From nschmalenberger@fastmail.fm Thu Nov 2 04:23:14 2006 From: nschmalenberger@fastmail.fm (Nick Schmalenberger) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:23:14 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ultra/5 maybe used to edit oed Message-ID: <1162441394.8222.274803962@webmail.messagingengine.com> I was fascinated to see in this document: http://www.oed.com/pdfs/oed-brochure.pdf on page seven a picture of the chief editor of the Oxford English dictionary sitting at an Ultra/5 I think. Neat. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. From dbcomputers@pobox.com Thu Nov 2 19:54:33 2006 From: dbcomputers@pobox.com (david barber) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:54:33 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! Message-ID: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. Does anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from Sun....I'm not that rich!) Thanks! David From tcallawa@redhat.com Thu Nov 2 20:47:04 2006 From: tcallawa@redhat.com (Tom 'spot' Callaway) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:47:04 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! In-Reply-To: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> References: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1162500424.8918.26.camel@dhcp-32-122.ord.redhat.com> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 14:54 -0500, david barber wrote: > I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. > Does anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from > Sun....I'm not that rich!) Buy another SS2 on ebay? :) It would likely be cheaper than trying to coax an official SS2 PROM out of Sun (if they would even sell you one), and faster than buying a blank PROM and trying to find an SS2 image for it. ~spot -- Tom "spot" Callaway || Red Hat || Fedora || Aurora || GPG ID: 93054260 "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men -- not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular." -- Edward R. Murrow, March 9, 1954 From mvergall@telenet.be Fri Nov 3 02:27:06 2006 From: mvergall@telenet.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:27:06 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! In-Reply-To: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> References: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> Message-ID: <454AA8FA.2060200@telenet.be> david barber wrote: > I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. > Does anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from > Sun....I'm not that rich!) > > David, You could try www.memoryx.com they probably have some for sale...don't know what they want for one ... Michael From dezorian@shaw.ca Fri Nov 3 02:56:14 2006 From: dezorian@shaw.ca (Dezorian) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:56:14 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] clearing out some sun stuff In-Reply-To: <20061029193333.07D041CC2B@mail.nilenet.com> References: <20061029193333.07D041CC2B@mail.nilenet.com> Message-ID: <200611022056.15373.dezorian@shaw.ca> On October 29, 2006 01:33 pm, Arthur Wouk wrote: > i would like to move the following: > offers accepted, starting at actual shipping cost. > one sparcstation 1+ upgraded to a 2 (it so reports itself) > weitek 8omhz cpu > 2 2.1gig hard drives, one modern seagate, the other ibm as above > together the heat load is less than that of the original > seagate 490mb drives these machines came with. > 98mb ram > > i actually have the 64mb addon cards in these, but i could enver get the > full extra ram. i even have a spare 64mb card whcih only delivers 32mb > installed. don't know why. > > i live in zip code 80304, if you wnat to estimate shipping cost - that is > in boulder, colorado, if you are local enough. please contact me off > line. > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home Hi Arthur! I hope I'm not too late... haven't checked my email in a while... I'm interested in the 64Mb RAM cards (both) if you've still got them. I have an IPX that I'm retooling to act as my main system and figure I could use all the RAM I can get. I'll offer $20 USD apiece Let me know and we'll talk! Shaun From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Fri Nov 3 08:11:24 2006 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 03:11:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! In-Reply-To: <1162500424.8918.26.camel@dhcp-32-122.ord.redhat.com> References: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> <1162500424.8918.26.camel@dhcp-32-122.ord.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200611030813.DAA08248@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my >> SS2. Does anybody know a good source for these? > Buy another SS2 on ebay? :) It would likely be cheaper than trying to > coax an official SS2 PROM out of Sun (if they would even sell you > one), and faster than buying a blank PROM and trying to find an SS2 > image for it. The OP's "EEPROM" probably actually means the battery-backed NVRAM that's used to maintain console settings, not the ROM that contains firmware. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From adh@an.bradford.ma.us Fri Nov 3 14:27:10 2006 From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:27:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! Message-ID: <200611031427.kA3ERA301828@an.bradford.ma.us> " From: "Tom 'spot' Callaway" " " On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 14:54 -0500, david barber wrote: " > I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. " > Does anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from " > Sun....I'm not that rich!) " " Buy another SS2 on ebay? :) It would likely be cheaper than trying to " coax an official SS2 PROM out of Sun (if they would even sell you one), " and faster than buying a blank PROM and trying to find an SS2 image for " it. easy to find the image! http://www.sunshack.org/data/bootroms.html ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@an.bradford.ma.us and think what none thought From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Fri Nov 3 17:31:04 2006 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:31:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] clearing out some sun stuff In-Reply-To: <200611022056.15373.dezorian@shaw.ca> References: <20061029193333.07D041CC2B@mail.nilenet.com> <200611022056.15373.dezorian@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <200611031732.MAA11686@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> i actually have the 64mb addon cards in these, [...] > I'm interested in the 64Mb RAM cards (both) if you've still got them. > I have an IPX that I'm retooling to act as my main system and figure > I could use all the RAM I can get. *An* IPX? Then you can't use more than one of the cards (at a time), I think. I'm fairly sure there's only one of the auxiliary connectors they use for power (and I think some small number of high-order address bits). /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From awouk@nilenet.com Fri Nov 3 18:47:13 2006 From: awouk@nilenet.com (Arthur Wouk) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:47:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] nvram for ss2 is still available Message-ID: <20061103184713.EC1001CC36@mail.nilenet.com> re: :From: david barber :To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com :Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! : :I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. :Does anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from :Sun....I'm not that rich!) www.mouser.com cost shipped probably about the cost of shipping an ss2. i replaced the nvram on the ss1+ which i am trying to unload. some years ago. there is an faq on replacing it and getting it started. if mouser can no longer get it to you. the ss1+ with weitek chip could be a source of parts, for the cost of shipping. or you could move your stuff to the ss1+. the weitek chip makes for a snappier performer than the stock ss2, and the machine reports itself as an ss2. don't plan to move the weitek chip to an ss2. it takes a special tool to seat it properly, and those were always scarcer than hen's teeth. From dbcomputers@pobox.com Fri Nov 3 23:42:43 2006 From: dbcomputers@pobox.com (david barber) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:42:43 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: EEPROM for Sparc2 Message-ID: <454BD3F3.5070207@pobox.com> Thanks for all the suggestions gang, I think I'm going to try the battery replacement hack......nothing to lose! David From rjw@alembic.com Sun Nov 5 03:58:59 2006 From: rjw@alembic.com (Ron Wickersham) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: EEPROM for Sparc2 In-Reply-To: <454BD3F3.5070207@pobox.com> References: <454BD3F3.5070207@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, david barber wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions gang, I think I'm going to try the > battery replacement hack......nothing to lose! it's worked for me half a dozen times, and never failed on any trial. keep alert for the wires on both end (one end crystal, other end battery) good luck! -ron From huge@huge.org.uk Sun Nov 5 11:14:09 2006 From: huge@huge.org.uk (Huge) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:14:09 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] UK: Free SPARCstation 10 Message-ID: <1162725249.767.3.camel@apophis> Anyone want a SPARCstation 10? Free. You have to collect from the Bedford (UK) area. I forget the spec, but it has a full complement of memory and at least one functional (4.2Gb?) disk. It has a graphics card (13W3) and an SBUS addon card with a SCSI controller and Ethernet port. It also has a second disk in it, but that's dead. Due to a power failure & incomplete fsck, it presently won't allow you to network login to it (wtmpx or utmpx are corrupt) but it works just fine. Plug in a terminal, install Solaris & you're away. I have an external SCSI disk drive that the new owner can have, also, to install Solaris/Linux/BSD/WHY from. Until a few days ago, it was my firewall, but it is now surplus to requirements. From andre@purplecow.org Mon Nov 6 00:37:01 2006 From: andre@purplecow.org (Andre van Eyssen) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:37:01 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: EEPROM for Sparc2 In-Reply-To: References: <454BD3F3.5070207@pobox.com> Message-ID: > it's worked for me half a dozen times, and never failed on any trial. > keep alert for the wires on both end (one end crystal, other end battery) > good luck! Just confirming that I've also done a battery hack on an SS2, and it was pretty easy. Just make sure you insulate all the dodginess before putting the case back on. -- Andre van Eyssen. "the only value you can add to a banana is a bruise" -- McNealy. From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Nov 6 14:36:12 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:36:12 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E983DEDEE@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> >I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. Does anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from Sun....I'm not that rich!) Hello David Sorry this is a bit late. I've ordered replacement watchdog timer chips for my SGI Indy from Maxim-IC. I think they have the part you want :- http://www.maxim-ic.com/alternatives.cfm/part/M48T02/pk/69 (you'd better check this is the right part number).=20 For my Indy I had to get the updated version of the Dallas Semiconductor watchdog chip as the older version is no longer made. The new one is pin compatible with the old one. The best thing is that they will post you two free samples of any chip you choose and even the postage is free! Of course you have to give a valid reason in the request but I'm sure you can come up with something that's sounds legit. Unfortunately you'll be on their mailing list forever more but their free product guides that appear in my inbox now and again are quite interesting. Best regards Ben From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Tue Nov 7 16:36:08 2006 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Seeking a laptop scsi disk... In-Reply-To: <200611071633.LAA06251@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> References: <200611071633.LAA06251@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: <200611071637.LAA06301@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> I've got a SPARCstation Voyager. It's fine, except that the disk is only 773 megs (that's as reported in dmesg at boot time), which I find rather cramping. Trouble is, it takes a laptop SCSI disk, which is a rather rare item. I don't suppose anyone has one looking for a home? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From martinm@allwest.net Tue Nov 7 23:01:44 2006 From: martinm@allwest.net (Martin Marshall) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:01:44 -0700 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Seeking a laptop scsi disk... References: <200611071633.LAA06251@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <200611071637.LAA06301@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: <001001c702c0$b1dcc340$0202a8c0@p4266> Mr. Mouse ( I like that): The laptop scsi discs went up to either 1.2 GB or 2 GB and were made by IBM and Toshiba, and maybe others. One other thing that you can use is a scsi-to-ide converter. Google for: adtx scsi ide That will get you info on these converters. They work well, at least to 8 GB. I have used a few in SPARCbooks and Voyagers and they work well. They do show up on eBay from time to time. I'll check - I may have an extra scsi disk, but it, too, will be small. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "der Mouse" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Seeking a laptop scsi disk... > I've got a SPARCstation Voyager. It's fine, except that the disk is > only 773 megs (that's as reported in dmesg at boot time), which I find > rather cramping. Trouble is, it takes a laptop SCSI disk, which is a > rather rare item. I don't suppose anyone has one looking for a home? > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > > From Keywords: ; Wed Nov 8 05:57:24 2006 From: Keywords: ; (Craig Dewick) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:57:24 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] EEPROM for SS2! In-Reply-To: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> References: <454A4CF9.9020808@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, david barber wrote: > I'm trying to decide if it's worth hunting down an EEPROM for my SS2. Does > anybody know a good source for these? (other than buying one from Sun....I'm > not that rich!) Do you mean an NVRAM? It's a 48T02 and I should still have some new ones here left over from when I was running SRK full-time and programming lots of NVRAM's on a regular basis. Cost won't be much - and postage will be low even from here in Oz. 8-) Craig. -- Post by Craig Dewick (tm). Web @ "http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick". Email 2 "cdewick@lios.apana.org.au". SunShack @ "http://www.sunshack.org" Forums @ "http://www.sunshack.org/phpBB2". Also Galleries, tech archive, etc. Sun Microsystems webring at "http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=sunmicrosystemsu". From rleir@leirtech.com Fri Nov 10 17:00:26 2006 From: rleir@leirtech.com (Rick Leir) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: laptop SCSI disk In-Reply-To: <20061108170516.E0AB993E5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20061108170516.E0AB993E5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <1163178026.6542.81.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> According to http://www.milestonesolutions.com/voyager/FAQS/pcmcia.html you can use a PC card ATA disk. cheers -- Rick On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 12:05 -0500, suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: > I've got a SPARCstation Voyager. It's fine, except that the disk is > only 773 megs (that's as reported in dmesg at boot time), which I find > rather cramping. Trouble is, it takes a laptop SCSI disk, which is a > rather rare item. I don't suppose anyone has one looking for a home? > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From costellob@asme.org Fri Nov 10 17:51:26 2006 From: costellob@asme.org (Brian Costello) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:51:26 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive Message-ID: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> A freind of mine needs to restore data from a 1/2" open reel tape and the drive is long gone. Does anyone have access to a drive and wouldn't mind helping? The specs on the tape are: 3M Black Watch 700 computer tape, 6250 CPI, 1200 ft. If not, anyone know of a service bureau that could do it? -- Brian P. Costello costellob@asme.org San Francisco Bay Area From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Fri Nov 10 19:00:19 2006 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:00:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: laptop SCSI disk In-Reply-To: <1163178026.6542.81.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> References: <20061108170516.E0AB993E5@tigger.net-kitchen.com> <1163178026.6542.81.camel@tbird.leirtech.com> Message-ID: <200611101914.OAA23072@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> [...SPARCstation Voyager...773 meg disk...laptop SCSI...] > According to > http://www.milestonesolutions.com/voyager/FAQS/pcmcia.html > you can use a PC card ATA disk. ...if you're using Solaris. While I'm not, NetBSD does seem to grok PCMCIA disk on my laptop, so it ought to be feasible. I haven't managed to get support for the Voyager PCMCIA slots backported yet, so I can't use them now. I'll certainly keep this in mind for if-&-when I do. It's an idea I hadn't thought of; thank you very much for mentioning it. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From h.keegstra1@chello.nl Fri Nov 10 23:50:33 2006 From: h.keegstra1@chello.nl (Hessel Keegstra) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:50:33 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: laptop SCSI disk In-Reply-To: <200611101914.OAA23072@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: <000001c70523$035736b0$6401a8c0@enterprise> Hi, It is great that Solaris is able to deal with some PCMCIA devices but the bigger question is whether a Voyager can boot from a PCMCIA device. It cannot. Well at least with OBP 2.16 as on my color Voyager it does not work. You can always boot from an external SCSI device of course. Just my two cents. Regards, Hessel -----Original Message----- From: suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com [mailto:suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com] On Behalf Of der Mouse Sent: vrijdag 10 november 2006 20:00 To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Re: laptop SCSI disk >> [...SPARCstation Voyager...773 meg disk...laptop SCSI...] > According to > http://www.milestonesolutions.com/voyager/FAQS/pcmcia.html > you can use a PC card ATA disk. ...if you're using Solaris. While I'm not, NetBSD does seem to grok PCMCIA disk on my laptop, so it ought to be feasible. I haven't managed to get support for the Voyager PCMCIA slots backported yet, so I can't use them now. I'll certainly keep this in mind for if-&-when I do. It's an idea I hadn't thought of; thank you very much for mentioning it. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Suns-at-Home mailing list Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sat Nov 11 06:49:24 2006 From: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:49:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: laptop SCSI disk In-Reply-To: <000001c70523$035736b0$6401a8c0@enterprise> References: <000001c70523$035736b0$6401a8c0@enterprise> Message-ID: <200611110651.BAA05317@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > It is great that Solaris is able to deal with some PCMCIA devices but > the bigger question is whether a Voyager can boot from a PCMCIA > device. It cannot. That in itself is not a problem for me; the existing disk is plenty big enough to be a boot device, and once the kernel is up it can put as much other stuff elsewhere as it wants. I suspect what I'll end up doing in the short term is moving /usr/src to an external disk. (There was someone who offered to send me a 1G drive or two, but retracted the offer upon discovering that I commit the "crime" (his word) of rejecting mail from hosts with generic-looking reverse DNS....) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk Sat Nov 11 13:14:26 2006 From: Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk (Bob Hoekstra) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive In-Reply-To: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> References: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> Message-ID: <4555CCB2.6090708@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040500060308090206060707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fascinating - why have tapes that old? In Europe we have companies that specialise in this sort of thing (see http://www.vogon.co.uk/) but they are definitely not cheap. It is amazing what the specialists can do though... Brian Costello wrote: > A freind of mine needs to restore data from a 1/2" open reel tape and > the drive is long gone. Does anyone have access to a drive and > wouldn't mind helping? The specs on the tape are: 3M Black Watch 700 > computer tape, 6250 CPI, 1200 ft. If not, anyone know of a service > bureau that could do it? > --------------040500060308090206060707 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Bob.Hoekstra.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Bob.Hoekstra.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Bob Hoekstra n:Hoekstra;Bob email;internet:Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk tel;home:+44 1483 771028 tel;cell:+44 7710 562345 version:2.1 end:vcard --------------040500060308090206060707-- From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Nov 13 08:46:59 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:46:59 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E984238EA@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> >Fascinating - why have tapes that old?=20 And I thought copying all the files off my old 5 1/4 inch floppies from university was archeology! Best regards Ben From SqrFolkDnc@comcast.net Mon Nov 13 16:25:04 2006 From: SqrFolkDnc@comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:25:04 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive In-Reply-To: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> References: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> Message-ID: <45589C60.3020709@comcast.net> Not long ago one or more people on the Hercules list had such devices. People emulating old mainframes periodically find old tapes they need to read in. Hercules is the open source software emulator for IBM System 360/370/390/zeseries mainframes. Look at: http://www.hercules-390.org/ or the Hercules-390 Yahoo group. Brian Costello wrote: > A freind of mine needs to restore data from a 1/2" open reel tape and > the drive is long gone. Does anyone have access to a drive and > wouldn't mind helping? The specs on the tape are: 3M Black Watch 700 > computer tape, 6250 CPI, 1200 ft. If not, anyone know of a service > bureau that could do it? > From lbickley@bickleywest.com Mon Nov 13 22:34:45 2006 From: lbickley@bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:34:45 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive In-Reply-To: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> References: <4554BC1E.3010702@asme.org> Message-ID: <200611131434.46311.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Brian, On Friday 10 November 2006 09:51, Brian Costello wrote: > A freind of mine needs to restore data from a 1/2" open reel tape and > the drive is long gone. Does anyone have access to a drive and wouldn't > mind helping? The specs on the tape are: 3M Black Watch 700 computer > tape, 6250 CPI, 1200 ft. If not, anyone know of a service bureau that > could do it? We have 1/2 open reel capability for 800, 1600 and 6250 densities. We do charge for the service of reading tapes and writing their contents to other media (such as CDs, etc.). We do offer the service free to certain qualified non-profit organizations. For instance, we have done free tape conversions for the Computer History Museum, Bitsavers.org, etc.). Cheers, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. Mountain View, CA http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From blewis3@lucent.com Tue Nov 14 09:56:45 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:56:45 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Printing via an Apple Airport Extreme from Solaris (and other stange boxes) Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E98423E71@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Hello Folks I managed to get a HP LaserJet 5MP on loan from work for use when telecommuting. We have recently been upgraded from Dell Latitudes to IBM/Lenovo laptops but as these have no parallel port we were given Belkin USB to Centronics adapters. I thought you might be interested to hear of my experiences setting it up at home. Rather that just connecting it directly to the work laptop I thought I would try and get it working with the USB port of my Airport Extreme wireless router so I can print from all the machines at home. This actually works fine when printing from a Mac as the printer is discovered immeadatly via Apples Bonjour protocol. I then wanted to be able to print from my Ultra 5 and SGI Indy. After searching around it seems the Airport Extreme is able to receive raw print commands via a socket a la HP JetDirect. I found the following procedure which works great, but be aware that for some reason the latest firmware update for the Airport Extreme changes the raw port from 9100 to 9101 (this was very frustrating!) :- http://weblogs.java.net/blog/mhadley/archive/2006/01/printing_to_an.html > Printing to an Apple Airport Connected USB Printer from Solaris Posted > by mhadley on January 30, 2006 at 09:39 AM | Comments (0) > > The first thing to do is work out the IP address of the Airport base=20 > station to which you've hooked up the printer. The Airport Admin=20 > utility on a Mac can help out here if you have multiple base stations=20 > but if you have only one then its likely to the same IP address that=20 > is your default gateway. To find the default gateway type (the #=20 > represents the shell prompt, don't type it): > > # netstat -rn > and look for the 'default' entry. > > To make sure you've got the right IP address try: > > # telnet ipaddr 9100 > where ipaddr is the IP address of the base station. If telnet connects > then you're probably on the right track. > > Next you need to configure a Solaris printer queue that points to the=20 > networked printer. It turns out that the Airport base station works=20 > pretty much the same as a HP JetDirect print server and the following=20 > commands get the job done: > > # lpadmin -p hp -v /dev/null -m netstandard -o dest=3Dairport:9100 -o=20 > protocol=3Dtcp -o banner=3Dnever -T PS -I postscript=20 > # enable hp printer=20 > "hp" now enabled=20 > # accept hp=20 > destination "hp" now accepting requests=20 > # lpadmin -d hp > > where hp is the name of the printer queue and airport is the IP=20 > address or DNS name of the base station. The first line creates the=20 > queue, the second and third enable the queue and set it to accept=20 > requests and the final line sets this new queue to be the default=20 > printer queue. The first line will need adjusting if you are using=20 > anything other than a PostScript printer, the key parts of the command > are use of tcp for protocol rather than bsd and using TCP port 9100 on > the base station. I've secretly always wanted to have console output being printed to a tractor feed printer using that cool fan fold paper with green stripes. Oh well this will have to do I guess. I think I was born twenty years too late to be a real system operator. Best regards Ben PS I hope this doesn't get posted three times. My first submission got bounced, apologies if you get this several times. From shel@tandem.artell.net Tue Nov 14 16:15:43 2006 From: shel@tandem.artell.net (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:15:43 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Printing via an Apple Airport Extreme from Solaris (and other stange boxes) In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E98423E71@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <000801c70808$227ebbc0$6900a8c0@artell.net> Quoth Ben Lewis ... > I've secretly always wanted to have console output being printed to a > tractor feed printer using that cool fan fold paper with > green stripes. > Oh well this will have to do I guess. I think I was born twenty years > too late to be a real system operator. You didn't miss much, really. I started as a "computer operator" on an NCR 315 at an S&L (remember those?) in Atlanta. Although the reports coming out of the lineprinter were on greenbar (with interleaved carbon paper, what a mess), the console output was on white paper. It was special paper, though: each sheet was serial numbered, from the factory. The standard console printer was an IBM Selectric typewriter; wires hand-soldered to the solenoids connected it to special memory locations in the computer's CPU cabinet. Y'see, as operators, we could directly change data (i.e. your account balance, or our own) and the console printout was the only record of the stuff we did. The sheets were numbered to provide an audit trail. If you changed the paper, or broke the continuous "web", you had to file all sorts of reports. Of course, anyone with a piece of cardboard could have subverted that process, but, as far as I know, no one in our shop ever did. -Shel From sun@meowkitty.net Wed Nov 15 17:08:50 2006 From: sun@meowkitty.net (I am not corn!) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive In-Reply-To: <20061111170517.0A94493DA@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <455B0352.19557.22FC3E6E@localhost> On 11 Nov 2006 suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:51:26 -0800 > From: Brian Costello > To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone have a 1/2" open Reel Magnetic Tape drive > > A freind of mine needs to restore data from a 1/2" open reel tape and the > drive is long gone. Does anyone have access to a drive and wouldn't mind > helping? The specs on the tape are: 3M Black Watch 700 computer tape, 6250 > CPI, 1200 ft. If not, anyone know of a service bureau that could do it? Google groups & alt.folklore.computers will be your friend here. A similar question is posed frequently and I think always answered affirmatively. If you're email-only and haven't web access let me know and I'll collect a handful of the useful responses from the newsgroup and send them on to you. From vampire@ipv7.net Tue Nov 21 15:32:00 2006 From: vampire@ipv7.net (sadness) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:32:00 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Seeking a SparcServer 1000 power supply Message-ID: I've got a SparcServer 1000E with a broken power supply, if anyone here have a spare one to sell and can ship it to Italy, plese contact me. It's really sad to see my "new" toy not working. (a power supply from a non-E model is also good) Thanks Giuliano Paolo Brunetti .. www.ipv7.net / www.unsupported.info .. I have become comfortably numb. From ework0@gmail.com Fri Nov 24 01:17:55 2006 From: ework0@gmail.com (Eugene Work0) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:17:55 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display Message-ID: Hello, Solaris 10 (SPARC), running JDS, I run xterm but, when I use man command, for example, I can't see the text across the wide terminal, it's limit to 80 columns. My default shell is bash, I use the a wide resolution (exploting xvr 1000 capabilities), and the command: export COLUMNS=100 doesn't help. I don't know if I have to deal with tic or termcap files, I was not lucky changing (the behavoir of the) pager neither. Any workaround ? Thanks, From pgt@myrealbox.com Fri Nov 24 10:05:50 2006 From: pgt@myrealbox.com (Phillip Tong) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:05:50 +1100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4566C3FE.6080402@myrealbox.com> Eugene Work0 wrote: > Hello, > > Solaris 10 (SPARC), running JDS, I run xterm but, when I use man > command, for example, I can't see the text across the wide terminal, > it's limit to 80 columns. > > My default shell is bash, I use the a wide resolution (exploting xvr > 1000 capabilities), and the command: export COLUMNS=100 doesn't > help. I don't know if I have to deal with tic or termcap files, I was > not lucky changing (the behavoir of the) pager neither. > > Any workaround ? Try using the 'stty' command. I find I have to run it on some terminals that don't set the number of rows and columns automatically (and in these case, I usually have to set the TERM variable too). To see if this is the case, run 'stty -a' and read off the rows and columns values. To change it, run the following (using 43 lines/rows and, say, 100 columns in your case): stty rows 43 columns 100 I would also make sure your xterm window is that large (use the -g parameter to xterm to set it) before running this inside the xterm. See how you go. Regards, Phil. From donhotrains@cinci.rr.com Fri Nov 24 22:47:17 2006 From: donhotrains@cinci.rr.com (don) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #453 - 1 msg References: <20061124170517.A2AE793CF@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: <004e01c7101a$7e7cf120$0a00a8c0@GATEWAY> I think you will find that the man page formats were set back in the early 1970's, when everything was based on an 80 column card format. Terminals were also 80 columns wide, so man pages were formatted to fit nicely on this size screen. I think you will find, that if you cut your window down to less than 80 columns wide, the man pages will be truncated and not wrap around. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #453 - 1 msg > Send Suns-at-Home mailing list submissions to > suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > suns-at-home-request@net-kitchen.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > suns-at-home-admin@net-kitchen.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Suns-at-Home digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. xterm number of columns when performing man pages display (Eugene > Work0) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:17:55 -0600 > From: "Eugene Work0" > To: Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages > display > > Hello, > > Solaris 10 (SPARC), running JDS, I run xterm but, when I use man > command, for example, I can't see the text across the wide terminal, > it's limit to 80 columns. > > My default shell is bash, I use the a wide resolution (exploting xvr > 1000 capabilities), and the command: export COLUMNS=100 doesn't > help. I don't know if I have to deal with tic or termcap files, I was > not lucky changing (the behavoir of the) pager neither. > > Any workaround ? > > Thanks, > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home > > End of Suns-at-Home Digest From ework0@gmail.com Sat Nov 25 19:30:56 2006 From: ework0@gmail.com (Eugene Work0) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:30:56 -0600 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: <4566C3FE.6080402@myrealbox.com> References: <4566C3FE.6080402@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for your soon response, but, I regret to inform you that your workaround doesn't work. I am able to perform stty -a command and change columns to 192, for example, but I still see 80 columns when I perform the man page on a xterm window. I am using xterm because it's faster than JDS gnome-terminal. I use man pages actively, but this 80 columns limitation is pretty annoy. Any other workaround ? Thanks, Fabio On 11/24/06, Phillip Tong wrote: > Eugene Work0 wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Solaris 10 (SPARC), running JDS, I run xterm but, when I use man > > command, for example, I can't see the text across the wide terminal, > > it's limit to 80 columns. > > > > My default shell is bash, I use the a wide resolution (exploting xvr > > 1000 capabilities), and the command: export COLUMNS=100 doesn't > > help. I don't know if I have to deal with tic or termcap files, I was > > not lucky changing (the behavoir of the) pager neither. > > > > Any workaround ? > > Try using the 'stty' command. I find I have to run it on some terminals > that don't set the number of rows and columns automatically (and in > these case, I usually have to set the TERM variable too). > To see if this is the case, run 'stty -a' and read off the rows and > columns values. > > To change it, run the following (using 43 lines/rows and, say, 100 > columns in your case): > > stty rows 43 columns 100 > > I would also make sure your xterm window is that large (use the -g > parameter to xterm to set it) before running this inside the xterm. > > See how you go. > > Regards, > Phil. > From Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk Mon Nov 27 02:42:54 2006 From: Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk (Bob Hoekstra) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:42:54 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: References: <4566C3FE.6080402@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <456A50AE.3000807@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk> There is no way to get more than 80 columns from a program that is created to produce text in 80 column widths. Forget it. Unless you want to rewrite the nroff and SGML sources.... no, don't even go there. However, if you use man pages a lot, can I suggest you look at man2html? If you have a webserver available this creates a useful interface. Eugene Work0 wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks for your soon response, but, > > I regret to inform you that your workaround doesn't work. > > I am able to perform stty -a command and change columns to 192, for > example, but I still see 80 columns when I perform the man page on a > xterm window. > > I am using xterm because it's faster than JDS gnome-terminal. I use > man pages actively, but this 80 columns limitation is pretty annoy. > > > Any other workaround ? > > Thanks, > > Fabio > On 11/24/06, Phillip Tong wrote: >> Eugene Work0 wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Solaris 10 (SPARC), running JDS, I run xterm but, when I use man >> > command, for example, I can't see the text across the wide terminal, >> > it's limit to 80 columns. >> > >> > My default shell is bash, I use the a wide resolution (exploting xvr >> > 1000 capabilities), and the command: export COLUMNS=100 doesn't >> > help. I don't know if I have to deal with tic or termcap files, I was >> > not lucky changing (the behavoir of the) pager neither. >> > >> > Any workaround ? >> >> Try using the 'stty' command. I find I have to run it on some terminals >> that don't set the number of rows and columns automatically (and in >> these case, I usually have to set the TERM variable too). >> To see if this is the case, run 'stty -a' and read off the rows and >> columns values. >> >> To change it, run the following (using 43 lines/rows and, say, 100 >> columns in your case): >> >> stty rows 43 columns 100 >> >> I would also make sure your xterm window is that large (use the -g >> parameter to xterm to set it) before running this inside the xterm. >> >> See how you go. >> >> Regards, >> Phil. >> > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From nschmalenberger@fastmail.fm Mon Nov 27 05:57:33 2006 From: nschmalenberger@fastmail.fm (Nick Schmalenberger) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:57:33 -0800 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: References: <4566C3FE.6080402@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1164607053.22406.277547203@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:30:56 -0600, "Eugene Work0" said: > Hello, > > Thanks for your soon response, but, > > I regret to inform you that your workaround doesn't work. > > I am able to perform stty -a command and change columns to 192, for > example, but I still see 80 columns when I perform the man page on a > xterm window. > > I am using xterm because it's faster than JDS gnome-terminal. I use > man pages actively, but this 80 columns limitation is pretty annoy. > > > Any other workaround ? In Debian GNU/Linux this happens when the man pages are prerendered, which is an option in the configuration of the man page system. See if you can configure man page rendering in Solaris. Nick -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From blewis3@lucent.com Mon Nov 27 16:59:51 2006 From: blewis3@lucent.com (Lewis, Benjamin (Ben)) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:59:51 +0100 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: <456A50AE.3000807@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk> Message-ID: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E984BE910@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> > Unless you want to rewrite the nroff Hello Bob Just looked in my cupboard and found a manual titled "Memorandum Macros - Document Formatting and Typesetting on the UNIX System" by DW Smith. Copyright 1980 AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories. It's more or less a 345 page troff man page printed out and bound. Every now and then we find an old document typeset with troff about an obscure 5ESS circuit pack in the back of someones desk drawer and all the greybeards start reminiscing about nroff et al at the coffee machine. It usually sounds something like the Monty Python "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch:- 1st Greybeard : "In my day we didn't have none of your fancy mice, we had to type it all in by hand". 2nd Greybeard : "Keyboard!? Luxury! In my day we all we had were toggle switches and we liked 'em!". 3rd Greybeard : "Toggle switches! Pah! All we had was a ha'penny screw driver to short the pins". 4th Greybeard : "Screw driver!". etc etc... Best regards Ben From fabmirha@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr Thu Nov 23 06:02:01 2006 From: fabmirha@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr (Fabio Miranda Hamburger) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:02:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display Message-ID: Hello, Solaris 10 (SPARC), running JDS, I run xterm but, when I use man command, for example, I can't see the text across the wide terminal, it's limit to 80 columns. My default shell is bash, I use the a wide resolution (exploting xvr 1000 capabilities), and the command: export COLUMNS=100 doesn't help. I don't know if I have to deal with tic or termcap files, I was not lucky changing (the behavoir of the) pager neither. Any workaround ? Thanks, --- Fabio Andres Miranda Ingenieria de sistemas informaticos Universidad Latina - Costa Rica http://ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr/~fabmirha From Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk Mon Nov 27 22:17:08 2006 From: Bob.Hoekstra@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk (Bob Hoekstra) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:17:08 +0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E984BE910@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> References: <94333A1BF0D2684081652E54E0DE9E984BE910@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Message-ID: <456B63E4.40605@HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk> Thanks for that Ben. I've just turned 50 last week - does that lump me in with the greybeards? Like you sense of humour though. Strangely, just this morning I was listening to the bookshop sketch on my ipod :-) Lewis, Benjamin (Ben) wrote: >> Unless you want to rewrite the nroff > > Hello Bob > > Just looked in my cupboard and found a manual titled "Memorandum Macros > - Document Formatting and Typesetting on the UNIX System" by DW Smith. > Copyright 1980 AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories. It's more or less a 345 > page troff man page printed out and bound. > > Every now and then we find an old document typeset with troff about an > obscure 5ESS circuit pack in the back of someones desk drawer and all > the greybeards start reminiscing about nroff et al at the coffee > machine. It usually sounds something like the Monty Python "Four > Yorkshiremen" sketch:- > > 1st Greybeard : "In my day we didn't have none of your fancy mice, we > had to type it all in by hand". > 2nd Greybeard : "Keyboard!? Luxury! In my day we all we had were toggle > switches and we liked 'em!". > 3rd Greybeard : "Toggle switches! Pah! All we had was a ha'penny screw > driver to short the pins". > 4th Greybeard : "Screw driver!". > > etc etc... > > Best regards > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Suns-at-Home mailing list > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home From sastevens@earthlink.net Tue Nov 28 04:09:48 2006 From: sastevens@earthlink.net (Scott Stevens) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:09:48 -0500 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: <1164607053.22406.277547203@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4566C3FE.6080402@myrealbox.com> <1164607053.22406.277547203@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20061127230948.17ed49e4.sastevens@earthlink.net> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:57:33 -0800 "Nick Schmalenberger" wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:30:56 -0600, "Eugene Work0" > said: > > Hello, > > > > Thanks for your soon response, but, > > > > I regret to inform you that your workaround doesn't work. > > > > I am able to perform stty -a command and change columns to 192, for > > example, but I still see 80 columns when I perform the man page on a > > xterm window. > > > > I am using xterm because it's faster than JDS gnome-terminal. I use > > man pages actively, but this 80 columns limitation is pretty annoy. > > > > > > Any other workaround ? > In Debian GNU/Linux this happens when the man pages are prerendered, > which is an option in the configuration of the man page system. See if > you can configure man page rendering in Solaris. > Nick > My suggestion, since the original comment is about sizing the pages in an Xterm, would be to use Xman. Nice man pages, indexed and browsable by section, nice sized window in X to contain the pages. From chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Tue Nov 28 19:37:13 2006 From: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:37:13 -0000 Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: xterm number of columns when performing man pages display In-Reply-To: <20061128170532.0386193E9@tigger.net-kitchen.com> References: <20061128170532.0386193E9@tigger.net-kitchen.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:05:30 -0000, wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:59:51 +0100 > From: "Lewis, Benjamin \(Ben\)" > 1st Greybeard : "In my day we didn't have none of your fancy mice, we > had to type it all in by hand". > 2nd Greybeard : "Keyboard!? Luxury! In my day we all we had were toggle > switches and we liked 'em!". > 3rd Greybeard : "Toggle switches! Pah! All we had was a ha'penny screw > driver to short the pins". > 4th Greybeard : "Screw driver!". The trouble with all you beardless wonders is that you have forgotten your basic UNIX skills, of which writing NROFF is one. Find the file /usr/lib/tmac/an Find the line in it which says .nr LL \\n(.l and change it to .nr LL 130n or whatever width you want. Job done! > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:09:48 -0500 > From: Scott Stevens > My suggestion, since the original comment is about sizing the pages in > an Xterm, would be to use Xman. Nice man pages, indexed and browsable > by section, nice sized window in X to contain the pages. The trouble with xman is that it won't do the manual pages written in SGML (not that there are many of those left now). I have a program mxman, which is xman rewritten to use Motif instead of the clunky Athena Widgets. But I am still working on it, and likely to be in that state for a looong while to come :-( . But if my arm is twisted, I might put a sparc beta version up somewhere. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5