> >From: "Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)" >Date: 2007/01/09 Tue PM 11:52:37 CST >To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com >Subject: RE: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 >> Here are some notes about the E3500, based on my experiences. > >Hello Mark > >Many thanks for the sound advice. > >Would you happen to know of a decent s-bus frame buffer which will fit >in the E3500? > >Mine has the standard CGSix and it's rather frustrating to finally have >enough power to use the Java Desktop but to only have it rendered in >wonderful 8bit fuzz-o-vision. There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render greater than 256 colors, AFAIK (there may have been some that used multiple SBUS slots and offered greater color depth, but they are rare and slow, as I recall)... The E3500 is not a desktop/workstation machine, if you really want to run Java Desktop you should get a workstation, like the U2/10/30/60/80 (and others) that can accomodate UPA framebuffers and a Gig or more of RAM... You could use XDM to run a session on another device with greater color depth. HTH, Ken From angusf@mac.com Wed Jan 10 16:02:11 2007 From: angusf@mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:02:11 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EDF69@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EDF69@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <45A50E03.10009@mac.com> Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: >> inwardly pimped out via ebay already - QFE pci is about all Ive got > left :-) > > Hi Angus > > Your comment made me think about the "Q-Car" effect a petrol-head friend > of mine is always talking about. My U10 isnt much from the outside its true. But I love it, and its been up for 127 days in my garage patiently recieving nightly backups of my other computers since its last reboot/power failure. I quite like the idea of addmin some neon but its in a garage anyway so I dont really want it to be too visible from outside. My valve comment comes from http://www.methe-family.de/cd.htm where they believe an original PS 1 with a specific chipset is the basis for the best audiophile CD player when valves are added.... Angus From andre@purplecow.org Wed Jan 10 16:10:44 2007 From: andre@purplecow.org (Andre van Eyssen) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:10:44 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EDF6A@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EDF6A@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > Mine has the standard CGSix and it's rather frustrating to finally have > enough power to use the Java Desktop but to only have it rendered in > wonderful 8bit fuzz-o-vision. Get the right I/O board and use a Creator3D - not the fastest framebuffer in history but at least 24bit with decent resolution. -- Andre van Eyssen. "the only value you can add to a banana is a bruise" -- McNealy. From blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Jan 10 21:45:20 2007 From: blewis3@alcatel-lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:45:20 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <1054097.1566321168439731085.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EE2A5@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> >The E3500 is not a desktop/workstation machine, if you really want to run Java Desktop you should get a workstation, Hi Ken Thanks for the tip, I was afraid there was a limit to Sbus technology.=20 It's really more a matter of impressing my friends when they come over and say "wow that's a really big computer, lets see what it can do" and then when I boot it, "wow it's really noisy and it has.. a... great.. looking... login prompt". :) Best regards Ben From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Wed Jan 10 22:35:51 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:35:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <1054097.1566321168439731085.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1054097.1566321168439731085.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200701102239.RAA07869@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render > greater than 256 colors, AFAIK I think this is wrong, actually. Check out the SUNW,leo for an example - it's got something like 80 or 90 bits per pixel, as I read what docs I've been able to find. (Not all of them are colour-depth pixels; some are Z-buffer and such. But I'm fairly sure it's got at least 24bpp.) There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep it straight which one). Depending on how you define "sbus framebuffer", it may or may not count. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From sun.mail.list@oryx.cc Wed Jan 10 23:04:41 2007 From: sun.mail.list@oryx.cc (Jerry Kemp) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:04:41 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EE2A5@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EE2A5@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <45A57109.8050200@oryx.cc> I am running an E4500+D1000 in my home. What I did to ultimately get a decent display, was to go with SunRay(s). I am running OpenWin on top of Solaris 10 u2. Jerry Kemp Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: >> The E3500 is not a desktop/workstation machine, if you really want to > run Java Desktop you should get a workstation, > > Hi Ken > > Thanks for the tip, I was afraid there was a limit to Sbus technology. > > It's really more a matter of impressing my friends when they come over > and say "wow that's a really big computer, lets see what it can do" and > then when I boot it, "wow it's really noisy and it has.. a... great.. > looking... login prompt". :) > > Best regards > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From Keywords: ; Wed Jan 10 23:18:49 2007 From: Keywords: ; (Craig Dewick) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:18:49 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Daniel Krook wrote: >> To summerise, what other ways can one with too much time >> pimp out their sparc? > > What a great thread. :) > > I thought my abandoned E450s were already living the life as barstools in > my friend's basement-turned-nightclub. Now I'm thinking fishtank or > speaker upgrade... > > http://krook.net/img/e450s-at-play.jpg He he they actually look really good in their new role. Given that you can pick up E450's (even here in Oz) for almost nothing now, they're good for anything. In my case I am actually running one since it's quiet and allows me to consolidate a bunch of other machines into one system, thereby reducing hardware, cutting down on noise, heat, and power usage. And being movable, they're easy to shift around when the need arises (for cleaning, etc.). Craig. -- Post by Craig Dewick (tm). Web @ "http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick". Email 2 "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au". SunShack @ "http://www.sunshack.org" Galleries @ "http://www.sunshack.org/gallery2". Also lots of tech data, etc. Sun Microsystems webring at "http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=sunmicrosystemsu". From andre@purplecow.org Wed Jan 10 23:30:22 2007 From: andre@purplecow.org (Andre van Eyssen) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:30:22 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EE2A5@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E985EE2A5@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > Thanks for the tip, I was afraid there was a limit to Sbus technology. Don't get too worried too soon. Companies like Parralax made 24bit SBus framebuffers. However, the best option would be to get yourself a couple of SunRays. Honestly, the performance is going to be about the same as an old framebuffer and they'll allow you to put your work area some distance from Mr. Heat & Noise. -- Andre van Eyssen. "the only value you can add to a banana is a bruise" -- McNealy. From magnus@yonderway.com Thu Jan 11 01:48:53 2007 From: magnus@yonderway.com (Magnus) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Aurora Linux: Ask us how you can PIMP YOUR SPARC! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A59785.9020706@yonderway.com> Craig Dewick wrote: > Given that you > can pick up E450's (even here in Oz) for almost nothing now, I must be looking in all the wrong places, and I live in the USA. They are still several hundred $$$ here wherever I look. Wish I could find some of those great deals you are finding. From nmfp@mega.ist.utl.pt Thu Jan 11 12:14:56 2007 From: nmfp@mega.ist.utl.pt (Nuno Pires) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:14:56 +0000 (WET) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <200701102239.RAA07869@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> References: <1054097.1566321168439731085.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> <200701102239.RAA07869@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, der Mouse wrote: >> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render >> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK > > I think this is wrong, actually. Check out the SUNW,leo for an > example - it's got something like 80 or 90 bits per pixel, as I read > what docs I've been able to find. (Not all of them are colour-depth > pixels; some are Z-buffer and such. But I'm fairly sure it's got at > least 24bpp.) > Never seen one, but isn't the leo two sbus slots wide? > There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view > but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different > connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep it > straight which one). Depending on how you define "sbus framebuffer", > it may or may not count. > As someone said there are some cards from third-party vendors. I saw this one on eBay Germany: http://cgi.ebay.de/SUN-SS10-SS20-Grafikkarte-RasterFlex-HR_W0QQitemZ190068177886QQihZ009QQcategoryZ22462QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem .. -- Nuno P. From n2vip@verizon.net Thu Jan 11 14:14:28 2007 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:14:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 Message-ID: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> >From: der Mouse >Date: 2007/01/10 Wed PM 04:35:51 CST >To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com >Subject: Re: RE: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 >> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render >> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK > >I think this is wrong, actually. Check out the SUNW,leo for an >example - it's got something like 80 or 90 bits per pixel, as I read >what docs I've been able to find. (Not all of them are colour-depth >pixels; some are Z-buffer and such. But I'm fairly sure it's got at >least 24bpp.) Well, I did say "AFAIK" ;^) I think there were _some_, but thye are so rare, and by now so under-powered, as to be approaching irrelevance for many applications. >There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view >but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different >connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep it >straight which one). Depending on how you define "sbus framebuffer", >it may or may not count. Since the target is an E2500, I didn't consider single platform solutions an option (and the S24 is dog slow as well, by current standards)... I saw in another posting that the Original Poster wanted to impress non-Sun folks with his system, the frustration is that you have to know what an E3500 is to appreciate it, much like a mainframe - otherwise it is just a big box... You could shove a SunPCI IIPro in the system (if the PCI slots would accept full-length cards), but I wonder about a PCI Raptor graphics card could work? Ken From n2vip@verizon.net Thu Jan 11 14:20:58 2007 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:20:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 Message-ID: <5029274.4056201168525258790.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> >From: Andre van Eyssen >Date: 2007/01/10 Wed AM 10:10:44 CST >To: "Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)" >Cc: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com >Subject: RE: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 >On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > >> Mine has the standard CGSix and it's rather frustrating to finally have >> enough power to use the Java Desktop but to only have it rendered in >> wonderful 8bit fuzz-o-vision. > >Get the right I/O board and use a Creator3D - not the fastest framebuffer >in history but at least 24bit with decent resolution. Ah, not that familiar with the E3500 - yes, add a Creator or Elite framebuffer, and you will have a pretty nice graphics solution. Its no competition for the latest whiz-bang PC graphics cards, but it does offer reasonably fast, 24 bit color depth graphics From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Thu Jan 11 15:10:18 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:10:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> References: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200701111517.KAA19363@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >>> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render >>> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK >> Check out the SUNW,leo for an example > Well, I did say "AFAIK" ;^) You did, I must agree. :) > I think there were _some_, but thye are so rare, and by now so > under-powered, as to be approaching irrelevance for many > applications. Under-powered? You didn't say anything about having rendering engines onboard or anything, just "greater than 256 colors". Yes, if you want a rendering engine, you probably won't be satisfied with *any* SBus framebuffers; they mostly predate that sort of thing, and the ones that do have them have engines from their era. >> There's also the S24, [...] > Since the target is an E2500, I didn't consider single platform > solutions an option True, it's not an answer to the need which started the thread. I mentioned it for completeness, in that it's a possible answer to the question implicit in the statement you made, not because I thought it would help meet the original need. > (and the S24 is dog slow as well, by current standards)... By nearly any standards, actually. It's got *very* limited acceleration, and 24bpp dumb-framebuffer *is* dog-slow for just about anything more than putting up static pictures. (About all the S24 can accelerate is solid-colour rectangle fills, and rectangle-to-rectangle copies, and even those it can't accelerate all that much.) Perhaps fortunately, the S24 does support 8bpp access for screen areas for which 8bpp is enough, and that view is as fast as any 8bpp framebuffer. The acceleration which is present also helps, though less than it does at 24bpp. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Thu Jan 11 15:17:38 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:17:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: References: <1054097.1566321168439731085.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> <200701102239.RAA07869@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: <200701111528.KAA19450@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >>> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render >>> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK >> Check out the SUNW,leo > Never seen one, but isn't the leo two sbus slots wide? Well, I'll be damned. I was sure the one I had was only one slot wide (or I wouldn't've mentioned it in the first place). You prompted me to dig around until I found the machine containing it; on opening it up, I find my memory was wrong - you're right, it *is* two slots wide. My apologies for spreading misinformation. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From ken@seefried.com Thu Jan 11 15:41:49 2007 From: ken@seefried.com (Ken Seefried) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:41:49 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> References: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070111154149.27437.qmail@seefried.com> n2vip@verizon.net writes: > >>> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render >>> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK >> Parallax and Rasterflex made sbus video capable of 24-bits. Don't recall if they were single slot or not...been a long time. From ken@seefried.com Thu Jan 11 18:44:10 2007 From: ken@seefried.com (Ken Seefried) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <200701111517.KAA19363@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> References: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> <200701111517.KAA19363@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: <20070111184410.805.qmail@seefried.com> der Mouse writes: > > Yes, if you want > a rendering engine, you probably won't be satisfied with *any* SBus > framebuffers; they mostly predate that sort of thing, and the ones that > do have them have engines from their era. > Didn't Jim Gettys put out a paper that showed, in essence, rendering engines from that era were so useless that it was better (for X, at least) just to treat it as a dumb frame buffer and let the CPU do the pixel pushing? Or maybe he was talking about an even earlier generation. Ken From jlw@jlw.com Fri Jan 12 04:03:19 2007 From: jlw@jlw.com (Jeff Woolsey) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <20070111154149.27437.qmail@seefried.com> References: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> <20070111154149.27437.qmail@seefried.com> Message-ID: <45A70887.7060107@jlw.com> Ken Seefried wrote: > n2vip@verizon.net writes: >>>> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render >>>> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK > > Parallax and Rasterflex made sbus video capable of 24-bits. Don't > recall if they were single slot or not...been a long time. > ______________________ I have a couple Parallax cards (and mirrored their website before they vanished). Most were concerned with video framegrabbing. One card (the 700, IIRC) ostensibly takes one SBus slot, but it's a thick sandwich and if you have an SS10/SS20 or Ultra 1/2 and put it in the lower slot, you can't put anything in the upper slot. I also had a 2-slot-wide card that I never did use; I wonder if I ever got rid of it? The 700 came inside a SS10 which I still use to this day. The card originally sold for several kilobucks. -- Jeff Woolsey {woolsey,jlw}@{jlw,jxh}.com first.last@gmail.com "A toy robot!!!!" -unlucky Japanese scientist "And Leon's getting laaaarrger!" -Johnny "Delete! Delete! OK!" -Dr. Bronner on disk space management "I didn't get a 'Harrumph!' out of _that_ guy." -Gov Le Petomaine From hessel.keegstra@chello.nl Fri Jan 12 08:24:25 2007 From: hessel.keegstra@chello.nl (hessel.keegstra@chello.nl) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 9:24:25 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 Message-ID: <20070112082425.WFGE19932.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@localhost> > Parallax and Rasterflex made sbus video capable of 24-bits. Don't recall if > they were single slot or not...been a long time. Hi, VITEC RasterFlex HR, RasterOps TC/S (with old Mac style DB15 video connector) and Parallax POWERVIDEO are single slot S-bus 24 bit color cards. All can be considered a rare find these days though. Cheers, Hessel > > van: "Ken Seefried" > datum: 2007/01/11 Thu PM 04:41:49 CET > aan: n2vip@verizon.net > cc: der Mouse , suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > onderwerp: Re: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 > > n2vip@verizon.net writes: > > > >>> There are _no_ single-slot SBUS framebuffers available that render > >>> greater than 256 colors, AFAIK > >> > > Parallax and Rasterflex made sbus video capable of 24-bits. Don't recall if > they were single slot or not...been a long time. > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Fri Jan 12 16:07:13 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:07:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] E3500 In-Reply-To: <20070111184410.805.qmail@seefried.com> References: <28839713.4054621168524868584.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> <200701111517.KAA19363@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <20070111184410.805.qmail@seefried.com> Message-ID: <200701121611.LAA03973@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> Yes, if you want a rendering engine, you probably won't be satisfied >> with *any* SBus framebuffers; they mostly predate that sort of >> thing, and the ones that do have them have engines from their era. > Didn't Jim Gettys put out a paper that showed, in essence, rendering > engines from that era were so useless that it was better (for X, at > least) just to treat it as a dumb frame buffer and let the CPU do the > pixel pushing? I don't know, but if he said that about that era, I think he was wrong. > Or maybe he was talking about an even earlier generation. Possibly. But, for example, the cg6 has acceleration for rectangle fills, line draws, and screen-to-screen copies that is very much worthwhile in my experience. (The cg6 is 8bpp and thus not suitable to address the needs in this thread, but it is a good example of a non-useless rendering engine from the SBus era. Not what's usually meant by a "rendering engine" today - no texture mapping or shading across polygons, for example - but a lot better than nothing for many uses. Though I really wish I had enough doc to use the 3D transformation engine it contains.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From rleir@leirtech.com Sat Jan 13 09:05:39 2007 From: rleir@leirtech.com (Rick Leir) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:05:39 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 In-Reply-To: <20070111170516.C010193DE@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070111170516.C010193DE@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <1168679140.3700.34.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 12:05 -0500, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: > There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view > but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different > connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep My memory (which is thankfully spotty) says this S24 was for the SS20. There was also a 24 bit sbus card from a texan company named something like Vipix which I had in an IPX or LX. Wish I could find one now. cheers -- Rick From cfalconer@avonside.school.nz Sun Jan 14 03:21:51 2007 From: cfalconer@avonside.school.nz (Craig FALCONER) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:21:51 +1300 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 In-Reply-To: <1168679140.3700.34.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> Message-ID: <00a701c7378b$2315edd0$fb00a8c0@aghs.lan> I don't often post here because I know little. However I do know that the S24 card is a 24 bit card, but is not for = SBUS... In a SparcStation 5 it is a different connector parallel to the SBUS = slot that is furtherest from the PSU. The slot is called AFX and is similar = but different to the SBUS connector. >From memory, AFX has some pins and some tab-like connectors. Needless = to say - use of the AFX slot means one SBUS slot is not available. =20 The SS4 has an AFX frame buffer built into the board which is limited to = 8 bit only. Neither the S24 in a SS5 or the onboard one in a SS4 is = supported by linux in my experience. -----Original Message----- From: suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com [mailto:suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com] On Behalf Of Rick Leir Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:06 p.m. To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 12:05 -0500, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: > There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view=20 > but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different=20 > connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep My memory (which is thankfully spotty) says this S24 was for the SS20. = There was also a 24 bit sbus card from a texan company named something like = Vipix which I had in an IPX or LX. Wish I could find one now. cheers -- Rick _______________________________________________ Suns-at-Home mailing list Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sun Jan 14 03:30:59 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:30:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 In-Reply-To: <1168679140.3700.34.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> References: <20070111170516.C010193DE@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <1168679140.3700.34.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> Message-ID: <200701140333.WAA19264@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of >> view but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different >> connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 > My memory (which is thankfully spotty) says this S24 was for the > SS20. No, and I'm quite certain of that - unless we're talking about totally different things called the S24, it's not for the SS20. The SS20 does have a 24bpp framebuffer available, in the form of the cg16, but it's not an SBus device even from the POV of the host CPU. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From costellob@asme.org Sun Jan 14 17:16:55 2007 From: costellob@asme.org (Brian Costello) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:16:55 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #477 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <45AA6587.8050402@asme.org> If memory serves... The S24 was the SX onboard frame buffer on SS20 (and some SS10s) that you needed a special extra wide DIMM to enable. Some mother boards also had a feature connector that allowed a special sbus-like board to be installed to allow a second SX interface. I believe you also needed a second special DIMM to enable the second SX. I do not think there was an SBUS version of SX from SUN but then again that was well over 10 years ago. Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: >Send Suns-at-Home mailing list submissions to > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Suns-at-Home digest..." > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: S24 (Rick Leir) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 > From: > Rick Leir > Date: > Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:05:39 -0500 > To: > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > To: > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > >On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 12:05 -0500, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com >wrote: > > >>There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view >>but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different >>connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep >> >> >My memory (which is thankfully spotty) says this S24 was for the SS20. >There was also a 24 bit sbus card from a texan company named something >like Vipix which I had in an IPX or LX. Wish I could find one now. >cheers -- Rick > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Suns-at-Home mailing list >Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > > From costellob@asme.org Sun Jan 14 17:36:17 2007 From: costellob@asme.org (Brian Costello) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:36:17 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Use SUN box as a network switch In-Reply-To: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> I have a really odd request and hope someone has done this. Is it feasible to turn an Ultra 1 into a simple 4 port network switch with a QFE card installed? I am not sure how to configure the routing table such that the devices attached to the QFE ports will be fully visable on the rest of the network. The devices attached the the QFE ports will be on the same subnet at the main network which the main network port will be attached (HME0). For example: Ultra 1 HME0: 192.168.0.20 PC attached to QFE0: 192.168.0.100 Printer attached to QFE1: 192.168.0.101 Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.102 Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.103 The Ultra 1 is running Solaris 8 or 9. I do not know if the U1 will route traffic by default to the attached devices or if special routes will have to be added. I will be using cross over network cables to make the connection. Any suggestions are welcome (other than why I want to such a stupid thing). Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area From wigyori@2p.hu Sun Jan 14 18:58:42 2007 From: wigyori@2p.hu (Zoltan HERPAI) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:58:42 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Use SUN box as a network switch In-Reply-To: <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> Message-ID: <45AA7D62.80407@2p.hu> Collecting the interfaces into a bridge port would do what you want - however, I'm not sure how this can be set up in Solaris 8/9, but you could do it easily with Linux and bridge-utils. My $0.02. -w- BTW, why do you need such a noisy 4-port switch? :) Brian Costello wrote: > I have a really odd request and hope someone has done this. Is it > feasible to turn an Ultra 1 into a simple 4 port network switch with a > QFE card installed? I am not sure how to configure the routing table > such that the devices attached to the QFE ports will be fully visable > on the rest of the network. The devices attached the the QFE ports > will be on the same subnet at the main network which the main network > port will be attached (HME0). For example: > > Ultra 1 HME0: 192.168.0.20 > PC attached to QFE0: 192.168.0.100 > Printer attached to QFE1: 192.168.0.101 > Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.102 > Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.103 > > The Ultra 1 is running Solaris 8 or 9. > > I do not know if the U1 will route traffic by default to the attached > devices or if special routes will have to be added. I will be using > cross over network cables to make the connection. Any suggestions are > welcome (other than why I want to such a stupid thing). > > Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org > San Francisco Bay Area > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From sastevens@earthlink.net Sun Jan 14 20:23:54 2007 From: sastevens@earthlink.net (Scott Stevens) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #477 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <45AA6587.8050402@asme.org> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6587.8050402@asme.org> Message-ID: <20070114152354.7cd2ec3f.sastevens@earthlink.net> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:16:55 -0800 Brian Costello wrote: > If memory serves... The S24 was the SX onboard frame buffer on SS20 (and > some SS10s) that you needed a special extra wide DIMM to enable. Some > mother boards also had a feature connector that allowed a special > sbus-like board to be installed to allow a second SX interface. I > believe you also needed a second special DIMM to enable the second SX. I > do not think there was an SBUS version of SX from SUN but then again > that was well over 10 years ago. > I have a SparcStation 10SX which has dual onboard S24 video on the motherboard. It has two 13W3 connectors, one of them coming off the special connector cited above, and two of the special VSIMMs. I'm not using it at present, but it's a wonderful but slow double-headed desktop machine that runs Xinerama very well. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of exciting things one can do with cgfourteen graphics today. I think a dualheaded SS10SX is what would be considered the ultimate SparcStation 10, although mine is badged on the case as a regular SS10. > > suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: > > >Send Suns-at-Home mailing list submissions to > > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of Suns-at-Home digest..." > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: S24 (Rick Leir) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 > > From: > > Rick Leir > > Date: > > Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:05:39 -0500 > > To: > > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > > > To: > > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > > > > >On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 12:05 -0500, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com > >wrote: > > > > > >>There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view > >>but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different > >>connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep > >> > >> > >My memory (which is thankfully spotty) says this S24 was for the SS20. > >There was also a 24 bit sbus card from a texan company named something > >like Vipix which I had in an IPX or LX. Wish I could find one now. > >cheers -- Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Suns-at-Home mailing list > >Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > >http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From ken@seefried.com Sun Jan 14 20:46:23 2007 From: ken@seefried.com (Ken Seefried) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:46:23 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Use SUN box as a network switch In-Reply-To: <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> Message-ID: <20070114204623.17474.qmail@seefried.com> Brian Costello writes: > I have a really odd request and hope someone has done this. Is it feasible > to turn an Ultra 1 into a simple 4 port network switch with a QFE card > installed? I am not sure how to configure the routing table such that the > devices attached to the QFE ports will be fully visable on the rest of the > network. You've got a terminology breakdown. Routing is not switching, and vice versa. Switches are bridges in practice, so to do what you propose, you need to either: 1) Have each device on it's own network and route between them, or 2) Figure out how to bridge interfaces in Solaris (I don't know if you can). Suggestion: get a 10/100 switch. They're dirt cheap. From darrick@tuffmail.com Sun Jan 14 20:54:27 2007 From: darrick@tuffmail.com (Darrick Burch) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:54:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Use SUN box as a network switch In-Reply-To: <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> Message-ID: <3178.139.102.254.112.1168808067.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> > I have a really odd request and hope someone has done this. Is it feasible to turn an Ultra 1 into a simple 4 port network switch with a QFE card installed? I am not sure how to configure the routing table such that the devices attached to the QFE ports will be fully visable on the rest of the network. The devices attached the the QFE ports will be on the same subnet at the main network which the main network port will be attached (HME0). For example: > Ultra 1 HME0: 192.168.0.20 > PC attached to QFE0: 192.168.0.100 > Printer attached to QFE1: 192.168.0.101 > Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.102 > Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.103 ... I've done such a thing in Linux with a PC and a bunch of PCI Ethernet cards, but I've not done such a thing with Solaris (and acutally I've never even touched Solaris). Maybe someone could add to this, but my strategy with the Linux PC was not to create a route for each interface, but rather to create a layer 2 bridge and add each Ethernet interface to it. The result was a logical interface with a single IP address (I think Linux called it bridge0). the PC running the bridge was responsible for tracking all of the MAC addresses on each Ethernet adapter and routing the frames (not packets) accordingly. I don't know if such a facility exists in Solaris or not, but if it does, I wouldn't mind knowing myself... I suppose an alternative to that would be to route traffic at the network layer (layer 3) by giving each of your QFE interfaces an IP address on a different network number and enabling port forwarding. For example: The QFE interface to PC might use 192.168.1.1 and use netmask 255.255.255.0. The PC attached to it might have an IP address of 192.168.1.2 and use 192.168.1.1 as the default gateway. You could do the same thing on the remaining interfaces, incrementing the third octet in the IP addresses used (such as 192.168.2.1, 192.168.3.1, and 192.168.4.1). You probably don't need to mask off a full 8 bits for the host address, but hey, it makes the math easy. :) Anybody else out there have an opinion on this? Does port forwarding work on ALL interfaces at once on Solaris? Does he have to enable port fowarding on each interface? From jason@sungeek.net Mon Jan 15 02:37:13 2007 From: jason@sungeek.net (Jason Grove) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:37:13 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Use SUN box as a network switch In-Reply-To: <3178.139.102.254.112.1168808067.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6A11.9070802@asme.org> <3178.139.102.254.112.1168808067.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net> Message-ID: <45AAE8D9.5050409@sungeek.net> Darrick Burch wrote: >> I have a really odd request and hope someone has done this. Is it > feasible to turn an Ultra 1 into a simple 4 port network switch with a > QFE card installed? I am not sure how to configure the routing table > such that the devices attached to the QFE ports will be fully visable on > the rest of the network. The devices attached the the QFE ports will be > on the same subnet at the main network which the main network port will > be attached (HME0). For example: > >> Ultra 1 HME0: 192.168.0.20 >> PC attached to QFE0: 192.168.0.100 >> Printer attached to QFE1: 192.168.0.101 >> Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.102 >> Printer attached to QFE2: 192.168.0.103 My $0.02... Solaris 9 and below will act as a router by default if you do not have an /etc/defaultrouter file. What this means is like Darrick Burch said, you can assign each qfe# a differnet IP, i.e: qfe0: 192.168.0.1 qfe1: 192.168.1.1 qfe2: 192.168.2.1 qfe3: 192.168.3.1 then assign each item attached to those cards an ip in that subnet, if you are going to only have that one item, plus the qfe in the subnet, you could get by with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.248. Then assign each item an ip address of 192.168.0.2,192.168.1.2,192.168.2.2,192.168.3.2, and make it's default route the qfe address (i.e. 192.168.0.1,etc).. what this will do is make you have 4 networks and the solaris machine will do the routing between them. I had originally thought about IPMP but that would not work well since you are trying to make a switch. Basically unless you want to go spend the $25 for a hub or switch, you are going to have to have a different network for each device attached to the ultra1. (Also remember that you need to use cross over cables for all the connections.) jason From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Mon Jan 15 03:50:59 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:50:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #477 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <45AA6587.8050402@asme.org> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6587.8050402@asme.org> Message-ID: <200701150353.WAA09519@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > If memory serves... The S24 was the SX onboard frame buffer on SS20 > (and some SS10s) that you needed a special extra wide DIMM to enable. No, that's the cg16 - and I'm quite certain of that because it's what I'm using on my 20. :-) It's not on the SBus even from the point of view of the host CPU (the S24, for all that it's not an SBus connector mechanically, does look like an SBus device to the host). (The cg16 appears under obio.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Mon Jan 15 03:53:14 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:53:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #477 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20070114152354.7cd2ec3f.sastevens@earthlink.net> References: <20070114170504.75F7593C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <45AA6587.8050402@asme.org> <20070114152354.7cd2ec3f.sastevens@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200701150355.WAA09541@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > I have a SparcStation 10SX which has dual onboard S24 video on the > motherboard. It has two 13W3 connectors, one of them coming off the > special connector cited above, and two of the special VSIMMs. Sure it's S24? I think if you check you'll see that they're cg16s, SX framebuffers, not the S24 which is a TCX. > I'm not using it at present, but it's a wonderful but slow > double-headed desktop machine that runs Xinerama very well. > Unfortunately there aren't a lot of exciting things one can do with > cgfourteen graphics today. I'll cheefully take it off your hands if you decide you want to get rid of it! :) der Mouse From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Mon Jan 15 06:47:15 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:47:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] "cg16" on SS20 Message-ID: <200701150648.BAA15677@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Recently (mostly in the "24bpp SBus framebuffer" thread), I've been babbling about the cg16 on the SS20. This was a brainfart. It's actually called the cg14. I don't know where I got cg16 from. My apologies. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From pgt@myrealbox.com Mon Jan 15 09:18:02 2007 From: pgt@myrealbox.com (Phillip Tong) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:18:02 +1100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 In-Reply-To: <00a701c7378b$2315edd0$fb00a8c0@aghs.lan> References: <00a701c7378b$2315edd0$fb00a8c0@aghs.lan> Message-ID: <45AB46CA.8030305@myrealbox.com> Craig FALCONER wrote: > I don't often post here because I know little. > > However I do know that the S24 card is a 24 bit card, but is not for > SBUS... In a SparcStation 5 it is a different connector parallel to > the SBUS slot that is furtherest from the PSU. The slot is called > AFX and is similar but different to the SBUS connector. > > From memory, AFX has some pins and some tab-like connectors. > Needless to say - use of the AFX slot means one SBUS slot is not > available. Correct - SBUS slot 3 becomes unavailable since the card physically covers the SBUS connector. > The SS4 has an AFX frame buffer built into the board which is limited > to 8 bit only. Neither the S24 in a SS5 or the onboard one in a SS4 > is supported by linux in my experience. Having used one some time ago (machine was a SS5/170), I can honestly say the graphics performance was no less than shocking. I remember putting a CG6 card into the same machine and you could see the improvement - you didn't have to wait for the CDE login screen to draw the components one by one, although you had to put up with the colour "flashing" that happened when running something like Netscape and switching away from it. At the time (I worked for Sun in Australia then), my work machine was an Ultra 1E/200 with a Creator3D plus a CG6 and the Creator3D performance, for the machine it was in, was definitely an improvement. (Now I've got an Ultra 2 at home, looking for a Creator3D card for it in Sydney Australia - they seem to be a rarity...) --Phil. From rleir@leirtech.com Mon Jan 15 15:02:16 2007 From: rleir@leirtech.com (Rick Leir) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: cg6 doc In-Reply-To: <20070113170515.0B8C893D6@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070113170515.0B8C893D6@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <1168873336.3700.44.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> The X server of the time (X11R4 or 5) was built using an object file driver for cg6 XGL, and source was not available. I wonder if anyone at Sun would be prepared to release that code now, and perhaps docs? Taking a new tack now, what versions of Solaris or Linux would support a ZX in a SS5? cheers -- Rick > > But, for example, the cg6 has acceleration for rectangle fills, line > draws, and screen-to-screen copies that is very much worthwhile in my > experience. (The cg6 is 8bpp and thus not suitable to address the > needs in this thread, but it is a good example of a non-useless > rendering engine from the SBus era. Not what's usually meant by a > "rendering engine" today - no texture mapping or shading across > polygons, for example - but a lot better than nothing for many uses. > Though I really wish I had enough doc to use the 3D transformation > engine it contains.) > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > > End of Suns-at-Home Digest From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Mon Jan 15 17:31:58 2007 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:31:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Use SUN box as a network switch Message-ID: <200701151731.l0FHVwa18411@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: "Darrick Burch" " " > I have a really odd request and hope someone has done this. Is it " > feasible to turn an Ultra 1 into a simple 4 port network switch with a " > QFE card installed? " " [] " " I suppose an alternative to that would be to route traffic at the network " layer (layer 3) by giving each of your QFE interfaces an IP address on a " different network number and enabling port forwarding. For example: " " [] " " Anybody else out there have an opinion on this? Does port forwarding work " on ALL interfaces at once on Solaris? Does he have to enable port " fowarding on each interface? suns route by default. when i was at sun in chelmsford [many moons ago], my area had 4 networks and the routers were ss1s stuffed with scsi/le cards and running sunos 4.1.2. i would expect solaris to just dtrt if the ports are on different segments of the same net. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From paul@anastrophe.com Mon Jan 15 17:39:26 2007 From: paul@anastrophe.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:39:26 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] when a sun-at-home gets 'slashdotted' Message-ID: <20070115174120.2AD4193C9@tigger.net-kitchen.com> i wrote an article this weekend that got submitted to digg.com, and the following morning it became very popular. i posted a brief followup article about the 'fun' i had dealing with it. the audience here might enjoy it. http://klaatu.anastrophe.com/index.php/2007/01/13/when-ants-look-as-big-as-cars/ not mentioned in the article - last night i overclocked the netra's 440mhz cpu to 500mhz. it's running just fine, and while compared to today's leaps of speed it's almost a laughably small increase, i'll gladly take those 60 extra megahertz! Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com From quinstar@yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 17:34:27 2007 From: quinstar@yahoo.com (James) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:34:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SPARC 5 Video troubles and Sparc2 question Message-ID: <422562.52328.qm@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> I bought a Sparc5 off eBay, and a friend gave me a 13W3 cable and a Sun VGA-13W3 adapter he had since he's moved on to E450's. I have it hooked to a Viewsonic 17G VGA monitor, and I can tell that text comes up after POST, but it seems one or both lines of synch are not working from the twisted look of the screen. Is there something I missed in the cabling, or is there something I have to modify in addition that I didn't know about? The frame buffer has TURBOXGX in large letters in the center, and I have some other frame buffers if I need to switch them out, but so far I get the same from them as well. As for the Sparc2's I purchased as well, I only have a Model/Type 6 keyboard to go around, and in the service manual it shows the error codes displayed for the keyboard. If I take them at face value, it shows memory problems, but if I take the labels of each LED in its position on the keyboard (which is differently arranged from the labels in the manual) then they all trnslate into "Reserved." Which is correct, by the actual label to label matchup, or from left to right per LED period? Thanks for any feedback. James From Keywords: ; Tue Jan 16 22:39:39 2007 From: Keywords: ; (Craig Dewick) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:39:39 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: S24 In-Reply-To: <1168679140.3700.34.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> References: <20070111170516.C010193DE@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <1168679140.3700.34.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Rick Leir wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 12:05 -0500, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com > wrote: >> There's also the S24, which is SBus from the host CPU's point of view >> but uses a mechanically (and probably electrically) different >> connector; it exists only for the SS4 or SS5 (I can never keep > My memory (which is thankfully spotty) says this S24 was for the SS20. > There was also a 24 bit sbus card from a texan company named something > like Vipix which I had in an IPX or LX. Wish I could find one now. > cheers -- Rick The S24 was designated cg12 (aka TCX?) and was designed to use the AFX bus in Sparcstation 5 systems. The SS20's used the cg14 frame buffer (aka SX) that required special VSIMM's. The SS10 had a very similar setup but the VSIMM's were different. Here are some links with reference info: http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/Graphics/GRAPH_SS5_S24.html http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/Graphics/GRAPH_CG14.html I remember very well using the SX in my first SS20. That was around the mid-90's, which was about 4 years after SS20's were released. Sun had real integrated 24-bit colour video well before any PC ever did! I still think that an SS20 with an 8 MB VSIMM is a perfect Xterminal platform - compact, high-powered, and it has fully-integrated ethernet, 16-bit stereo sound, and 24-bit video. I don't know if anyone's developed specific X-term oriented installations of NetBSD, Linux, etc. to suit the SS20's but some of the Xterm support adapted for Javastations probably would suit SS20's also. Craig. -- Post by Craig Dewick (tm). Web @ "http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick". Email 2 "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au". SunShack @ "http://www.sunshack.org" Galleries @ "http://www.sunshack.org/gallery2". Also lots of tech data, etc. Sun Microsystems webring at "http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=sunmicrosystemsu". From Keywords: ; Wed Jan 17 01:11:23 2007 From: Keywords: ; (Craig Dewick) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:11:23 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SPARC 5 Video troubles and Sparc2 question In-Reply-To: <422562.52328.qm@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <422562.52328.qm@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, James wrote: > I bought a Sparc5 off eBay, and a friend gave me a > 13W3 cable and a Sun VGA-13W3 adapter he had since > he's moved on to E450's. I have it hooked to a > Viewsonic 17G VGA monitor, and I can tell that text > comes up after POST, but it seems one or both lines of > synch are not working from the twisted look of the > screen. Is there something I missed in the cabling, or > is there something I have to modify in addition that I > didn't know about? Does the monitor support Sun's default video spec which is 1152 x 900 @ 66 Hz? Also, the TGX will output video with seperate H and V sync's if my memory is correct - older monitors require a combined H/V sync signal while the later ones (generally the PC-compatible multi-syncing ones) can handle straight seperate sync signals or combined sync. > The frame buffer has TURBOXGX in large letters in the > center, and I have some other frame buffers if I need > to switch them out, but so far I get the same from > them as well. That's a standard generic frame buffer that works in any Sun system with Sbus slots. You can get more info about the TGX from these links: http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/Graphics/GRAPH_TurboGX.html There are two variants which use slightly different chipset revisions, but the functionality is basically the same. > As for the Sparc2's I purchased as well, I only have a > Model/Type 6 keyboard to go around, and in the service > manual it shows the error codes displayed for the > keyboard. If I take them at face value, it shows > memory problems, but if I take the labels of each LED > in its position on the keyboard (which is differently > arranged from the labels in the manual) then they all > trnslate into "Reserved." Which is correct, by the > actual label to label matchup, or from left to right > per LED period? I don't know if a type-6 keyboard would work properly on a Sparcstation 2, but if they're like the older type-5 kbd's, they'll 'look' to a system just like a type-4 kbd, and they certainly do work with the early Sparcstations. Kbd specs are at: http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/Input_Device/INPUT_TOC.html Regards, Craig. -- Post by Craig Dewick (tm). Web @ "http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick". Email 2 "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au". SunShack @ "http://www.sunshack.org" Galleries @ "http://www.sunshack.org/gallery2". Also lots of tech data, etc. Sun Microsystems webring at "http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=sunmicrosystemsu". From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Wed Jan 17 04:20:56 2007 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:20:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SPARC 5 Video troubles and Sparc2 question In-Reply-To: <422562.52328.qm@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <422562.52328.qm@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701170426.XAA07956@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > but it seems one or both lines of synch are not working from the > twisted look of the screen. Is there something I missed in the > cabling, or is there something I have to modify in addition that I > didn't know about? Depending on how you're displaying the result, there's some chance the actual problem is that the console is set to the framebuffer at a resolution your display device doesn't support, and it's trying anyway (and failing rather dismally). You might try using serial console (disconnect the keyboard before power-up and it puts console on ttya) and see what "printenv" at the ROM "ok" prompt says input-device and output-device are set to. If you set output-device to "screen" ("setenv output-device screen") then it should come up at its default resolution, which is almost always 1152x900. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From huge@huge.org.uk Wed Jan 17 19:27:40 2007 From: huge@huge.org.uk (Huge) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sparc 2 question In-Reply-To: <20070117170525.0146693C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070117170525.0146693C5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <1169062059.5127.5.camel@apophis> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 17:05, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:11:23 +1100 (EST) > From: Craig Dewick > Reply-To: Keywords: ; > To: James > cc: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] SPARC 5 Video troubles and Sparc2 question > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, James wrote: > > As for the Sparc2's I purchased as well, I only have a > > Model/Type 6 keyboard to go around, and in the service > > manual it shows the error codes displayed for the > > keyboard. If I take them at face value, it shows > > memory problems, but if I take the labels of each LED > > in its position on the keyboard (which is differently > > arranged from the labels in the manual) then they all > > trnslate into "Reserved." Which is correct, by the > > actual label to label matchup, or from left to right > > per LED period? > > I don't know if a type-6 keyboard would work properly on a Sparcstation 2, It worked fine on mine. From dlefebvre@northoxfordnet.co.uk Sat Jan 20 17:12:49 2007 From: dlefebvre@northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:12:49 -0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun items available near Oxford UK Message-ID: <010201c73cb6$368811b0$0b01a8c0@thrupp1> I have the following Sun items available free if collected near Oxford UK: SparcClassic External hard disk in matching case External tape drive in matching case Connecting cables and manuals Please contact me off list at dlefebvre@northoxfordnet.co.uk. David This e-mail contains information intended for the recipient only. Should you receive this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and then delete the original from your system. North Oxfordshire Networks Ltd cannot guarantee that any attachments to this e-mail are free of software viruses. You should therefore check for viruses before opening any attachments. From benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net Sun Jan 21 20:18:02 2007 From: benjamin.lewis@belgacom.net (Ben Lewis) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:18:02 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] when a sun-at-home gets 'slashdotted' In-Reply-To: <20070115174120.2AD4193C9@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20070115174120.2AD4193C9@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <49631314-2F79-41E2-A9A2-56CC55E3A8A3@belgacom.net> > i wrote an article this weekend that got submitted to digg.com, and > the following morning it became very popular. i posted a brief > followup article about the 'fun' i had dealing with it. the > audience here might enjoy it. Hello Paul Very interesting article. The original posting was also quite provocative. I used to hide bank card pin numbers in fully qualified telephone numbers written on post it notes in my wallet. A milder form of your password technique. I didn't have a constant offset value, just looking at the number was usually enough of a reminder. Best regards Ben PS I like your blog and I hadn't seen "WordPress" before. Pretty cool stuff, inspired by your setup I thought the list might appreciate a post I made this evening (note green and white tractor paper in second Richard Pryor picture) on my new WordPress installation. http://www.ipcress.net/blog/?p=18 From woolsey@jlw.com Thu Jan 25 04:17:08 2007 From: woolsey@jlw.com (woolsey@jlw.com) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:17:08 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] two 17" Sun monitors available for local pickup in Silicon Valley Message-ID: <45B82F44.9030304@jlw.com> I have two Sun GDM-17E10 3651316-01 color monitors that I no longer need. One of them has a weak blue gun, the other is fine. Please come take both of these off my hands. I'm in Mountain View, CA. -- Jeff Woolsey {woolsey,jlw}@{jlw,jxh}.com first.last@gmail.com "A toy robot!!!!" -unlucky Japanese scientist "And Leon's getting laaaarrger!" -Johnny "Delete! Delete! OK!" -Dr. Bronner on disk space management "I didn't get a 'Harrumph!' out of _that_ guy." -Gov Le Petomaine From costellob@asme.org Sat Jan 27 23:15:01 2007 From: costellob@asme.org (Brian Costello) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:15:01 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Early Spring Cleaning Message-ID: <45BBDCF5.7020000@asme.org> I need to clear out the storage room for an impending office move. I have the following equipment free to whoever is willing to come and cart it away. I will not ship it, I will not even lift it. You have to come and get it if you want it. First come first served. Equipment is located near Palo Alto, CA, USA. Ultra30 parts chassis (still has graphics card, MB, & powersupply, no CPU or memory) Ultra 1 (may have 2 of these but not sure) SPARCserver 1000 with one processor card (2 50MhZ processors) and 3 disk cards SPARCstorage array beige (optical interface, mix of 2 and 4 gig drives) SPARCstorage array gray (optical interface, mix of 2 and 4 gig drives) SPARC tape library (dual 8mm with dual SCSI interfaces) SS20 (Dead as far I could tell way back when it died) SS10 SSLX SS4 IPX IPC IPC size disk array box for 4 drives several 411 boxes several narrow SUN SCSI cables 1 or 2 SUN 19" monitors 4mm DA drive in 411 case 8mm tape drive in tall 411 case 6 port ATM switch (optical) (4) SBUS ATM cards (optical interface) CG3 SBUS card box-o-SCSI drives (mostly Seagate -non SUN, 4gig 68pin SCSI) (2) ZX frame buffers (dual SBUS) turbo XGX frame buffer (2) SCSI - 10BaseT ethernet SBUS cards Sun Video Card + Sun Camera (3) SS10 External Audio box (4) optical mice (3) type 4 keyboard Sun Interface converter (allows PC keyboard and mouse on older type 5 keyboard systems) I have no idea what works and what does not. If you are interested, let me know when you are available to stop by. I mostly work from home which is not close to the corporate office so my availability will vary. -- Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area From borisch.4@osu.edu Mon Jan 29 02:10:56 2007 From: borisch.4@osu.edu (Jeff Borisch) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:10:56 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 386i free to a good home (columbus, oh) Message-ID: <45BD57B0.9000008@osu.edu> More pre-spring cleaning Has the 150 MB hard drive. It gets to the firmware prompt (via serial) just fine but will not boot the os as far as I can tell. I have a CD-R, with the 20 or so floppy images, that you are free to have if you are just that intrepid. The only catch is you have to pick it up. If you are in or near columbus or are going to be passing through in the next couple of months, It's yours. Thanks! Jeffrey From angusf@mac.com Mon Jan 29 13:16:53 2007 From: angusf@mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 386i free to a good home (columbus, oh) In-Reply-To: <45BD57B0.9000008@osu.edu> References: <45BD57B0.9000008@osu.edu> Message-ID: <45BDF3C5.1030605@mac.com> Jeff Borisch wrote: > More pre-spring cleaning > > Has the 150 MB hard drive. It gets to the firmware prompt (via serial) > just fine but will not boot the os as far as I can tell. I have a CD-R, > with the 20 or so floppy images, that you are free to have if you are > just that intrepid. > > The only catch is you have to pick it up. If you are in or near columbus > or are going to be passing through in the next couple of months, It's > yours. > I still have the Boxed set of Floppies of 4.0.1 and the monstrously rare monitor/keyboard cable for a road runner (386i) if anyone wants them. I think I also have a tape of SunOS 4.0.3 / Open Windows OS. I am in the UK and they can be collected South London / M25 They would be expensive to ship. Free to a good home. Angus