From n2vip@verizon.net Sun Oct 1 22:43:39 2006 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Available: Ultra 2 bases $5/each Message-ID: <33394131.7905461159739019260.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Hello all, I've got a large collection of Ultra 2 bases available for $5 each, without any CPU, RAM, framebuffer or HD but all do have CD-ROM drives installed. All are tested good, and available for actual shipping cost from 08534 (Pennington, NJ - near Trenton). They are also for $5 each for local pick-up. If interested I do have a small Qty. CPUs, RAM, TGX framebuffers available for additional $ with purchase of one (or more) U2 bases. Please contact me off-list if interested, my email is below. Thanks, Ken n2vip at verizon net From raub@kudria.com Thu Oct 5 12:50:32 2006 From: raub@kudria.com (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:50:32 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IDE/SATA for U30? Message-ID: <4524F188.3040005@kudria.com> Are there cards that will work in a U30 that would allow me to use an IDE or SATA disk in the beast? From mnorton@mail.wecare.net Thu Oct 5 18:22:10 2006 From: mnorton@mail.wecare.net (mnorton) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:22:10 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Recommend book on Solaris Administration.. Message-ID: <200610051122.AA1442709636@mail.wecare.net> hi, I have a Sun Ultra 10 I use as my home workstation. I couldn't resist the opportunity when a Sn E4500 came my way. Still eagerly awaiting its arrival any day now. I am going to install Solaris 10 on it. What is a really good book to have for someone who is a Unix user but would like to really learn Unix administration? thanks. Mike From blewis3@lucent.com Fri Oct 6 08:18:04 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:18:04 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Recommend book on Solaris Administration.. Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E9828B2DC@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> >What is a really good book to have for someone who is a Unix user but would like to really learn Unix administration? Hello Mike The best book I have found which describes the tasks of UNIX administration is the "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi Nemeth, Gareth Snyder, Scoot Seebass, Trent Hein ISBN 0-13-020601-6. I am something of a second hand book nerd and have the first, second and third editions (I think the fourth is now out). Since our office scrapped it's library (to save cost!) I've become the unofficial librarian and many of my colleagues drop by to look at this book when they get stuck. I say "describes the task of UNIX administration" as it describes very well how, why and when you may want to perform a particular task. It also covers the office politics and business impact of UNIX sys admin. For detailed listings of all commands and parameters you should look at complimenting it with something like "UNIX in a Nutshell" from O'Reilly. Although this has now been superseded to some extent by Google it's always wise to have a physical book with you if you are on a customer site. I was once doing an installation in Saudi Arabia and we got a tricky Oracle error. I said to the customer admin, "Let's put the code into Google and see what comes up", he replied "Whats Google?". True story, their internet access was so restricted they had never seen Google. Best regards Ben Ben Lewis Lucent Worldwide Services :wq! From shel@tandem.artell.net Fri Oct 6 15:30:33 2006 From: shel@tandem.artell.net (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:30:33 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Recommend book on Solaris Administration.. In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E9828B2DC@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <004301c6e953$fbb61790$ca00a8c0@artell.net> > Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) said, inter alia ... > Mike said ... > > What is a really good book to have for someone who is a Unix user but > > would like to really learn Unix administration? > > The best book I have found which describes the tasks of UNIX > administration is the "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi > Nemeth, Gareth Snyder, Scoot Seebass, Trent Hein ISBN 0-13-020601-6. I strongly second this nomination. The first ("Red Book") edition , since it contains much wit as well as much wisdom, makes great leisure reading, too. The various editions of this book parallel, and apply most strongly to, various versions of the operating systems it covers. Avoid the Janice Winsor books from Sun. They're neither as well-written nor as informative as the Nemeth book, and, worse still, contain subtle and destructive typographical errors in some of the example commands. > For detailed listings of all commands and parameters you > should look at complimenting it with something like > "UNIX in a Nutshell" from O'Reilly. Yea, verily. If you only get those two, you'll be able to manage pretty well. If you have more room, and more funds, O'Reilly's "UNIX Power tools" is well worth having, too. -Shel From danny@mtu.edu Fri Oct 6 19:55:08 2006 From: danny@mtu.edu (Dan Miller) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris system administration books In-Reply-To: <20061006160509.A5E6B93D5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20061006160509.A5E6B93D5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: > >Message: 2 >Subject: RE: [Suns-at-Home] Recommend book on Solaris Administration.. >Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:18:04 +0200 >From: "Lewis, Benjamin \(Ben\)" >To: > >>What is a really good book to have for someone who is a Unix user but >would like to really learn Unix administration? > >Hello Mike > >The best book I have found which describes the tasks of UNIX >administration is the "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi >Nemeth, Gareth Snyder, Scoot Seebass, Trent Hein ISBN 0-13-020601-6. > This is an excellent book. I have used it(both the 2nd and 3rd editions) to teach courses in Solaris system administration over the past 7 years. It has been very well received by my students. The third edition is getting somewhat old, so I tried "Essential System Administration" by AEleen Frisch ISBN 0-596-00343-9 for the class this past summer. I think that this book does a better job of starting at the beginning, and then taking the new sysadm through intermediate and then expert subjects. It's hard to fault anything in "UNIX System Administration Handbook", but it is actually a reference book for the experienced Unix person. -- ---------------------------------------------- Dan Miller, Lecturer School of Technology Michigan Technological University Houghton, MI ----------------------------------------------- From mnorton@wecare.net Fri Oct 6 23:13:23 2006 From: mnorton@wecare.net (Michael Norton) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:13:23 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Recommend book on Solaris Administration.. In-Reply-To: <004301c6e953$fbb61790$ca00a8c0@artell.net> References: <004301c6e953$fbb61790$ca00a8c0@artell.net> Message-ID: <1A906EF2-4749-4CD9-969A-579714DB8181@wecare.net> Thanks Sheldon. These are precisely the 3 books I have on my book shelf. Red Book -UNIX System Admin... O"Reilly -UNIX in a NutShell O'Reilly -UNIX Power Tools. So I guess I have the info I need. I will post some admin questions here. Once I start setting up accounts. thanks to EVERYONE!!! Mike On Oct 6, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Sheldon T. Hall wrote: >> Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) said, inter alia ... >> Mike said ... >>> What is a really good book to have for someone who is a Unix user >>> but >>> would like to really learn Unix administration? >> >> The best book I have found which describes the tasks of UNIX >> administration is the "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi >> Nemeth, Gareth Snyder, Scoot Seebass, Trent Hein ISBN 0-13-020601-6. > > I strongly second this nomination. The first ("Red Book") > edition , since > it contains much wit as well as much wisdom, makes great leisure > reading, > too. > > The various editions of this book parallel, and apply most strongly > to, > various versions of the operating systems it covers. > > Avoid the Janice Winsor books from Sun. They're neither as well- > written nor > as informative as the Nemeth book, and, worse still, contain subtle > and > destructive typographical errors in some of the example commands. > >> For detailed listings of all commands and parameters you >> should look at complimenting it with something like >> "UNIX in a Nutshell" from O'Reilly. > > Yea, verily. > > If you only get those two, you'll be able to manage pretty well. > If you > have more room, and more funds, O'Reilly's "UNIX Power tools" is > well worth > having, too. > > -Shel > > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From psand@mac.com Tue Oct 10 10:58:45 2006 From: psand@mac.com (Per Sandstrom) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:58:45 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun-3/60 available in Calgary Message-ID: <452B6ED5.3020002@mac.com> I'm posting this for my friend Shane who isn't subscribed to this list. He'd like to find a good home for his Sun-3/60. The machine is available for pick-up (unless you pay shipping) in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. As far as I know, this 3/60 has 12MB RAM and a CG4 color framebuffer. It includes a color monitor, keyboard, optical mouse and the metal mousepad as well as an external 1GB SCSI disk (not the shoebox) loaded with SunOS 4.1. All cables included. In short, a very complete 3/60! The owner can be contacted directly at . Per From blewis3@lucent.com Tue Oct 10 13:51:21 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:51:21 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 5 - Quiet Power Supply Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFC86@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Hello Folks I was thinking last night that the power supply in my Ultra 5 is very noisy. I'd like to be able to leave this machine running 24/7 at home but the noise from the power supply means it can be heard throughout the house at night. Does anyone know if the Ultra 5 uses a standard PC AT(X) power supply? Would it be feasible to swap the stock PS for one of these new super quiet ones? Best regards Ben From n2vip@verizon.net Tue Oct 10 20:06:16 2006 From: n2vip@verizon.net (n2vip@verizon.net) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:06:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtTdW5zLWF0LUhvbWVdIFVsdHJh?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?IDUgoC0gUXVpZXQgUG93ZXIgU3VwcGx5?= Message-ID: <17267601.1927641160507176129.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> >From: "Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)" >Date: 2006/10/10 Tue AM 07:51:21 CDT >To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com >Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 5 - Quiet Power Supply >Hello Folks > >I was thinking last night that the power supply in my Ultra 5 is very >noisy. I'd like to be able to leave this machine running 24/7 at home >but the noise from the power supply means it can be heard throughout the >house at night. > >Does anyone know if the Ultra 5 uses a standard PC AT(X) power supply? >Would it be feasible to swap the stock PS for one of these new super >quiet ones? I heard (on another list I'm on) that they are ATX compatible. The Ultra 10 an 5 bases I use have relatively quiet fans - is yours loud, or are you looking for "very quiet"? Ken From blewis3@lucent.com Wed Oct 11 09:22:13 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:22:13 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Re=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> > is yours loud, or are you looking for "very quiet"? Hello Ken, Eric Thanks for the information. Yes I am looking at one of these "case = modding" style PC ATX power supplies which claim to provide similar = ventilation but at very low noise levels. I used to be able to leave computers running over night but since we had = a baby the noise is just too much as her room is right below my "attic = lab". The Ultra 5 I have is rather noisy and still makes quite a racket = even after a good cleaning. Having said that it's quieter than my G5! I'm going to investigate my local PC "hot rodding" shop over the weekend = and I will report any progress I make. Hopefully they won't try and sell = me green neon tubes to go inside the case! Best regards Ben Brussels, Belgium From erp@digitalserenity.net Wed Oct 11 14:25:28 2006 From: erp@digitalserenity.net (Eric R. Pizzani) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:25:28 +1000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Suns-at-Home]_RE:_[Suns-at-Home]_Re:_[Suns-a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?t-Home]_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <757643E7-C900-4F5C-ACD6-D2A9EEB01A8B@digitalserenity.net> Hey all, Also worth nothing is trying to 'insulate' the machine. Someone had made a wooden box with the front and back exposed for your typical ATX boxes, except it was lined with carpet. Presumably the carpet damped the sound. I guess this is also worth trying. Since the machine ventilates through the back you shouldn't have much of a problem with it heating up. Worth thinking about at least. Eric. On 11/10/2006, at 6:22 PM, Lewis, Benjamin ((Ben)) wrote: >> is yours loud, or are you looking for "very quiet"? > > Hello Ken, Eric > > Thanks for the information. Yes I am looking at one of these "case > modding" style PC ATX power supplies which claim to provide similar > ventilation but at very low noise levels. > > I used to be able to leave computers running over night but since > we had a baby the noise is just too much as her room is right below > my "attic lab". The Ultra 5 I have is rather noisy and still makes > quite a racket even after a good cleaning. Having said that it's > quieter than my G5! > > I'm going to investigate my local PC "hot rodding" shop over the > weekend and I will report any progress I make. Hopefully they won't > try and sell me green neon tubes to go inside the case! > > Best regards > > Ben > > Brussels, Belgium > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From jima@beer.tclug.org Wed Oct 11 14:42:52 2006 From: jima@beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:42:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Re=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > I'm going to investigate my local PC "hot rodding" shop over the weekend > and I will report any progress I make. Hopefully they won't try and sell > me green neon tubes to go inside the case! *eyes the Ultra 5 sitting next to him* Tempting. Jima From jacob.brodersen.ctr@langley.af.mil Wed Oct 11 20:05:53 2006 From: jacob.brodersen.ctr@langley.af.mil (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Ctr_ACC/A8II?=) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:05:53 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply_+?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_neon?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200610111905.k9BJ5shY020351@lfi-cits-03.langley.af.mil> Sun machines require blue neon to look really cool. I put a couple of = them behind the front of my Ultra 80. Looked awesome in the dark. One = tube eventually quit, now the other has turned to red. Go figure... Jake =20 -----Original Message----- From: suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com = [mailto:suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com] On Behalf Of Jima Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:43 AM To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] RE: [Suns-at-Home] Re: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra = 5 - Quiet Power Supply On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > I'm going to investigate my local PC "hot rodding" shop over the=20 > weekend and I will report any progress I make. Hopefully they won't=20 > try and sell me green neon tubes to go inside the case! *eyes the Ultra 5 sitting next to him* Tempting. Jima ____________ From mnorton@mail.wecare.net Wed Oct 11 21:18:19 2006 From: mnorton@mail.wecare.net (mnorton) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:18:19 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] RE: [Suns-at-Home] Re: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 5 - Quiet Power Supply Message-ID: <200610111418.AA2120351978@mail.wecare.net> I say liquid cool that BAD BOY --and run neon through out the clear case!!! Mike ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jima Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:42:52 -0500 (CDT) >On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: >> I'm going to investigate my local PC "hot rodding" shop over the weekend >> and I will report any progress I make. Hopefully they won't try and sell >> me green neon tubes to go inside the case! > > *eyes the Ultra 5 sitting next to him* > Tempting. > > Jima >_______________________________________________ >Suns-at-Home mailing list >Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com >http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > From mnorton@mail.wecare.net Wed Oct 11 21:21:30 2006 From: mnorton@mail.wecare.net (mnorton) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris installation via console term Message-ID: <200610111421.AA2003763372@mail.wecare.net> hi, I need to install Solaris 10 onto my E4500. 1. What settings do I need to configure on my M$ Hyperterminal to console in? 2. Can I install Solaris via a terminal this way? 3. Anyone know what Stop-A is from M$ Hyperterminal? thanks. Mike From philip@xinqu.net Wed Oct 11 22:37:31 2006 From: philip@xinqu.net (Philip Plane) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:37:31 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris installation via console term In-Reply-To: <200610111421.AA2003763372@mail.wecare.net> References: <200610111421.AA2003763372@mail.wecare.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, mnorton wrote: > hi, > > I need to install Solaris 10 onto my E4500. > > 1. What settings do I need to configure on my M$ Hyperterminal to console in? Whatever matches the Sun. Normally 9600,8,n,1. But some use 19200. I normally turn off flow control. > 2. Can I install Solaris via a terminal this way? Yes. > 3. Anyone know what Stop-A is from M$ Hyperterminal? Send a break. -- Philip Plane _____ philip@xinqu.net | ---------------( )--------------- Glider pilots have no visible means of support From andre@purplecow.org Thu Oct 12 00:31:43 2006 From: andre@purplecow.org (Andre van Eyssen) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:31:43 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris installation via console term In-Reply-To: <200610111421.AA2003763372@mail.wecare.net> References: <200610111421.AA2003763372@mail.wecare.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, mnorton wrote: > 1. What settings do I need to configure on my M$ Hyperterminal to console in? Download TeraTerm (it's free) and save yourself a lot of hassle. -- Andre van Eyssen. "the only value you can add to a banana is a bruise" -- McNealy. From lists@groll.co.za Thu Oct 12 02:14:32 2006 From: lists@groll.co.za (Jonathan Groll) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:14:32 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] RE: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra 5 ?- Quiet Power Supply + neon In-Reply-To: <200610111905.k9BJ5shY020351@lfi-cits-03.langley.af.mil> References: <200610111905.k9BJ5shY020351@lfi-cits-03.langley.af.mil> Message-ID: <20061012011432.GB27889@groll.co.za> On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 03:05:53PM -0400, Br?dersen Jacob K Ctr ACC/A8II wrote: > Sun machines require blue neon to look really cool. I put a couple of them behind the front of my Ultra 80. Looked awesome in the dark. One tube eventually quit, now the other has turned to red. Go figure... That would almost certainly count as a frankensun then... From geoff@palaemon.co.uk Thu Oct 12 07:43:35 2006 From: geoff@palaemon.co.uk (Geoff Blake) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:43:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Re=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982BFF3F@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > > is yours loud, or are you looking for "very quiet"? > > Hello Ken, Eric > > Thanks for the information. Yes I am looking at one of these > "case modding" style PC ATX power supplies which claim to > provide similar ventilation but at very low noise levels. > > I used to be able to leave computers running over night but > since we had a baby the noise is just too much as her room is > right below my "attic lab". The Ultra 5 I have is rather noisy > and still makes quite a racket even after a good cleaning. > Having said that it's quieter than my G5! > > I'm going to investigate my local PC "hot rodding" shop over the > weekend and I will report any progress I make. Hopefully they > won't try and sell me green neon tubes to go inside the case! Hi Ben, If the U5 is in the attic, is it on the wooden floor? if so, put a couple of carpet tiles under it, makes a terriffic difference to my U60..... Good luck Geoff -- Geoff Blake G8GNZ located near Chelmsford, Essex, U.K. Please reply to: geoff (at) palaemon (dot) co (dot) uk Using Linux on Intel & Linux or NetBSD on Sun Sparc platforms Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This E-mail and any attachment(s) are strictly confidential and is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient please notify and the sender by return and permanently delete the message. You may not disclose, forward or copy this E-mail or any of its attachments to any third party without the prior consent of the sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blewis3@lucent.com Thu Oct 12 09:02:19 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:02:19 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Re=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982C036E@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Hi Folks Some good ideas there Geoff, well it's not directly on the floor but it is on a metal framed = table and the floor surface is QuickStep. That's a good thought, I'll = try with small coasters of carpet under the legs of the table. It also = doesn't help that we live in a small terraced house. I'm pretty sure we = get more noise from the Spanish neighbours next door but of course "your = old computer" receives all of the blame.=20 Jake, Mike. Hmmm now blue neon would look pretty cool, I wonder if = enough light would come out through the front grill to light the = keyboard at night. I think water cooling may be a little over the top = but you never know what may happen once I get the credit card out! Oh = dear I'm turning into a rabid case modding PC fanboy!!! Best regards Ben From pgt@myrealbox.com Thu Oct 12 11:33:23 2006 From: pgt@myrealbox.com (Phillip Tong) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:33:23 +1000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris installation via console term In-Reply-To: References: <200610111421.AA2003763372@mail.wecare.net> Message-ID: <452E19F3.4070908@myrealbox.com> Philip Plane wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, mnorton wrote: > >> hi, >> >> I need to install Solaris 10 onto my E4500. >> >> 1. What settings do I need to configure on my M$ Hyperterminal to >> console in? > > Whatever matches the Sun. Normally 9600,8,n,1. But some use 19200. I > normally turn off flow control. From experience, the E4500 would be a 9600,8,n,1 setting (unless somebody's fiddled with the settings on your machine). >> 2. Can I install Solaris via a terminal this way? > > Yes. > >> 3. Anyone know what Stop-A is from M$ Hyperterminal? > > Send a break. You've said you're using M$ Hyperterminal to do this - so press Ctrl+Break to send said break. One thing to note: set Hyperterminal manually to VT100 before starting the E4500 - I had all sorts of trouble leaving one terminal in "Auto Detect" (found it too hard to read the text-based install screens, even after selecting VT100 as my terminal during the install routine unless I manually set VT100 emulation before starting). --Phil. From geoff@palaemon.co.uk Thu Oct 12 15:11:42 2006 From: geoff@palaemon.co.uk (Geoff Blake) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:11:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Re=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982C036E@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E982C036E@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > Hi Folks > > Some good ideas there > > Geoff, well it's not directly on the floor but it is on a metal > framed table and the floor surface is QuickStep. That's a good > thought, I'll try with small coasters of carpet under the legs > of the table. It also doesn't help that we live in a small > terraced house. I'm pretty sure we get more noise from the > Spanish neighbours next door but of course "your old computer" > receives all of the blame. :-) If iy is on a tanle, insulate the U5 from the table too, almost any bit of old carpet would do, foam backed if possible. Works for me. Geoff -- Geoff Blake G8GNZ located near Chelmsford, Essex, U.K. Please reply to: geoff (at) palaemon (dot) co (dot) uk Using Linux on Intel & Linux or NetBSD on Sun Sparc platforms Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This E-mail and any attachment(s) are strictly confidential and is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient please notify and the sender by return and permanently delete the message. You may not disclose, forward or copy this E-mail or any of its attachments to any third party without the prior consent of the sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Oct 23 10:54:37 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:37 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E98327FD0@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Hello Again Folks I finally got around to buying a quiet PC power supply for my Ultra 5. I = bought an Antec NeoHE from a case modding type shop. The clerk was = actually quite reluctant to sell me this one, he said I should go for = the cheapest. http://www.antec.com/ec/productDetails.php?ProdID=3D05505# The trouble is it doesn't seem to work at all. It fits perfectly into = the Ultra 5 chassis and comes with some classy cables but when I try to = power on I get nothing. That's using the keyboard power switch and the = switch on the front of the case. I've checked everything but still no response. I did notice that when I = first connect the power cord to PSU socket I get a beep, the keyboard = lights flash and the internal fan spins for a second but after that = nothing. I read that there are multiple versions of the ATX standard. This NeoHE = is "ATX 2.2 Compatible". I can't imagine it would not be be backwards = compatible with earlier ATX equipment. Maybe Sun made some modifications = to the standard. Any ideas? Best regards Ben Brussels, Belgium =20 From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Oct 23 13:06:12 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:06:12 +0200 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E983280BE@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> >I read that there are multiple versions of the ATX standard. This NeoHE = is "ATX 2.2 Compatible". I can't imagine it would not be be backwards = compatible with earlier ATX equipment.=20 *shamefully responds to own post* Just checked the pinouts and the Ultra 5/10 use the older version of ATX = which is NOT pin compatible with the new versions! Arghhh! http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml http://pinouts.ru/Power/atx_v2_pinout.shtml The Ultra 5 pinouts are here (warning 5mb PDF) on page 218 :- http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/805-0423-12?q=3Dultra+5 /PS_ON is on a different pin and there are some changes to the 3 and 12 = volt pins. Hmmm back to the shop for an ATX v1 PS I guess. Best regards Ben From jima@beer.tclug.org Mon Oct 23 15:34:38 2006 From: jima@beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E983280BE@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E983280BE@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > Just checked the pinouts and the Ultra 5/10 use the older version of ATX > which is NOT pin compatible with the new versions! Arghhh! As frustrating as it is for you, I'd like to thank you for following up and informing us of your findings. I was unaware of the changes in ATX specifications which would make upgrading/replacing a U5/U10's power supply tricky at best. As a fairly active advocate of SPARC systems (and owner of both a U5 and U10), I'm glad to have that extra bit of knowledge. I only wish I'd known it before, to save you the added stress. :( Thanks Ben! Jima From quapla@xs4all.nl Mon Oct 23 20:33:17 2006 From: quapla@xs4all.nl (Ed Groenenberg) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] T2000 with extra SATA controller - options/suggestions? Message-ID: <12819.88.211.153.27.1161631997.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi all, I have a T-2000, and I want to use a few additional disks. Now, SAS disks as they come with a T2000 are costing lot's of $$$, while SATA/SATA2 disks are larger and cheaper. I want to use 4 of them in a raid5 setup. Support for SATA is there, as the Thumper (X4500) uses the SIL-3124 chip for the internal disk array. My question is, has anybody already tried to use a PCI card with this chip and was successfull in addressing the disks? Thanks, Ed From mdmcdonald@fastmail.fm Fri Oct 27 21:40:14 2006 From: mdmcdonald@fastmail.fm (Mark McDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:40:14 -0400 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Telco Suns In-Reply-To: <20060818145003.E27F893C4@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20060818145003.E27F893C4@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <1161981614.8089.274398623@webmail.messagingengine.com> Does anyone know if the NEBS rated Sun servers can be converted from DC to AC by changing the power supply unit? Another way to ask this is; Can a Netra 1400, 1120 or T1-DC200 be converted to a 1405, 1125 or T1-AC200 by replacing the psu? Thanks, Mark -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- M a r k M c D o n a l d m d m c d o n a l d at f a s t m a i l dot f m -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjw@alembic.com Sat Oct 28 05:16:14 2006 From: rjw@alembic.com (Ron Wickersham) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Telco Suns In-Reply-To: <1161981614.8089.274398623@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20060818145003.E27F893C4@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <1161981614.8089.274398623@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Mark McDonald wrote: > Does anyone know if the NEBS rated Sun servers can be converted from DC > to AC by changing the power supply unit? > > Another way to ask this is; Can a Netra 1400, 1120 or T1-DC200 be > converted to a 1405, 1125 or T1-AC200 by replacing the psu? hi Mark, yes, at least i can say for sure in the case of the 1120 and 1125. i have two 1125's and one 1120 and the power supplies are identical in mounting, form factor, and internal connections to the main board and wiring harness. the documentation (user manual and service manual, etc.) comes in single volumes covering both the 1120 and 1125 so there's not even separate manuals. -ron From awouk@nilenet.com Sun Oct 29 19:33:33 2006 From: awouk@nilenet.com (Arthur Wouk) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:33:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] clearing out some sun stuff Message-ID: <20061029193333.07D041CC2B@mail.nilenet.com> i would like to move the following: two brand new sparcstation2 floppy drives. these may work in later or the mess is getting to be too much for me, so i am trying to pass on a lot of rescue type stuff tp those who can use them. trades would be welcome. i am moving up from the sparcstation era to ultra-2 and sun blade 100. offers accepted, starting at actual shipping cost. quantity item 2 Seagate SCSI ST31200N 1" high hard drives 1 Seagate SCSI ST32430N 1" high hard drive 1 IBM SCSI DPES-310190 1" high 1gig hard drive 2 300-1038 Sun 85watt power supply for sparcstations 1,1+,2, new, never used. 2 Sun floppy drives for sparcstation 2 (maybe others) each has its plastic mounting tray. part #370=1207 10 501-1785 16mb 80ns memory sticks 5 no-name 16mb memory sticks which worked in a sparcstation10 13 501-2273 16mb 80ns memory sticks ss10 5 501-2622 32mb 60ns memory sticks (SS10/20, Ultra1/2/30/60 and various E machines) 2 501-2479 16mb 60ns memory sticks (ss10/20.... 1 501-2219 03REV51 SM40 40mhz cpu 1 501-2607 SM51 50mhz 1meg cache cpu 3 501-2352 SM51 50mhz 1meg cache cpu 2 SM71 75mhz Supersparc II 3001 Rev. 50 (a matched pair in think). 3 501-1672 CGsix GX Framebuffers 1 501-1718 CG3 Framebuffer i have four parts sparcstations 10- ask or take about parts. one unusual sparcstation 2: cgsix TGX famebuffer 98mb ram i IBM DCAS-32168 2.1gig 5400rpm hard drive, runs very cool. this boc could easily take another modern drive. serial/parallel card installed (1 parallel port, 8 serial ports), with cable and breakout box, and five null-modem cables, i used this instead of a kvm to connect to all my other sun machines. now i use kvms. one sparcstation 1+ upgraded to a 2 (it so reports itself) weitek 8omhz cpu 2 2.1gig hard drives, one modern seagate, the other ibm as above together the heat load is less than that of the original seagate 490mb drives these machines came with. 98mb ram i actually have the 64mb addon cards in these, but i could enver get the full extra ram. i even have a spare 64mb card whcih only delivers 32mb installed. don't know why. i could use in trade (possibly plus cash) for some if these things: ram for a sun bladw 100/150, anything from 128mm to 512mb, and might throw in money on the deal. cdrom, cd-rw and/or dvdrom for an ultra-2. mine stopped working and i am using an old external cdrom at the moment. ide dvdrom/cd-rw for a sunblade 100 a sunpci IIpro card and ram a pci scsi controller which works in a sun blade 100 a pci UBS2 card for a sun blade 100 or for hp pc hardware an airport express station for the house lan. i live in zip code 80304, if you wnat to estimate shipping cost - that is in boulder, colorado, if you are local enough. please contact me off line. From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Oct 30 08:28:58 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:28:58 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E9835D836@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> >Hmmm back to the shop for an ATX v1 PS I guess. Finally got back to the shop on Friday evening and changed the ATX v2 = power supply for a v1. I had quite a time explaining the problem (in = french! not my native tongue) but I had the pinout specs printed to use = as evidence. The first clerk took me to see "the hardware guy" but he = had some difficulty understanding that it was not for a PC. "Yes but = what processsor is it?" he kepy asking and wouldn't take "UltraSparc" = for an answer. Finally they gave in just to get rid of me :) Not as high spec but only about a third of the price of the first one. = The chap said that I couldn't have cash back but I could have the = difference in a voucher. They only sell PC stuff so I didn't know what = to buy. The only interesting thing I could find was a blue neon tube! = (they actually had water cooling kits but I resisted!). I took some pictures of the installation :- http://www.ipcress.net/images/html/Ultra5/Ultra5.html The good thing is that the neon tube comes with a switch built into a = PCI blanking plate so that you can turn the thing off, that blue colour = looks cool but is pretty harsh on the eyes after a while. It doesn't actually seem much quieter. I think the source of most of the = noise is the 8cm fan in the front left of the case. I also bought a = "super-quiet" fan which fits right into the plastic housing. Trouble is = the connector is different so I will need to fire up the soldering iron = when I get the chance. Best regards Ben Brussels, Belgium From jima@beer.tclug.org Mon Oct 30 16:52:07 2006 From: jima@beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:52:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_RE=3A_=5BSuns-at-Home=5D_Ultra_5_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0-_Quiet_Power_Supply?= In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E9835D836@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E9835D836@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: > The chap said that I couldn't have cash back but I could have the > difference in a voucher. That's the one thing I dislike about the smaller computer shops; they usually offer only store credit for refunds. > They only sell PC stuff so I didn't know what to buy. The only > interesting thing I could find was a blue neon tube! (they actually had > water cooling kits but I resisted!). Oh man! You actually did it. > The good thing is that the neon tube comes with a switch built into a > PCI blanking plate so that you can turn the thing off, that blue colour > looks cool but is pretty harsh on the eyes after a while. Hmm. I wonder if it'd be possible to put something like window screen material in front of it to dull it down. Something that would add some opacity, but not restrict airflow. > It doesn't actually seem much quieter. I think the source of most of the > noise is the 8cm fan in the front left of the case. I also bought a > "super-quiet" fan which fits right into the plastic housing. Trouble is > the connector is different so I will need to fire up the soldering iron > when I get the chance. Yeah, that. I was just looking at the fan connector on mine a week or so ago, cursing the unusual connector. My fan's showing its age, so I suspect I'll be replacing mine before too long. Thanks again for verifying that ATX (v1, at least) power supplies in fact work in the U5. I suspect that information will serve me well before terribly long. (As I type this on my U10 that's only been off for maintenance a handful of times in the five years I've owned it...) Jima