From alanf@dorje.com  Thu Feb  1 06:07:33 2001
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:07:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Alan Fleming alanf@dorje.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris/SysV style "ps" for Sparc/SunOS 4.1.3

Does anyone have a public domain replacement for "ps" that returns
Solaris (aka SysV) style data (aka "ps -eaf" rather than "ps -aux"
to get a complete process listing?

I've tried digging through SunSolve and the GNU web site but haven't
spotted anything.

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From matt@severian.chi.il.us  Thu Feb  1 03:56:39 2001
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:56:39 -0600
From: Matt Crawford matt@severian.chi.il.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Used Sun Machines

> > i've long gotten away with
> > stop-a
> > <plug in> or <unplug>
> > go
> 
> Okay, I admit I've done that to, not that I would *recommend*
> it (do as I say, not as I do). :-)

It always worked for me, too, although I could always imagine reasons
why I shouldn't be lucky each time.  But never a problem.



From tikeda@sprintmail.com  Thu Feb  1 02:27:03 2001
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:27:03 -0500
From: Tim Ikeda tikeda@sprintmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 memory configuration question

Hi all.
I'm new to running and maintaining my own Sun systems. I've
got a question about memory configurations:

Is it true that SS10s can only accept 16MB and 64MB DSIMMs?

That's what I'd assumed from reading the online manuals but
I sometimes see 32MB DSIMMs offered on Ebay and described
as being compatible with SS10s. I know SS20s can use those
DSIMMs but I can't find any other references for SS10s.

Also, I've never seen a source for the "nubs" used to mount
hard drives in an SS10 chassis. What are some good substitutes?

Thanks,
Tim Ikeda (tikeda@sprintmail.com)






From huge@huge.org.uk  Thu Feb  1 14:07:40 2001
Date: Thu,  1 Feb 2001 14:07:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: Huge huge@huge.org.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 memory configuration question

> 
> Also, I've never seen a source for the "nubs" used to mount
> hard drives in an SS10 chassis. What are some good substitutes?
> 

I've seen a trick recommended here; buy appropriate machine screws from
a hardware store, and cut down tap washers for the rubber bits...

Saves the $24 that Sun (outrageously) want to for 4 screws and 4 rubber
washers.

H.



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Thu Feb  1 13:50:15 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:50:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Solaris/SysV style "ps" for Sparc/SunOS 4.1.3

"From: Alan Fleming <alanf@dorje.com>
"
"Does anyone have a public domain replacement for "ps" that returns
"Solaris (aka SysV) style data (aka "ps -eaf" rather than "ps -aux"
"to get a complete process listing?

/usr/5bin/ps.
_____________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Thu Feb  1 13:49:19 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:49:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: SS10 memory configuration question

"From: Tim Ikeda <tikeda@sprintmail.com>
"
"Is it true that SS10s can only accept 16MB and 64MB DSIMMs?

officially...

"That's what I'd assumed from reading the online manuals but
"I sometimes see 32MB DSIMMs offered on Ebay and described
"as being compatible with SS10s. I know SS20s can use those
"DSIMMs but I can't find any other references for SS10s.

unofficially, late-rev obp versions can recognize 32M dsimms.  i don't
know the cutoff.  early revs treat them as either 16 or 64, i forget
which.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From mike_thomas@yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 13:55:31 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:55:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Thomas mike_thomas@yahoo.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

I currently have a stable of two Suns - a MP Sparc10 and an Ultra 1
200E (three if you count the disabled IPC :-)).  I run Solaris on both.
 I'm very happy with both, and particularly impressed by the Ultra's
speed vs. my expectations of it (for example, it takes exactly the same
amount of time to compile our entire Java project as my crappy 600mhz
Celeron Windows laptop, and runs many tools faster).

Anyway, to the point.  I'm going to be in a position to buy even faster
hardware very soon.  However, I'm on the fence.  There are many 300+
mhz Ultra units available on eBay (5, 10, 30, etc), with a monitor,
roughly in my price range (around $2000).  However, I could also buy a
smoking dual-700 mhz Intel-based machine, and monitor, for about the
same money, and run Linux on it.

I love the exclusivity of having a "Sparc shop" at home.  But I already
have that, in a way.  This time, I'm going to spend a more significant
amount of money, and I want to ensure that I get appropriate value for
it.  I understand that the SPARC architecture has higher throughput,
which may explain my Ultra's fine performance.  However, I'm also given
to understand that the Ultra 5 and 10 are not as "architecturally pure"
as the other Ultras, and that makes me wonder whether they'll be less
impressive at similar tasks than the "faster" PC hardware I can get for
the same money.

What do you guys think?  If someone gave you $2k to spend and told you
to choose between a SPARC from eBay and a dual 700 Pentium, what would
you do?  Not looking to start a religious war here, BTW, but I think
it's an interesting proposition.

Thanks...

----------------------------
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http://www.samoht.com/sparky
----------------------------


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From nico@gartengold.de  Thu Feb  1 13:12:37 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:12:37 +0100
From: Nico Goldschmidt nico@gartengold.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 memory configuration question

Hi.

> Is it true that SS10s can only accept 16MB and 64MB DSIMMs?
> 
> That's what I'd assumed from reading the online manuals but
> I sometimes see 32MB DSIMMs offered on Ebay and described
> as being compatible with SS10s. I know SS20s can use those
> DSIMMs but I can't find any other references for SS10s.
 
This depends on your BootROM revision. The older ones treat the 
32MB modules as 16MB, the newer ones recognize them 
correctly. I don't know which minimum revision is necessary, but 
the 32 MB modules didn't work in my SS10 with 2.12. After 
replacing it with 2.25 everything was OK. BootROM images for a 
replacement could be found at:
http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/data/bootroms.html

Regards,
Nico



From mpotter@atpco.com  Thu Feb  1 15:48:12 2001
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:48:12 -0500
From: Matthew Potter mpotter@atpco.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Upgrading a Sparc 5


> >2) How would I upgrade this Sparc to 110mhz (or whatever the fastest proc
> >was)?  Is it as simple as locating a 110mhz processor on eBay and swapping
> >them out?
>
> I'm no authority on that, but I would be quite doubtful that this would
> be all it would take.  If nothing else, I'd expect a crystal oscillator
> would likely need to be replaced.

Well desoldering a chip with a couple hundred pins(321 to be exact) is a pain
in the ass.... if I remeber correctly the CPU isn't on a socket. You can also
risk trashing the motherboard.... I'd just buy a 110 bare and then sell your
85 or something... Keep your ram and cards, etc....  the look on
sun.com/microelectronics under MicroSPARC II they have a datasheet for the
70,85,110. And from looking at the sheet, I think  you might need to do a
little more than just swap CPU's.....

Does Sun even make the 170 chip?




From Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil  Thu Feb  1 15:55:59 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:55:59 -0500
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Civ_HQ_ACC/DRKI?= Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

Mike,

I'd take the $2K and find an Ultra 2 on eBay.  I have an Ultra 1/140 and am
very happy with it.  Just wishing I could swing the Ultra 2.  Maybe next
year.

Jake
Ultra 1
Sparc 2 w/80Mhz Weitek

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Thomas [mailto:mike_thomas@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:56 AM
To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System


I currently have a stable of two Suns - a MP Sparc10 and an Ultra 1
200E (three if you count the disabled IPC :-)).  I run Solaris on both.
 I'm very happy with both, and particularly impressed by the Ultra's
speed vs. my expectations of it (for example, it takes exactly the same
amount of time to compile our entire Java project as my crappy 600mhz
Celeron Windows laptop, and runs many tools faster).

Anyway, to the point.  I'm going to be in a position to buy even faster
hardware very soon.  However, I'm on the fence.  There are many 300+
mhz Ultra units available on eBay (5, 10, 30, etc), with a monitor,
roughly in my price range (around $2000).  However, I could also buy a
smoking dual-700 mhz Intel-based machine, and monitor, for about the
same money, and run Linux on it.

I love the exclusivity of having a "Sparc shop" at home.  But I already
have that, in a way.  This time, I'm going to spend a more significant
amount of money, and I want to ensure that I get appropriate value for
it.  I understand that the SPARC architecture has higher throughput,
which may explain my Ultra's fine performance.  However, I'm also given
to understand that the Ultra 5 and 10 are not as "architecturally pure"
as the other Ultras, and that makes me wonder whether they'll be less
impressive at similar tasks than the "faster" PC hardware I can get for
the same money.

What do you guys think?  If someone gave you $2k to spend and told you
to choose between a SPARC from eBay and a dual 700 Pentium, what would
you do?  Not looking to start a religious war here, BTW, but I think
it's an interesting proposition.

Thanks...

----------------------------
This Old SPARC
http://www.samoht.com/sparky
----------------------------



From aad@talltree.net  Thu Feb  1 18:34:23 2001
Date: Thu,  1 Feb 2001 10:34:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris/SysV style "ps" for Sparc/SunOS 4.1.3

>Does anyone have a public domain replacement for "ps" that returns
>Solaris (aka SysV) style data (aka "ps -eaf" rather than "ps -aux"
>to get a complete process listing?

Curious - I always use /usr/ucb/ps on SunOS5 because the SysV-style
output is annoying.



From bri@sonicboom.org  Thu Feb  1 17:06:48 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:06:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian bri@sonicboom.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

I also would do the Ultra 2, and go multiproc if cash allowed.  I am not
sure if thats enough dough to buy one from a reseller, as opposed to ebay,
if that matters to you.  The 5 is pretty speedy, but I believe the 5 and
some other higher ultras have ide drives in them, so the question is do
you want that?

	Bri

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> I'd take the $2K and find an Ultra 2 on eBay.  I have an Ultra 1/140 and am
> very happy with it.  Just wishing I could swing the Ultra 2.  Maybe next
> year.
> 
> Jake
> Ultra 1
> Sparc 2 w/80Mhz Weitek
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Thomas [mailto:mike_thomas@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:56 AM
> To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com
> Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System
> 
> 
> I currently have a stable of two Suns - a MP Sparc10 and an Ultra 1
> 200E (three if you count the disabled IPC :-)).  I run Solaris on both.
>  I'm very happy with both, and particularly impressed by the Ultra's
> speed vs. my expectations of it (for example, it takes exactly the same
> amount of time to compile our entire Java project as my crappy 600mhz
> Celeron Windows laptop, and runs many tools faster).
> 
> Anyway, to the point.  I'm going to be in a position to buy even faster
> hardware very soon.  However, I'm on the fence.  There are many 300+
> mhz Ultra units available on eBay (5, 10, 30, etc), with a monitor,
> roughly in my price range (around $2000).  However, I could also buy a
> smoking dual-700 mhz Intel-based machine, and monitor, for about the
> same money, and run Linux on it.
> 
> I love the exclusivity of having a "Sparc shop" at home.  But I already
> have that, in a way.  This time, I'm going to spend a more significant
> amount of money, and I want to ensure that I get appropriate value for
> it.  I understand that the SPARC architecture has higher throughput,
> which may explain my Ultra's fine performance.  However, I'm also given
> to understand that the Ultra 5 and 10 are not as "architecturally pure"
> as the other Ultras, and that makes me wonder whether they'll be less
> impressive at similar tasks than the "faster" PC hardware I can get for
> the same money.
> 
> What do you guys think?  If someone gave you $2k to spend and told you
> to choose between a SPARC from eBay and a dual 700 Pentium, what would
> you do?  Not looking to start a religious war here, BTW, but I think
> it's an interesting proposition.
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> ----------------------------
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> http://www.samoht.com/sparky
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From Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil  Thu Feb  1 17:08:25 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:08:25 -0500
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=F6dersen_Jacob_K_Civ_HQ_ACC/DRKI?= Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

Brian,

Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.

Jake



From rcameron@engsoc.carleton.ca  Thu Feb  1 17:06:05 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:06:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Rob Cameron rcameron@engsoc.carleton.ca
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Upgrading a Sparc 5

I was under the impression Sun didn't make any of the CPUs that shipped
with the Sparc 5.

cat /etc/cpuinfo (in linux) on an 85 Mhz Sparc 5:

cpu		: Fujitsu  MB86904
fpu		: Lsi Logic/Meiko L64804 or compatible
promlib		: Version 3 Revision 2
prom		: 2.15
type		: sun4m
ncpus probed	: 1
ncpus active	: 1
BogoMips	: 84.78
MMU type	: Fujitsu Swift
invall		: 0
invmm		: 0
invrnge		: 0
invpg		: 0
contexts	: 256

cat /etc/cpuinfo (again in linux) on a 170 Mhz Sparc 5:

cpu		: Fujitsu TurboSparc MB86907
fpu		: reserved
promlib		: Version 3 Revision 2
prom		: 2.29
type		: sun4m
ncpus probed	: 1
ncpus active	: 1
BogoMips	: 169.57
MMU type	: Fujitsu TurboSparc
invall		: 36
invmm		: 1100
invrnge		: 1547
invpg		: 14450
contexts	: 256




On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Matthew Potter wrote:

>
>
> > >2) How would I upgrade this Sparc to 110mhz (or whatever the fastest proc
> > >was)?  Is it as simple as locating a 110mhz processor on eBay and swapping
> > >them out?
> >
> > I'm no authority on that, but I would be quite doubtful that this would
> > be all it would take.  If nothing else, I'd expect a crystal oscillator
> > would likely need to be replaced.
>
> Well desoldering a chip with a couple hundred pins(321 to be exact) is a pain
> in the ass.... if I remeber correctly the CPU isn't on a socket. You can also
> risk trashing the motherboard.... I'd just buy a 110 bare and then sell your
> 85 or something... Keep your ram and cards, etc....  the look on
> sun.com/microelectronics under MicroSPARC II they have a datasheet for the
> 70,85,110. And from looking at the sheet, I think  you might need to do a
> little more than just swap CPU's.....
>
> Does Sun even make the 170 chip?
>
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From bri@sonicboom.org  Thu Feb  1 17:35:29 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:35:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian bri@sonicboom.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

Thats why I suggested the 1/2 first.  IDE is getting better, and if this
is for a home lan, and not enterprise, one of the ata100 IBM Deskstars is
probably fast enuff, but if he either is in a many multiuser setting, or
just desires to be a Sun purist, then scsi is the way to go.

	Bri

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
> is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
> platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.
> 
> Jake
> 




From exec@dlc.fi  Thu Feb  1 17:12:17 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:12:17 +0200
From: Michael Maier exec@dlc.fi
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] spacclassic and memory?

I have an sparcclassic with 2x4MB +  4x1MB simms, now i bough two 8MB simms.
I heard that 36bit normal simms should be ok? Well i booted up the machine
and it says you have 16MB of memory (i removed all other memorys to test
these two). But then it says initializing memory and just stays there.. no
reaction? So are my 8MB simms broken or what's wrong?


Michael Maier




From zu22@andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Feb  1 19:05:08 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:05:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Zachary Uram zu22@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

most PC have IDE drive, u need buy SCSI host adapter card if u
want SCSI disk in PC

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
> is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
> platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.
> 
> Jake
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From negativl@best.com  Fri Feb  2 00:16:08 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:16:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Raymond Wong negativl@best.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Upgrading a Sparc 5

> I was under the impression Sun didn't make any of the CPUs that shipped
> with the Sparc 5.

Correct.  Sun doesn't make CPUs.

TI, LSI, Ross, Weitek, Fujitsu, etc. all made SPARC CPUs for Sun over the
years.

By the SS5 it was almost entirely TI and Fujitsu.

> > in the ass.... if I remeber correctly the CPU isn't on a socket. You can also

Depending on which subcontractor used, the SS5 might be socketed, or might
be soldered directly to the board.  The only sure way to know is to open
up the box and look.

Even if the CPU is socketed, you will likely find the osc and crystal
are soldered.  Look for an 8 pin SOIC surface mount chip and a 2 pin crystal.
Look for the silkscreen indicating where the 4 pin osc would go.  If it's
not obvious to you, STOP.  This is not a difficult process, but it's also
not a trivial one.  You should have enough electronics knowledge for it to
already be clear what to do.








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From tikeda@sprintmail.com  Fri Feb  2 00:21:40 2001
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:21:40 -0500
From: Tim Ikeda tikeda@sprintmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 memory configuration question

I asked: [...]
>> Is it true that SS10s can only accept 16MB and 64MB DSIMMs?
[...]
Niko:
>This depends on your BootROM revision. The older ones treat the 
>32MB modules as 16MB, the newer ones recognize them 
>correctly. I don't know which minimum revision is necessary, but 
>the 32 MB modules didn't work in my SS10 with 2.12. After 
>replacing it with 2.25 everything was OK. BootROM images for a 
>replacement could be found at:
>http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/data/bootroms.html

Sounds great, and thanks for the info, Niko (and Andrew). I was
concerned that the ability to use 32MB sims was a motherboard
version sort of thing.

One other question: Is there any specific way that the
memory banks should be filled when using the 32 MB modules
with other simms of mixed capacities?

As for the HD mounting idea: Another excuse to get out my
dremel. Thanks H.

- Tim Ikeda (tikeda@sprintmail.com)



From pinky@braincenter.de  Thu Feb  1 23:28:18 2001
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:28:18 +0100
From: Dirk Stapels pinky@braincenter.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

In my office we are using Ultra 2/2x300MHz with 1 Gig RAM. Some time ago
we had some extra money to spend, so we bought 2 Ultra 5/360 with 512 MB.
There is no single application where the U2 are not at least 3 to 10 times
faster than the U5. If you want a fast maschine stay away from U5. New
PCI-based suns are nice starting with the Ultra 60 which is way to
expensive for use at home. Get a cheap U2 from ebay.

Regards

Dirk


Mike Thomas schrieb:

> I currently have a stable of two Suns - a MP Sparc10 and an Ultra 1
> 200E (three if you count the disabled IPC :-)).  I run Solaris on both.
>  I'm very happy with both, and particularly impressed by the Ultra's
> speed vs. my expectations of it (for example, it takes exactly the same
> amount of time to compile our entire Java project as my crappy 600mhz
> Celeron Windows laptop, and runs many tools faster).
>
> Anyway, to the point.  I'm going to be in a position to buy even faster
> hardware very soon.  However, I'm on the fence.  There are many 300+
> mhz Ultra units available on eBay (5, 10, 30, etc), with a monitor,
> roughly in my price range (around $2000).  However, I could also buy a
> smoking dual-700 mhz Intel-based machine, and monitor, for about the
> same money, and run Linux on it.
>
> I love the exclusivity of having a "Sparc shop" at home.  But I already
> have that, in a way.  This time, I'm going to spend a more significant
> amount of money, and I want to ensure that I get appropriate value for
> it.  I understand that the SPARC architecture has higher throughput,
> which may explain my Ultra's fine performance.  However, I'm also given
> to understand that the Ultra 5 and 10 are not as "architecturally pure"
> as the other Ultras, and that makes me wonder whether they'll be less
> impressive at similar tasks than the "faster" PC hardware I can get for
> the same money.
>
> What do you guys think?  If someone gave you $2k to spend and told you
> to choose between a SPARC from eBay and a dual 700 Pentium, what would
> you do?  Not looking to start a religious war here, BTW, but I think
> it's an interesting proposition.
>
> Thanks...
>
> ----------------------------
> This Old SPARC
> http://www.samoht.com/sparky
> ----------------------------
>
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From jdd@cs.toronto.edu  Thu Feb  1 21:24:23 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:24:23 -0500
From: John DiMarco jdd@cs.toronto.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Upgrading a Sparc 5

In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0102011156480.8594-100000@hurricane>you write:
>
>I was under the impression Sun didn't make any of the CPUs that shipped
>with the Sparc 5.

Sun doesn't manufacture _any_ CPUs, it gets TI/LSI/Fujitsu/etc. to do it for
them.  Sun designs them, though, in conjunction with their fab partners.

Regards,

John
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From bdavies@hotmail.com  Thu Feb  1 22:52:17 2001
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:52:17 -0800
From: brian davies bdavies@hotmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

>From: Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI  <Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil>
>
>Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my 
>PC
>is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
>platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.

On the other hand, much as I vastly prefer SCSI, I'd be inclined to look at 
the U5/10 just for the PCI slots.

My work box is a U10 with the Sun PCi card.  If you need to run Windows 
(98/NT4/2000), but not as a primary machine this thing is mighty nice.  And 
relatively cheap ($500 new, less from Sun auction on eBay).

And if you go for a U5/10 I believe Sun has a reasonably priced (for Sun) 
SCSI card for them these days.

If built-in SCSI is important to you, how about an Ultra 30?  I've seen 
these pop up for around $2K - $3K fairly decently loaded.  They were 
orphaned by Sun pretty quickly after they came since the price difference 
between the single processor only U30 wasn't that much cheaper than the dual 
processor capable U60.

      brian
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From aad@talltree.net  Thu Feb  1 20:00:48 2001
Date: Thu,  1 Feb 2001 12:00:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

>Just say NO! to IDE drives.

Hence the AXi.



From s1gma@ureach.com  Fri Feb  2 03:50:50 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:50:50 -0500
From: Steve Ashbrook s1gma@ureach.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sm81 cpu's for sale

i have 4 sm81 cpu's.
make an offer on any or all.

contact me off list.
ashbrook@crosswinds.net

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From lonstein@agoron.com  Fri Feb  2 03:15:19 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:15:19 -0500
From: R. Lonstein lonstein@agoron.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Tatung Super Compstation 20sl Info?

I am the owner of a Tatung Super CompStation 20, a SparcStation 20
clone. It's a nice machine and I've been using it as-is for months but
I have no documentation for it and Tatung no longer sells the manuals
nor offers them in electronic form. I have upgraded the RAM and HD
successfully but I am considering a Ross CPU upgrade.

My questions:
 * Does anyone have information on this model?
 * Is it really identical to the SS20? For example, the internal SCSI
   connector is HD68 with a 50pin ribbon adapter; are there any other
   differences?
 * Does the Tatung use a standard OpenBoot PROM (ie. can I just pop in a
   v2.25 PROM)?

Thanks in advance,
Ross



From bdavies@hotmail.com  Fri Feb  2 18:10:21 2001
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:10:21 -0800
From: brian davies bdavies@hotmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

>>I wrote:
>v_b wrote:
>>My work box is a U10 with the Sun PCi card.  If you need to run Windows 
>>(98/NT4/2000), but not as a primary machine this thing is mighty nice.  
>>And relatively cheap ($500 new, less from Sun auction on eBay).
>
>How does the Sun PCi work though?  What kind of software does it need to 
>run Win32?  Do you boot it to Solaris first and then run Windows???  When 
>we bought our U5s and a U10, we threw all those cards out of the boxes (the 
>machines were to be used solely as UNIX servers - enterprise servers, at 
>that).

The card, for those of you who aren't familiar with it, takes up 2 PCI slots 
in the machine.  There are two versions of the card.  The older version has 
an AMD 400MHz cpu and two SIMM slots for up to 128 MB of it's own memory.  
The newer version is a Intel Celeron 600MHz cpu and will support up to 512 
MB memory.  Both have their own paralell and serial ports, a USB port, audio 
in/out, and will support it's own monitor.  The older card, at least, uses 
standard PC memory (PC133 I believe).  Non-Sun memory voids the warranty, 
but I haven't had any problems so far.  It can either share your SPARC's IP 
address, or have its own (I think - mine is sharing the IP).

You need to supply your own Windows software with the card.  The card I have 
supports 98 and NT4, which is what I'm running.  The new card supports 98, 
NT4, and 2000.  I'm guessing that the version I have supports 2000, but I 
don't have enough of a need to change to deal with upgrading.

The operation of the card is very similar to the old SunPC software for the 
folks that have used it - although the performance is much better since I'm 
not sharing memory with my SPARC anymore.  To use the card, you boot into 
Solaris and then launch the SunPCi application.  This opens up a window and 
get to watch the standard Microsoft booting process.  To load the software 
you basically assign a chunk of disk over to the card which becomes your C:\ 
drive.  Once you're loaded up, the Windows portion of the machine can join 
your NT domain and play all of the reindeer games you'd expect from a PC.  
There are also a number of utilities that let you transfer files back and 
forth between your Unix and PC filesystems.

The card has been very useful for me since I only have the one machine, but 
I can still run things like Visio.

Any interest in getting rid of one of the cards you yanked out?  I've been 
thinking about upgrading my box at home specifically so I can get one of the 
Sun PCi cards.  StarOffice doesn't quite cut it for my wife when she's 
working at home and it would be nice to have access to the Windows apps 
without supporting a second machine.  Let me know offline.

      brian
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From aad@talltree.net  Fri Feb  2 16:50:19 2001
Date: Fri,  2 Feb 2001 08:50:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

>On the other hand, much as I vastly prefer SCSI, I'd be inclined to look at 
>the U5/10 just for the PCI slots.

So get an AXi or an AXdp.



From bri@sonicboom.org  Fri Feb  2 17:59:52 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:59:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian bri@sonicboom.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris is downloadable now

Sun ISO images are downloadable now for Sparc and Intel..
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/get.html

	Brian




From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Fri Feb  2 13:33:07 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:33:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: SS10 memory configuration question

"From: Tim Ikeda <tikeda@sprintmail.com>
"
"One other question: Is there any specific way that the
"memory banks should be filled when using the 32 MB modules
"with other simms of mixed capacities?

i believe sun recommended sorting them by size and installing the
biggest first.
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From v_bender@hotmail.com  Fri Feb  2 15:34:12 2001
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:34:12 +0200
From: v b v_bender@hotmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

>From: "brian davies" <bdavies@hotmail.com>
>To: Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil, bri@sonicboom.org
>CC: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com
>Subject: RE: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:52:17 -0800
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
>
>My work box is a U10 with the Sun PCi card.  If you need to run Windows 
>(98/NT4/2000), but not as a primary machine this thing is mighty nice.  And 
>relatively cheap ($500 new, less from Sun auction on eBay).

How does the Sun PCi work though?  What kind of software does it need to run 
Win32?  Do you boot it to Solaris first and then run Windows???  When we 
bought our U5s and a U10, we threw all those cards out of the boxes (the 
machines were to be used solely as UNIX servers - enterprise servers, at 
that).

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From jdd@cs.toronto.edu  Fri Feb  2 14:33:52 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:33:52 -0500
From: John DiMarco jdd@cs.toronto.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

Dirk Stapels writes:
>In my office we are using Ultra 2/2x300MHz with 1 Gig RAM. Some time ago
>we had some extra money to spend, so we bought 2 Ultra 5/360 with 512 MB.
>There is no single application where the U2 are not at least 3 to 10 times
>faster than the U5. If you want a fast maschine stay away from U5. New
>PCI-based suns are nice starting with the Ultra 60 which is way to
>expensive for use at home. Get a cheap U2 from ebay.

Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI Writes:
>Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
>is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
>platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.

It's best to approach these comparisons with a little bit of thought.  Dirk's
Ultra 5/360 has a small 256k secondary cache; his Ultra 2/2300 has at least a
1MB secondary cache.  No doubt this has a certain effect on the performance
comparison.  As for Jacob's concerns about EIDE, well, the Ultra 5 doesn't
come with a particularly quick EIDE drive, and further, Sun's SPARC/Solaris
IDE drivers are not as spritely as they could be.

But there's nothing wrong with the Ultra 5/10 itself.  If you need a large
secondary cache, get a model that has a large cache.  If you need a faster
hard drive, replace the slow one that Sun provides.  If you need SCSI, add a
SCSI controller.  Quit complaining about how the Ultra 5 is slow -- it's not,
if you configure it properly.

Regards,

John
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From jrankin@jeffr.net  Fri Feb  2 20:33:12 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:33:12 -0500 (EST)
From: W. Jeffrey Rankin jrankin@jeffr.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, John DiMarco wrote:

> Dirk Stapels writes:
> >In my office we are using Ultra 2/2x300MHz with 1 Gig RAM. Some time ago
> >we had some extra money to spend, so we bought 2 Ultra 5/360 with 512 MB.
> >There is no single application where the U2 are not at least 3 to 10 times
> >faster than the U5. If you want a fast maschine stay away from U5. New
> >PCI-based suns are nice starting with the Ultra 60 which is way to
> >expensive for use at home. Get a cheap U2 from ebay.
> 
> Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI Writes:
> >Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
> >is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
> >platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.
> 
> It's best to approach these comparisons with a little bit of thought.  Dirk's
> Ultra 5/360 has a small 256k secondary cache; his Ultra 2/2300 has at least a
> 1MB secondary cache.  No doubt this has a certain effect on the performance
> comparison.  As for Jacob's concerns about EIDE, well, the Ultra 5 doesn't
> come with a particularly quick EIDE drive, and further, Sun's SPARC/Solaris
> IDE drivers are not as spritely as they could be.

The Ultra 5 (400MHz) I picked up new (direct from Sun) a few months ago
came with a fairly fast (7200 rpm) 9 gig disk, and 1 meg cache. I've heard
that older models only came with a 5000 rpm (or something like that) disk
and the 256K cache you mentioned.

I've been very happy with this machine for the kind of development work I
do (Web work, Perl scripting, LaTeX development, etc., some 2-D
graphics). Direct from Sun, I paid about $1950.00.

I do have a Dual-pentium 450 that I develop on as well, and while NT and
2000 run wonderfully with this box, Linux honestly didn't seem to take
advantage of the machines capability. This was a while back, however, and
perhaps Linux now takes better advantage of SMP. Another problem was video
support, Linux didn't take advantage of the 3-D Labs card in the machine,
which just seemed too much of a waste to me.

I'd forget Ebay, and get a new Ultra 5 or 10 from direct from Sun. Note
that this doesn't include the monitor.

Just my thoughts!
- Jeff




From pinky@braincenter.de  Fri Feb  2 20:58:22 2001
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:58:22 +0100
From: Dirk Stapels pinky@braincenter.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

Hi Mike,

several of the guys told you to buy an AXi board. Think that is a good
idea. Fits into ATX-Chassis so you can build up your own system. Just take
care you don't take the 360MHz/256KB CPU. According to my local dealer it
is like JohnDiMarco said in his EMail. The smaller cache slows it down.
333MHz/1MB is a lot faster. But hard to get. Saw two AXis on Ebay Germany
some weeks ago. Were sold for about $300 incl. 360 CPU. Might be something
you should look for. Specs are on the SunServer.

regards

Dirk


Mike Thomas schrieb:

> Thanks.  That's exactly the kind of hard performance info I was looking
> for.  Believe me, I'd love to have an Ultra 2.  Problem is, there are
> no "cheap" U2's on eBay - they're all way out of my price range, i.e.
> $3-$5k.
>
> Thanks again...
>
> --- Dirk Stapels <pinky@braincenter.de> wrote:
> > In my office we are using Ultra 2/2x300MHz with 1 Gig RAM. Some time
> > ago
> > we had some extra money to spend, so we bought 2 Ultra 5/360 with 512
> > MB.
> > There is no single application where the U2 are not at least 3 to 10
> > times
> > faster than the U5. If you want a fast maschine stay away from U5.
> > New
> > PCI-based suns are nice starting with the Ultra 60 which is way to
> > expensive for use at home. Get a cheap U2 from ebay.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> >
> > Mike Thomas schrieb:
> >
> > > I currently have a stable of two Suns - a MP Sparc10 and an Ultra 1
> > > 200E (three if you count the disabled IPC :-)).  I run Solaris on
> > both.
> > >  I'm very happy with both, and particularly impressed by the
> > Ultra's
> > > speed vs. my expectations of it (for example, it takes exactly the
> > same
> > > amount of time to compile our entire Java project as my crappy
> > 600mhz
> > > Celeron Windows laptop, and runs many tools faster).
> > >
> > > Anyway, to the point.  I'm going to be in a position to buy even
> > faster
> > > hardware very soon.  However, I'm on the fence.  There are many
> > 300+
> > > mhz Ultra units available on eBay (5, 10, 30, etc), with a monitor,
> > > roughly in my price range (around $2000).  However, I could also
> > buy a
> > > smoking dual-700 mhz Intel-based machine, and monitor, for about
> > the
> > > same money, and run Linux on it.
> > >
> > > I love the exclusivity of having a "Sparc shop" at home.  But I
> > already
> > > have that, in a way.  This time, I'm going to spend a more
> > significant
> > > amount of money, and I want to ensure that I get appropriate value
> > for
> > > it.  I understand that the SPARC architecture has higher
> > throughput,
> > > which may explain my Ultra's fine performance.  However, I'm also
> > given
> > > to understand that the Ultra 5 and 10 are not as "architecturally
> > pure"
> > > as the other Ultras, and that makes me wonder whether they'll be
> > less
> > > impressive at similar tasks than the "faster" PC hardware I can get
> > for
> > > the same money.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?  If someone gave you $2k to spend and told
> > you
> > > to choose between a SPARC from eBay and a dual 700 Pentium, what
> > would
> > > you do?  Not looking to start a religious war here, BTW, but I
> > think
> > > it's an interesting proposition.
> > >
> > > Thanks...
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From exec@dlc.fi  Fri Feb  2 21:40:47 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:40:47 +0200
From: Michael Maier exec@dlc.fi
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sparc and disk suspend?

Is it possible to suspend harddisk(sparcclassic/scsi)? I'm using NetBSD and
there are no disk activity at nights when i'm sleeping ;) so i tought it
would be little more quiet if it's possible to suspend the harddisk.

Michaeö




From nico@gartengold.de  Fri Feb  2 21:34:54 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:34:54 +0100
From: Nico Goldschmidt nico@gartengold.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 memory configuration question

Hi Tim.

> One other question: Is there any specific way that the
> memory banks should be filled when using the 32 MB modules
> with other simms of mixed capacities?
You have to start with the biggest module in Slot J0201 and the fill 
up in the following order: J0304, J0203, J0302, J0303, J0301, 
J0305, J0202.
For further information have a look at the Service Manual:
http://docs.sun.com:80/ab2/coll.208.1/SMSS10/@Ab2TocView?Ab
2Lang=de&Ab2Enc=iso-8859-1

Regards,
Nico





From bri@sonicboom.org  Sat Feb  3 01:34:02 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:34:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian bri@sonicboom.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

ack, make that www.sun.com/auctions.

	Bri

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Brian wrote:

> By the way, new from Sun ebay listings can be found starting at
> auctions.sun.com, though the page is unavailable at the moment, and I also
> see the ultra5 now sporting a 2mb l2 cache.
> 
> 	Bri 
> 
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, W. Jeffrey Rankin wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, John DiMarco wrote:
> > 
> > > Dirk Stapels writes:
> > > >In my office we are using Ultra 2/2x300MHz with 1 Gig RAM. Some time ago
> > > >we had some extra money to spend, so we bought 2 Ultra 5/360 with 512 MB.
> > > >There is no single application where the U2 are not at least 3 to 10 times
> > > >faster than the U5. If you want a fast maschine stay away from U5. New
> > > >PCI-based suns are nice starting with the Ultra 60 which is way to
> > > >expensive for use at home. Get a cheap U2 from ebay.
> > > 
> > > Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI Writes:
> > > >Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
> > > >is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
> > > >platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.
> > > 
> > > It's best to approach these comparisons with a little bit of thought.  Dirk's
> > > Ultra 5/360 has a small 256k secondary cache; his Ultra 2/2300 has at least a
> > > 1MB secondary cache.  No doubt this has a certain effect on the performance
> > > comparison.  As for Jacob's concerns about EIDE, well, the Ultra 5 doesn't
> > > come with a particularly quick EIDE drive, and further, Sun's SPARC/Solaris
> > > IDE drivers are not as spritely as they could be.
> > 
> > The Ultra 5 (400MHz) I picked up new (direct from Sun) a few months ago
> > came with a fairly fast (7200 rpm) 9 gig disk, and 1 meg cache. I've heard
> > that older models only came with a 5000 rpm (or something like that) disk
> > and the 256K cache you mentioned.
> > 
> > I've been very happy with this machine for the kind of development work I
> > do (Web work, Perl scripting, LaTeX development, etc., some 2-D
> > graphics). Direct from Sun, I paid about $1950.00.
> > 
> > I do have a Dual-pentium 450 that I develop on as well, and while NT and
> > 2000 run wonderfully with this box, Linux honestly didn't seem to take
> > advantage of the machines capability. This was a while back, however, and
> > perhaps Linux now takes better advantage of SMP. Another problem was video
> > support, Linux didn't take advantage of the 3-D Labs card in the machine,
> > which just seemed too much of a waste to me.
> > 
> > I'd forget Ebay, and get a new Ultra 5 or 10 from direct from Sun. Note
> > that this doesn't include the monitor.
> > 
> > Just my thoughts!
> > - Jeff
> > 
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> > 
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From bri@sonicboom.org  Sat Feb  3 01:32:01 2001
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:32:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian bri@sonicboom.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

By the way, new from Sun ebay listings can be found starting at
auctions.sun.com, though the page is unavailable at the moment, and I also
see the ultra5 now sporting a 2mb l2 cache.

	Bri 

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, W. Jeffrey Rankin wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, John DiMarco wrote:
> 
> > Dirk Stapels writes:
> > >In my office we are using Ultra 2/2x300MHz with 1 Gig RAM. Some time ago
> > >we had some extra money to spend, so we bought 2 Ultra 5/360 with 512 MB.
> > >There is no single application where the U2 are not at least 3 to 10 times
> > >faster than the U5. If you want a fast maschine stay away from U5. New
> > >PCI-based suns are nice starting with the Ultra 60 which is way to
> > >expensive for use at home. Get a cheap U2 from ebay.
> > 
> > Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI Writes:
> > >Just say NO! to IDE drives.  SCSI rules in the enterprise arena.  Even my PC
> > >is running Ultra160 SCSI.  It just plain rocks!!!  Stick with the Ultra 1/2
> > >platforms.  The U/5 just doesn't do anything for me.
> > 
> > It's best to approach these comparisons with a little bit of thought.  Dirk's
> > Ultra 5/360 has a small 256k secondary cache; his Ultra 2/2300 has at least a
> > 1MB secondary cache.  No doubt this has a certain effect on the performance
> > comparison.  As for Jacob's concerns about EIDE, well, the Ultra 5 doesn't
> > come with a particularly quick EIDE drive, and further, Sun's SPARC/Solaris
> > IDE drivers are not as spritely as they could be.
> 
> The Ultra 5 (400MHz) I picked up new (direct from Sun) a few months ago
> came with a fairly fast (7200 rpm) 9 gig disk, and 1 meg cache. I've heard
> that older models only came with a 5000 rpm (or something like that) disk
> and the 256K cache you mentioned.
> 
> I've been very happy with this machine for the kind of development work I
> do (Web work, Perl scripting, LaTeX development, etc., some 2-D
> graphics). Direct from Sun, I paid about $1950.00.
> 
> I do have a Dual-pentium 450 that I develop on as well, and while NT and
> 2000 run wonderfully with this box, Linux honestly didn't seem to take
> advantage of the machines capability. This was a while back, however, and
> perhaps Linux now takes better advantage of SMP. Another problem was video
> support, Linux didn't take advantage of the 3-D Labs card in the machine,
> which just seemed too much of a waste to me.
> 
> I'd forget Ebay, and get a new Ultra 5 or 10 from direct from Sun. Note
> that this doesn't include the monitor.
> 
> Just my thoughts!
> - Jeff
> 
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From aad@talltree.net  Sat Feb  3 02:30:24 2001
Date: Fri,  2 Feb 2001 18:30:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] re: AXi speeds

>Just take
>care you don't take the 360MHz/256KB CPU. According to my local dealer
>it is like JohnDiMarco said in his EMail. The smaller cache slows it down.
>333MHz/1MB is a lot faster

And the 440/2MB?



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Sat Feb  3 06:16:18 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:16:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: sparc and disk suspend?

"From: "Michael Maier" <exec@dlc.fi>
"
"Is it possible to suspend harddisk(sparcclassic/scsi)? I'm using NetBSD and
"there are no disk activity at nights when i'm sleeping ;) so i tought it
"would be little more quiet if it's possible to suspend the harddisk.

i believe that 'sleep' mode is supported on the classic.  you need
solaris 2.6 or later [maybe 2.5?] and the power management packages.
dunno if anyone else has drivers for the power chips.
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From gnichols@qwest.net  Sat Feb  3 12:02:08 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 05:02:08 -0700
From: Gary Nichols gnichols@qwest.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory?  Or Not Sun Memory?

First of all, thank you all for your answers to my question on upgrading my
sparc 5.  I'm definately asking questions in the right place. :)

I was wondering if anyone on this list could look at these two pictures of
memory I recently purchased:

http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory1.jpg
http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory2.jpg

And tell me what the heck do they go to?  The seller told me he though they
were Sun memory???

I've searched the vast reaches of the internet and now my head hurts.

Cheers,

Gary




From gnichols@qwest.net  Sat Feb  3 17:38:57 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:38:57 -0700
From: Gary Nichols gnichols@qwest.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory?  Or Not Sun Memory?

Thank you all for the fantastic (and FAST) feedback I've gotten.  You guys
are the best!  Here's the '501' number as requested...
501262278066681

Best Regards,
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Williams [ Aka Mowat ] [mailto:mowat@wolfsong.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:32 AM
To: Gary Nichols
Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory? Or Not Sun Memory?


They are sun memory probably for an ultra 1-2 or a sparc 20
look/get the 501 number up there at the top of the strip that is
the sun part number

Matthew

Gary Nichols wrote:

> First of all, thank you all for your answers to my question on upgrading
my
> sparc 5.  I'm definately asking questions in the right place. :)
>
> I was wondering if anyone on this list could look at these two pictures of
> memory I recently purchased:
>
> http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory1.jpg
> http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory2.jpg
>
> And tell me what the heck do they go to?  The seller told me he though
they
> were Sun memory???
>
> I've searched the vast reaches of the internet and now my head hurts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
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From jeffw@smoe.org  Sat Feb  3 17:28:25 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:28:25 -0500
From: Jeff Wasilko jeffw@smoe.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory?  Or Not Sun Memory?

On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 05:02:08AM -0700, Gary Nichols wrote:
> First of all, thank you all for your answers to my question on upgrading my
> sparc 5.  I'm definately asking questions in the right place. :)
> 
> I was wondering if anyone on this list could look at these two pictures of
> memory I recently purchased:
> 
> http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory1.jpg
> http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory2.jpg
> 
> And tell me what the heck do they go to?  The seller told me he though they
> were Sun memory???

It looks like Sparc10/20/Ultra memory.

If you can get me the part number from the tiny barcode strip
(5xx-xxxx) I can tell you what it really is.

-jeff



From bcook@idsi.net  Sat Feb  3 18:59:24 2001
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 13:59:24 -0500
From: B. Cook bcook@idsi.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1's and Ultra10's

Has anyone successfully put something other that linux and solaris on
one of these?

I'm trying to load NetBSD (which they say that in 1.5 all the Ultra's
are supported).  It needs to be loaded either from Solaris or you can do
a tftp install but I just seem to be having alot of trouble with it;
Just wondering if anyone has successfully done it.

I got slackware for Ultra @ linux-expo the other day, and spoke to the
people at the NetBSD booth but they (bsd folks) didn't know much about
the Ultra's  install.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Brian



From garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com  Mon Feb  5 04:07:38 2001
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:07:38 -0600
From: Garry Garrett garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Tatung Super Compstation 20sl Info?

Sorry, I know very little about Tatung other than they are the
only Clone maker that still makes their own motherboards (the
rest of them buy motherboards from Sun).  If they make their
own boards, they may well make their own PROMs, perhaps with
their own firmware.

"R. Lonstein" wrote:
> 
> I am the owner of a Tatung Super CompStation 20, a SparcStation 20
> clone. It's a nice machine and I've been using it as-is for months but
> I have no documentation for it and Tatung no longer sells the manuals
> nor offers them in electronic form. I have upgraded the RAM and HD
> successfully but I am considering a Ross CPU upgrade.
> 
> My questions:
>  * Does anyone have information on this model?
>  * Is it really identical to the SS20? For example, the internal SCSI
>    connector is HD68 with a 50pin ribbon adapter; are there any other
>    differences?
>  * Does the Tatung use a standard OpenBoot PROM (ie. can I just pop in a
>    v2.25 PROM)?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ross
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From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Sun Feb  4 04:21:56 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:21:56 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1's and Ultra10's

> Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1's and Ultra10's

> I'm trying to load NetBSD (which they say that in 1.5 all the Ultra's
> are supported).  It needs to be loaded either from Solaris or you can
> do a tftp install but I just seem to be having alot of trouble with
> it; Just wondering if anyone has successfully done it.

I haven't, but I do have a remark: I have found that quite often, the
least painful way to install on a new machine is to pop the disk on
another machine and set it up there.  Sometimes this means building
machine A's installboot (or whatever port A uses for that) on machine
B, but that's often less hair than trying to convince install
procedures to DTRT.

Another alternative which has been known to work for me is to boot the
new machine completely diskless, get it working that way, and only then
connect up a disk and do an install onto it.

If you're in Montreal I can drop by and see what I can do...but that
seems unlikely. :-(

					der Mouse

			       mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca
		     7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B



From jeffw@smoe.org  Sat Feb  3 19:20:42 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:20:42 -0500
From: Jeff Wasilko jeffw@smoe.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory?  Or Not Sun Memory?

On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 10:38:57AM -0700, Gary Nichols wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for the fantastic (and FAST) feedback I've gotten.  You guys
> are the best!  Here's the '501' number as requested...
> 501262278066681

They're 32M simms for Ultra boxes:

http://www.memoryx.net/x7002a.html


> 
> Best Regards,
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Williams [ Aka Mowat ] [mailto:mowat@wolfsong.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Gary Nichols
> Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory? Or Not Sun Memory?
> 
> 
> They are sun memory probably for an ultra 1-2 or a sparc 20
> look/get the 501 number up there at the top of the strip that is
> the sun part number
> 
> Matthew
> 
> Gary Nichols wrote:
> 
> > First of all, thank you all for your answers to my question on upgrading
> my
> > sparc 5.  I'm definately asking questions in the right place. :)
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone on this list could look at these two pictures of
> > memory I recently purchased:
> >
> > http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory1.jpg
> > http://www.garynichols.com/content/ebay/memory2.jpg
> >
> > And tell me what the heck do they go to?  The seller told me he though
> they
> > were Sun memory???
> >
> > I've searched the vast reaches of the internet and now my head hurts.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Suns-at-Home mailing list
> > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com
> > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home
> 
> 
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From garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com  Mon Feb  5 04:19:22 2001
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:19:22 -0600
From: Garry Garrett garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sparc and disk suspend?

Michael Maier wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to suspend harddisk(sparcclassic/scsi)? I'm using NetBSD and
> there are no disk activity at nights when i'm sleeping ;) so i tought it
> would be little more quiet if it's possible to suspend the harddisk.

You could shutdown and power down the system.  Aside from
that, there are (probably) daemons that are actually writing
(perhaps to /var) during the night, as long as your Sun is
still running.

Some hard drives, drives that were designed to run 7x24, have 
a lubricant that can gel up if it sits for too long (particularly
in a cold room, which is probably not the case with you).  This
problem, known as "sticktion", makes me warry of shutting down
SCSI hard drives (particularly 1GB-4GB ones, which are the right
vintage for having this problem, Seagate ST32550 2GB drives,
which were popular for Suns, are known to have this problem).

If this is a noise problem, the thing that makes the most noise
is probably the fan.  You'll want to shut down the system to
shutdown the fan.  Another idea is to get an extension cord
for the monitor and keyboard, and put your system somewhere
farther away, like in another room.  Just a thought.

-- 
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http://garrett.no-ip.com/ 

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From mjevans@bellatlantic.net  Sat Feb  3 15:13:16 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:13:16 -0000
From: mjevans mjevans@bellatlantic.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ss5 memory

Hello everyone. I am new to this so I hope I am not asking a stupid
question. I recently purchased a ss5 and I have been told that I can use
certain dimms from Mac system. as long as it is 5v parity. is this true ?
thanks for you assistance.

Mike




From billj@ieee.org  Sun Feb  4 01:26:52 2001
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:26:52 -0800
From: Bill Janssen billj@ieee.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Extra 4 meg 30 pin SIMMs

I picked up a double handful of 4 Meg 30 pin SIMMs today and don't
really
have any use for them.

You pay shipping and any gratuity you thing suitable.

I have 32 of them. Some are (I think) 70 nanosecond and some are 80
Nanosecond.


Bill K7NOM (shipping from Sacramento California)



From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Sun Feb  4 00:52:16 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:52:16 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sparc and disk suspend?

> Is it possible to suspend harddisk(sparcclassic/scsi)?

This is a question for your OS, mostly; the hardware has comparatively
little to do with it (for most meanings of "suspend").

If you mean turn off power to the disk, most hardware can't do that,
though laptops may be set up to.

If you mean just spin it down, that's comparatively easy.

> I'm using NetBSD and there are no disk activity at nights when i'm
> sleeping ;) so i tought it would be little more quiet if it's
> possible to suspend the harddisk.

In principle, yes, assuming there is any command the disk is willing to
interpret as "spin down".  (Opcode 0x1b, with 0x00 in the fifth byte,
looks promising.)

AFAIK the drivers aren't set up to do it.  I'll play with it some when
I get some free time and see if I can hack in code to do this (and, of
course, spin the disk back up on next access).

					der Mouse

			       mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca
		     7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B



From negativl@best.com  Sat Feb  3 22:14:20 2001
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:14:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Raymond Wong negativl@best.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun Memory?  Or Not Sun Memory?



Gary Nichols wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for the fantastic (and FAST) feedback I've gotten.  You guys
> are the best!  Here's the '501' number as requested...
> 501262278066681

Looks like a 32Meg for SS20, if memory serves... definitely in that
era.

has anyone found a source of the old portable sized FE handbooks, btw?

Ray










Ray Wong                                               PO BOX 6163
negativl at best.com, negativl at netcom.com           Hayward, CA 94540-6163
Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club
Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club



From bruce@pullig.com  Mon Feb  5 16:05:35 2001
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:05:35 -0600
From: Bruce Pullig bruce@pullig.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Tatung Super Compstation 20sl Info?

I have both a Tatung 20s and a Sun SPARCstation 20 with Ross RT-626
CPUs(200Mhz) and the prom in both are 2.25R.

Bruce Pullig
bruce@pullig.com
www.pullig.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Garry Garrett
To: R. Lonstein
Cc: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Tatung Super Compstation 20sl Info?


Sorry, I know very little about Tatung other than they are the
only Clone maker that still makes their own motherboards (the
rest of them buy motherboards from Sun).  If they make their
own boards, they may well make their own PROMs, perhaps with
their own firmware.

"R. Lonstein" wrote:
>
> I am the owner of a Tatung Super CompStation 20, a SparcStation 20
> clone. It's a nice machine and I've been using it as-is for months but
> I have no documentation for it and Tatung no longer sells the manuals
> nor offers them in electronic form. I have upgraded the RAM and HD
> successfully but I am considering a Ross CPU upgrade.
>
> My questions:
>  * Does anyone have information on this model?
>  * Is it really identical to the SS20? For example, the internal SCSI
>    connector is HD68 with a 50pin ribbon adapter; are there any other
>    differences?
>  * Does the Tatung use a standard OpenBoot PROM (ie. can I just pop in a
>    v2.25 PROM)?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ross
> _______________________________________________
> Suns-at-Home mailing list
> Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com
> http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home

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From aad@talltree.net  Mon Feb  5 18:47:58 2001
Date: Mon,  5 Feb 2001 10:47:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Tatung Super Compstation 20sl Info?

>Sorry, I know very little about Tatung other than they are the
>only Clone maker that still makes their own motherboards 

Perhaps for some models, but my U10-style machine is an AXi.



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Mon Feb  5 19:49:15 2001
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:49:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Ultra1's and Ultra10's

"From: der Mouse  <mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca>
"
"Another alternative which has been known to work for me is to boot the
"new machine completely diskless, get it working that way, and only then
"connect up a disk and do an install onto it.

[putting on pro hat] this is also an excellent way to do disaster
recovery in a networked env where some machines still have critical
local data.  install replacement disk, boot diskless, do net restore
from archives, reboot from local disk...
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From 2beds@home.com  Tue Feb  6 00:35:24 2001
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:35:24 -0500
From: Kim & Kyle Bedell 2beds@home.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

Anyone whos anyone oughta check here ------------> www.tomshardware.com
 if u still think IDE drives are slow,........here's a wake up call.



regards

Kyle


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony A. D. Talltree" <aad@talltree.net>
To: "'Brian'" <bri@sonicboom.org>; "Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI"
<Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil>
Cc: "'suns-at-hme@net-kitchen.com'" <suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System


> >Just say NO! to IDE drives.
>
> Hence the AXi.
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From mule@coastalnet.com  Wed Feb  7 21:12:48 2001
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:12:48 -0500
From: Mule mule@coastalnet.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

I'm in need of a short education on the SS10 hard drive.  I've been
upgrading my recently purchased Sparc 10 (although I still have no idea what
I'm going to do with it when it's 'finished') and now it's time to add some
storage.  I've searched around on the web/ebay/sun and what I've seen leads
me to believe that the largest internal hard drive option is about one gig
(not much bigger than my current drive).  It also looks like the hard drive
for the Sparc 4/5/20 is different from the 10, but I haven't sorted out
exactly what the difference is.  I believe that any (Sun) external drive
will work fine, but what I'd really like is two 4 to 9 gig internal drives.
Is there an option to mount a drive this large internally in the SS10?

Jim "Mule" Harvey
mule@coastalnet.com




From david@catwhisker.org  Thu Feb  8 02:26:04 2001
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:26:04 -0800 (PST)
From: David Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

>From: "Mule" <mule@coastalnet.com>
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:12:48 -0500

>I'm in need of a short education on the SS10 hard drive.  I've been
>upgrading my recently purchased Sparc 10 (although I still have no idea what
>I'm going to do with it when it's 'finished')

:-)

>and now it's time to add some
>storage.  I've searched around on the web/ebay/sun and what I've seen leads
>me to believe that the largest internal hard drive option is about one gig
>(not much bigger than my current drive).

That sounds believable -- but mostly because of the "form factor" of the
drive.

Other folks will, I'm sure, clarify & elaborate, but:

>It also looks like the hard drive
>for the Sparc 4/5/20 is different from the 10, but I haven't sorted out
>exactly what the difference is.

Yes, it is.  The SS10 uses a fairly standard narrow SCSI (50-pin)
connector, while the others you mention use a (fast, I think) "SCA"
(80-pin) connector (which includes SCSI ID & power).

>I believe that any (Sun) external drive
>will work fine, but what I'd really like is two 4 to 9 gig internal drives.
>Is there an option to mount a drive this large internally in the SS10?

As I recall -- and it's been a while since I opened up an SS10 -- the
issues are:

* Form factor:
  * Does it fit (at all)?
  * Can it be screwed into place so it doesn't move around if you move
    the chassis?
* Connector -- 50-pin narrow SCSI, as above.  I believe the ribbon cable
  (with the necessary drops) should already be there.  Ideally, the last 
  device on the cable is terminated, and you have an internal drop
  available for connected an unterminated drive.  And be sure you don't
  have a SCSI (target) ID conflict.
* Heat -- some of the older drives were pretty notorious for this.

You can bypass a fair amount of this (at some cost in desk space &
noise) by using an external chassis for SCSI devices.  But it may be
easier to deal with form factors that make in-chassis placement
problematical... and avoid overheating the SS10 proper.

Cheers,
david
-- 
David H. Wolfskill				david@catwhisker.org
As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to
advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal
amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product.



From bri@sonicboom.org  Thu Feb  8 03:00:43 2001
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:00:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian bri@sonicboom.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

I have a sparc 4, both the 4 and 5 use sca, its a different connector than
that in the 10.  I saw a sparc 20 with a pair of 4 gig cheetahs, no reason
to think this same setup wouldn't fit in the 10.  
http://www.memoryx.net/sparc10hdd.html shows a 1 and a 4.5 gig drive.

	Brian

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, David Wolfskill wrote:

> >From: "Mule" <mule@coastalnet.com>
> >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:12:48 -0500
> 
> >I'm in need of a short education on the SS10 hard drive.  I've been
> >upgrading my recently purchased Sparc 10 (although I still have no idea what
> >I'm going to do with it when it's 'finished')
> 
> :-)
> 
> >and now it's time to add some
> >storage.  I've searched around on the web/ebay/sun and what I've seen leads
> >me to believe that the largest internal hard drive option is about one gig
> >(not much bigger than my current drive).
> 
> That sounds believable -- but mostly because of the "form factor" of the
> drive.
> 
> Other folks will, I'm sure, clarify & elaborate, but:
> 
> >It also looks like the hard drive
> >for the Sparc 4/5/20 is different from the 10, but I haven't sorted out
> >exactly what the difference is.
> 
> Yes, it is.  The SS10 uses a fairly standard narrow SCSI (50-pin)
> connector, while the others you mention use a (fast, I think) "SCA"
> (80-pin) connector (which includes SCSI ID & power).
> 
> >I believe that any (Sun) external drive
> >will work fine, but what I'd really like is two 4 to 9 gig internal drives.
> >Is there an option to mount a drive this large internally in the SS10?
> 
> As I recall -- and it's been a while since I opened up an SS10 -- the
> issues are:
> 
> * Form factor:
>   * Does it fit (at all)?
>   * Can it be screwed into place so it doesn't move around if you move
>     the chassis?
> * Connector -- 50-pin narrow SCSI, as above.  I believe the ribbon cable
>   (with the necessary drops) should already be there.  Ideally, the last 
>   device on the cable is terminated, and you have an internal drop
>   available for connected an unterminated drive.  And be sure you don't
>   have a SCSI (target) ID conflict.
> * Heat -- some of the older drives were pretty notorious for this.
> 
> You can bypass a fair amount of this (at some cost in desk space &
> noise) by using an external chassis for SCSI devices.  But it may be
> easier to deal with form factors that make in-chassis placement
> problematical... and avoid overheating the SS10 proper.
> 
> Cheers,
> david
> -- 
> David H. Wolfskill				david@catwhisker.org
> As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to
> advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal
> amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product.
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From jeffw@smoe.org  Thu Feb  8 02:44:08 2001
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:44:08 -0500
From: Jeff Wasilko jeffw@smoe.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 04:12:48PM -0500, Mule wrote:
> I'm in need of a short education on the SS10 hard drive.  I've been
> upgrading my recently purchased Sparc 10 (although I still have no idea what
> I'm going to do with it when it's 'finished') and now it's time to add some
> storage.  I've searched around on the web/ebay/sun and what I've seen leads
> me to believe that the largest internal hard drive option is about one gig
> (not much bigger than my current drive).  It also looks like the hard drive
> for the Sparc 4/5/20 is different from the 10, but I haven't sorted out
> exactly what the difference is.  I believe that any (Sun) external drive
> will work fine, but what I'd really like is two 4 to 9 gig internal drives.
> Is there an option to mount a drive this large internally in the SS10?

You can put any size drive in as long as the heat output is
within reason.

You'd need a drive with a 50pin SCSI cable. The 4/5/20 use a SCA
(80 pin) connector.

Memoryx sells the mounting wheels you'll need for the drive:
http://www.memoryx.net/3301390.html

-jeff



From rnovak@indyramp.com  Thu Feb  8 15:33:50 2001
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 07:33:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Novak rnovak@indyramp.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

I thought I heard a "Mule" say:
> 
> I'm in need of a short education on the SS10 hard drive. 

Most modern 3.5"HH or 3.5"x1" narrow scsi drives should work with the
sled/bracket, which memoryx.net should have if you don't already have them
on older drives... I have a 9GB drive in one of my systems (it's a tatung
ss5 but the innards work just like the ss10 including idc50 narrow scsi)
and if you can find something larger you can probably use it. I haven't
seen much larger lately... I don't even see a lot of narrow scsi at all.

Unfortunately there's not enough room inside to mount an SCA or wide scsi
drive with an adapter, or I'd advocate that. The external case idea may be
a good (and necessary) plan if you need more than 18gb on the system.

Good luck.

Rob

-- 
Robert Novak, Indyramp Consulting * rnovak@indyramp.com * indyramp.com/~rnovak
        "And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe
           Maybe this year will be better than the last...." -- counting crows



From jdd@cs.toronto.edu  Thu Feb  8 18:25:19 2001
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:25:19 -0500
From: John DiMarco jdd@cs.toronto.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

In message <008501c0914a$bb107800$0971f5cd@mule>Mule writes:
>I'm in need of a short education on the SS10 hard drive.  I've been
>upgrading my recently purchased Sparc 10 (although I still have no idea what
>I'm going to do with it when it's 'finished') and now it's time to add some
>storage.  I've searched around on the web/ebay/sun and what I've seen leads
>me to believe that the largest internal hard drive option is about one gig
>(not much bigger than my current drive).  It also looks like the hard drive
>for the Sparc 4/5/20 is different from the 10, but I haven't sorted out
>exactly what the difference is.  I believe that any (Sun) external drive
>will work fine, but what I'd really like is two 4 to 9 gig internal drives.
>Is there an option to mount a drive this large internally in the SS10?

Drives must be narrow SCSI, 3.5" form factor, up to 1.5" tall.  Avoid
excessively hot drives.  Mounting kit is very simple: four rubber grommets
attached by screws to the drive slide into mounting hardware already in the
SS10.  You can buy screw-on rubber feet and carve them down to the right size
if you don't want to buy "official" mounting grommets.

Regards,

John
--
John DiMarco <jdd@cs.toronto.edu>                         Office: SF2101
CSLab Systems Manager                                     Phone: 416-978-5300
University of Toronto                                     Fax:   416-978-1931
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~jdd



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Thu Feb  8 19:56:52 2001
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:56:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: SS10 Hard drive options

"From: rnovak@indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
"
"Unfortunately there's not enough room inside to mount an SCA or wide scsi
"drive with an adapter, or I'd advocate that. The external case idea may be
"a good (and necessary) plan if you need more than 18gb on the system.

how about putting the adapter on the motherboard and making a new
drive-cable harness?
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From huge@huge.org.uk  Thu Feb  8 19:45:46 2001
Date: Thu,  8 Feb 2001 19:45:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: Huge huge@huge.org.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SS10 Hard drive options

> From: "Mule" <mule@coastalnet.com>

> will work fine, but what I'd really like is two 4 to 9 gig internal drives.
> Is there an option to mount a drive this large internally in the SS10?

If you're happy to wait until the weekend, I'll wrench the cover off my '10
and tell you what model of Seagate 9Gb it's got in it....

Regards,

Hugh.
(1+,2,LX,S10,S20,U2,U10)



From Krishna_Raj@forethought.com  Thu Feb  8 21:02:57 2001
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:02:57 -0500
From: Krishna_Raj@forethought.com Krishna_Raj@forethought.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject)

Hello everyone:

     If you any of you have extra copy of Solaris 7 CDs for SPARC or any
location I can dowload.

Thanks for your help.
Krishna





From kart@hal-pc.org  Fri Feb  9 08:02:03 2001
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 02:02:03 CST
From: Ted kart@hal-pc.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

I've had a very plain SS10 for about a year now (part # 501-2389-xx)
which ran wonderfully until the hard drive crashed a while ago.
The monitor that I used to have when I installed the machine
also broke while in storage (computer was running headless).

In my quest to get the sparc repaired I found the suns-at-home list. 
What a wonderful resource!  Sorry to bombard the list with a zillion
questions all at once, but getting this old machine fixed sort of
requires solving several problems.

[1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
prompt from a serial terminal?  Will I have to find a new monitor?
Any kinds of terminal to seek out or avoid?

[2] Jumpering an internal fujitsu HD:  The replacement drive I got is
a 4 gig, 50 pin narrow SCSI drive.  It has a warning sticker that
says the outside of the drive must not be grounded.  There are 3
clusters of jumpers on the bottom of the drive:

(ascii-picture of bottom of drive, jumper pins are numbered)
-----------------------------
| o o "TRM1"                |50 pin connector
| o o             o o "SY"  |on this side
| o=o             o o "R"   |
|                 o o "WP"  |
|                 o=o "TM"  |
|                           |    
|                 o o "ID0" |
|                 o o "ID1  |power connector
|                 o o "ID2" |here
-----------------------------

Currently only the "TM" jumper and the 3rd one in the "TRM1" cluster
are jumpered.

I know only two things so far: internal drives must not have TERMPWR
set (whatever that is), and that by default Sun hardware likes to
boot SCSI ID3.

Anyone have any idea how to jumper this drive?

[3] Overheating & compatibility issues with HyperSPARC cpus:  Once the
machine is up and running again I plan to upgrade the memory and cpu.
It currently has an SM51 that works just fine.  Blindly trying to start
up the machine with lots of configuration changes makes it hard to
isolate problems, so right now everything is still in a known good
configuration, save for the harddrive.

Once (if) the fujitsu drive gets running and I find a new monitor or
terminal, I've got a 125 Mhz Ross cpu and a 2.25 boot rom to drop in.
 a) Should I change the J401 jumper on the motherboard?
    It is currently set to 80Mhz.  The other option is 72Mhz

 b) Will it get terribly hot?  Is it safe to operate in a non air-
    conditioned 70-80 degree house?

 c) If it's possible to get to the console with a serial terminal
    (see [1]), may I remove the framebuffer to reduce heat generation
    inside the enclosure?

Best Regards,

Ted Stodgell
kart@hal-pc.org
http://hal-pc.org/~kart



From jdd@cs.toronto.edu  Thu Feb  8 21:56:52 2001
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:56:52 -0500
From: John DiMarco jdd@cs.toronto.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] (no subject)

In message <052569ED.0073A0BE.00@forethought.com>you write:
>     If you any of you have extra copy of Solaris 7 CDs for SPARC or any
>location I can dowload.

Solaris 7 you'll have to buy from Sun.

However, you can download Solaris 8 from www.sun.com

Regards,

John
--
John DiMarco <jdd@cs.toronto.edu>                         Office: SF2101
CSLab Systems Manager                                     Phone: 416-978-5300
University of Toronto                                     Fax:   416-978-1931
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~jdd



From BHamill@mbcm.org  Fri Feb  9 14:50:25 2001
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:50:25 -0600
From: BHamill@mbcm.org BHamill@mbcm.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ss5 memory

>From: "mjevans" <mjevans@bellatlantic.net>
>
>Hello everyone. I am new to this so I hope I am not asking a stupid
>question. I recently purchased a ss5 and I have been told that I can use
>certain dimms from Mac system. as long as it is 5v parity. is this true ?
>thanks for you assistance.
>

I've tried this as well, and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.
Macs in the 7200,7300, 7500, 7600, 8500,
8600, 9500, 9600 series use 5V Buffered FPM DIMM memory.  Sparc4 and Sparc5
can use the same, but I've had DIMMs that worked in those Macs that simply
never registered with my Sparc5, and other DIMMs that worked well in both.
The Sparc5 is pickier than the Mac about memory in some way that I'm sure
someone else on this mailing list can explain- timing, perhaps?

So, it's sort of a hit-or-miss thing.  You can usually find 32MB DIMMs for
the Sparc5 on eBay for around $50; for the PowerMac, they're closer to $30.
When you spend the $30, you have to ask yourself, "do I feel lucky?"

Barry Hamill
Data Communications Administrator
Memorial Blood Centers of Minnesota
bhamill@mbcm.org
(612) 871-3300 x2216




From harri@smilehouse.com  Fri Feb  9 15:17:28 2001
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:17:28 +0200 (EET)
From: Harri Haataja harri@smilehouse.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Ted wrote:

> (ascii-picture of bottom of drive, jumper pins are numbered)
> -----------------------------
> | o o "TRM1"                |50 pin connector
> | o o             o o "SY"  |on this side
> | o=o             o o "R"   |
> |                 o o "WP"  |
> |                 o=o "TM"  |
> |                           |    
> |                 o o "ID0" |
> |                 o o "ID1  |power connector
> |                 o o "ID2" |here
> -----------------------------
> 
> Currently only the "TM" jumper and the 3rd one in the "TRM1" cluster
> are jumpered.

Usually you can get jumper sheets and all that from the makers' web site
(by type number). Tried that?

Anyway, I would guess:
SY = Standby?  Slow start perhaps.
TM = Terminated  (TE or TD in many drives, term ena/disa)

> I know only two things so far: internal drives must not have TERMPWR

I think the TRM1 is the term power and has states like:
*No power
*Power from bus
*Power from drive power connector.

Which is which, beats me.

> set (whatever that is), and that by default Sun hardware likes to
> boot SCSI ID3.

Yes, and then there's the issue of id mapping..

The id scheme looks normal:
<id> = ID0*2^0 + ID1*2^1 + ID2*2^2

Like access modes. So id 3 would be ID0 and ID1 closed, ID2 open
(1*1+1*2+0*4) for example.

-- 
/* [...] Note that 120 sec is defined in the protocol as the maximum  *
 * possible RTT.  I guess we'll have to use something other than TCP  *
 * to talk to the University of Mars.                                 */




From nico@gartengold.de  Fri Feb  9 15:17:34 2001
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:17:34 +0100
From: Nico Goldschmidt nico@gartengold.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

Hi Ted!

> [1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
> prompt from a serial terminal?  Will I have to find a new monitor? Any
> kinds of terminal to seek out or avoid?
Almost every serial terminal (or terminal emulation on another 
machine with a null-modem-cable) should work; the OBP will 
switch input and output to the terminal if no keyboard is attached.
 
> [2] Jumpering an internal fujitsu HD:  The replacement drive I got is
> a 4 gig, 50 pin narrow SCSI drive.  It has a warning sticker that says
> the outside of the drive must not be grounded.  There are 3 clusters
> of jumpers on the bottom of the drive:
> 
> (ascii-picture of bottom of drive, jumper pins are numbered)
> -----------------------------
> | o o "TRM1"                |50 pin connector
> | o o             o o "SY"  |on this side
> | o=o             o o "R"   |
> |                 o o "WP"  |
> |                 o=o "TM"  |
> |                           |    
> |                 o o "ID0" |
> |                 o o "ID1  |power connector
> |                 o o "ID2" |here
> -----------------------------
> 
> Currently only the "TM" jumper and the 3rd one in the "TRM1" cluster
> are jumpered.
> 
> I know only two things so far: internal drives must not have TERMPWR
> set (whatever that is), and that by default Sun hardware likes to boot
> SCSI ID3.
> 
> Anyone have any idea how to jumper this drive?
The first drive should be installed next to the floppy with ID3, so 
you have to set the jumpers ID0 and ID1.

> [3] Overheating & compatibility issues with HyperSPARC cpus:  Once the
> machine is up and running again I plan to upgrade the memory and cpu.
> It currently has an SM51 that works just fine.  Blindly trying to
> start up the machine with lots of configuration changes makes it hard
> to isolate problems, so right now everything is still in a known good
> configuration, save for the harddrive.
> 
> Once (if) the fujitsu drive gets running and I find a new monitor or
> terminal, I've got a 125 Mhz Ross cpu and a 2.25 boot rom to drop in.
>  a) Should I change the J401 jumper on the motherboard?
>     It is currently set to 80Mhz.  The other option is 72Mhz
It should be truely Plug-and-Play: drop in the BootROM and the 
CPU (leaving the jumper at 80MHz, the module generates its own 
clock) and do a boot -r.

> 
>  b) Will it get terribly hot?  Is it safe to operate in a non air-
>     conditioned 70-80 degree house?
Don't worry about thermal problems with a single HyperSPARC 125.

>  c) If it's possible to get to the console with a serial terminal
>     (see [1]), may I remove the framebuffer to reduce heat generation
>     inside the enclosure?
Don't worry about framebuffer heat, unless you have a ZX.


For further information have a look at the Service Manual at:
http://docs.sun.com:80/ab2/coll.208.1/SMSS10/@Ab2TocView?Ab
2Lang=de&Ab2Enc=iso-8859-1

Regards,
Nico



From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Fri Feb  9 18:38:15 2001
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:38:15 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: more 4MB SIMMs

I've got 16 of these on eBay right now for $1, but no takers after 
four days. And then I see folks on this list giving them away!

So if no one bids on them, they'll be free for shipping to the first taker(s).

Here's a photo:

   <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212939756>

This is NOT a solicitation to bid -- really! But if you get them for 
the shipping, I'm not going to take a credit card. :-)

I've also got misc SS2 parts and a Cycle 5 SS4 clone board with bad 
SCSI, two 16MB SS5 SIMMs, and a bootable-modified Toshiba CD-ROM 
drive. Any offers welcome, or trade for SS20 RAM, ethernet card, 
whatever...

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Fri Feb  9 17:18:42 2001
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:18:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

"From: "Ted" <kart@hal-pc.org>
"
"I've had a very plain SS10 for about a year now (part # 501-2389-xx)
"which ran wonderfully until the hard drive crashed a while ago.
"The monitor that I used to have when I installed the machine
"also broke while in storage (computer was running headless).
"
"In my quest to get the sparc repaired I found the suns-at-home list. 
"What a wonderful resource!  Sorry to bombard the list with a zillion
"questions all at once, but getting this old machine fixed sort of
"requires solving several problems.
"
"[1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
"prompt from a serial terminal?  Will I have to find a new monitor?
"Any kinds of terminal to seek out or avoid?

easily -- ttya will be used as the console if you boot without the
kybd.  rs232 break replaces stop-a to halt the machine.

"[2] Jumpering an internal fujitsu HD:  The replacement drive I got is
"a 4 gig, 50 pin narrow SCSI drive.  It has a warning sticker that
"says the outside of the drive must not be grounded.  There are 3
"clusters of jumpers on the bottom of the drive:
"
"(ascii-picture of bottom of drive, jumper pins are numbered)
"-----------------------------
"| o o "TRM1"                |50 pin connector
"| o o             o o "SY"  |on this side
"| o=o             o o "R"   |
"|                 o o "WP"  |
"|                 o=o "TM"  |
"|                           |    
"|                 o o "ID0" |
"|                 o o "ID1  |power connector
"|                 o o "ID2" |here
"-----------------------------
"
"Currently only the "TM" jumper and the 3rd one in the "TRM1" cluster
"are jumpered.
"
"I know only two things so far: internal drives must not have TERMPWR

scsi bus termination power; they're too close to the controller.

"set (whatever that is), and that by default Sun hardware likes to
"boot SCSI ID3.

this is just a convention; you can easily set the obp to boot disk1...

"Anyone have any idea how to jumper this drive?

have you checked the fujitsu website?  i know seagate keeps jumper
layouts for - afaik - all the drives they've ever made.

id0/1/2 must be the scsi id...

"[3] Overheating & compatibility issues with HyperSPARC cpus:  Once the
"machine is up and running again I plan to upgrade the memory and cpu.
"It currently has an SM51 that works just fine.  Blindly trying to start
"up the machine with lots of configuration changes makes it hard to
"isolate problems, so right now everything is still in a known good
"configuration, save for the harddrive.
"
"Once (if) the fujitsu drive gets running and I find a new monitor or
"terminal, I've got a 125 Mhz Ross cpu and a 2.25 boot rom to drop in.
" a) Should I change the J401 jumper on the motherboard?
"    It is currently set to 80Mhz.  The other option is 72Mhz

no.  this was for -early- ss10s with 36MHz cpus.

" b) Will it get terribly hot?  Is it safe to operate in a non air-
"    conditioned 70-80 degree house?

i think you'll be safe.  80 isn't a very warm ambient.

" c) If it's possible to get to the console with a serial terminal
"    (see [1]), may I remove the framebuffer to reduce heat generation
"    inside the enclosure?

this is standard practice for sun servers, in fact the biggest real
difference.  be sure to block the hole in the panel.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From huge@huge.org.uk  Fri Feb  9 19:18:33 2001
Date: Fri,  9 Feb 2001 19:18:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Huge huge@huge.org.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

> From: "Ted" <kart@hal-pc.org>

> [1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
> prompt from a serial terminal?

Boot the box with the Sun keyboard unplugged. Serial port A becomes
the console - it's 9600,N,1 IIRC.

H.



From tikeda@sprintmail.com  Sat Feb 10 01:49:38 2001
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:49:38 -0500
From: Tim Ikeda tikeda@sprintmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IPX - Onboard video problem

I've got an IPX from which I can't seem to get a video signal
out of the onboard video port.

Conditions:
     IPX, ROM v2.4, 48MB RAM. ~400MB HD (working)
     Keyboard and mouse attached & known to be working.
     Multisync PC monitor attached through adapter. This
          monitor works with a TGX card in the IPX and with
          a GX card in a SS10.

However, if I install a TGX card, I can get perfectly good
video and watch the machine boot. It does detect two cg6's
under that condition (Still, no video from the GX port).
As far as I can tell, the system is set to direct output to
video (not ttya). I've also tried resetting the NVRAM to
default settings but still nothing from onboard video (w/
or w/o the TGX card).

I've done some searching on this problem but haven't seen
a solution. Is there something obvious that I'm overlooking
in the hardware settings?

My monitor is not detecting any signal, but I suppose I
could check the voltages at the connector pins to confirm.

Thanks,
Tim Ikeda (tikeda@sprintmail.com)



From marke@home.com  Sun Feb 11 00:36:35 2001
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:36:35 -0800
From: Mark Edelman marke@home.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IPX Systems forsale

I have three IPX systems and other misc Sun pieces that
I want to sell as part of a garage cleanout.

The three systems are:

System #1:
	IPX w/Weitek PowerUP (original CPU too)
	64MB, 4.3GB
	second ethernet card
	Type 5 keyboard, mechanical mouse
	external 4-bay SCSI chassis (Sun CDROM, & 4.3GB HD)
	Solaris 2.6 installed
	cables (power, serial, audio, SCSI ...)

System #2:
	IPX w/Weitek PowerUP (original CPU too)
	64MB, 400MB
	second ethernet card
	Type 5 keyboard, optical mouse & pad
	external 4-bay SCSI tower (Toshiba CDROM, 4.3GB HD & 1/4" tape)
	Solaris 2.5.1 installed
	cables (power, serial, audio, SCSI ...)

System #3:
	IPX
	unknown memory (I think it's 48MB), 400MB drive
	Solaris 2.5.1 (I think ...)
	(this was my wife's machine, so I don't know the details)

Other misc pieces:
	2 Sun GDM-1662B monitors

The monitors are heavy, so they are probably not worth shipping.

I am looking for best offers, buyer pays any shipping.
I am willing to deliver in the South Bay area.

-- 
Mark Edelman
Mission Creek Systems, Inc.	phone: (510)770-8664
42668 Lerwick Street		fax:   (510)770-8664
Fremont, CA 94539		mailto:marke@mission-creek.com
http://www.mission-creek.com 
mailto:marke@home.com 
       			




From billj@ieee.org  Sun Feb 11 19:43:29 2001
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:43:29 -0800
From: Bill Janssen billj@ieee.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ? on Found FDDI card

Picked up this Sbus FDDI card and know nothing about it.

Anyone recognize This card? It's marked model C301T and the Optical
interface
module is marked AT&T ODL FDDI. On the front it has the rectangular
optical plug
(duplex) and two lamps marked  status and ringop.

Two questions;
is it for multi mode ( I have 500 feet of cable)
is it worth saving or selling.

I am sure that I won't use it as I have coax for my local net.

Thanks
Bill K7NOM




From firebug@apk.net  Sun Feb 11 17:40:46 2001
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:40:46 -0500
From: Derrik Walker v2.0 firebug@apk.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone using Suns for Ham Radio?

I know Linux is big in the packet radio world, but what about Solaris?  Are
there tools for Packet, ARQ, and SWL applications like RTTY, RFax, and
Morris code encoders/decoders?  What about software control of Radios?

Just wandering before I consider reinventing the wheel.

thanks

 -Derrik

mailto:firebug@apk.net
http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
------------------------------
Established technology tends to persist in the face of new technology.
    -- G. Blaauw, one of the designers of System 360





From bt@insiders-fs.com  Mon Feb 12 09:21:15 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:21:15 +0100
From: Volker Borchert bt@insiders-fs.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: SS10 Hard drive options

In message <200102081956.OAA21552@an.bradford.ma.us> you write:

|> "From: rnovak@indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
|> "
|> "Unfortunately there's not enough room inside to mount an SCA or wide scsi
|> "drive with an adapter, or I'd advocate that. The external case idea may be
|> "a good (and necessary) plan if you need more than 18gb on the system.
|> 
|> how about putting the adapter on the motherboard and making a new
|> drive-cable harness?

The IBM DNES 18 GB drive was made in a narrow ultra version.
With a little luck, you might be able to find some of these.

	Volker



From kart@hal-pc.org  Mon Feb 12 05:29:09 2001
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:29:09 CST
From: Ted kart@hal-pc.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

huge@huge.org.uk<Huge> said:
>> [1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
>> prompt from a serial terminal?
>
>Boot the box with the Sun keyboard unplugged. Serial port A becomes
>the console - it's 9600,N,1 IIRC

Thanks.  I tried with those settings but it's not working yet.  It might
be the cable or the terminal emulator software I'm using.  Worse case
scenario is the box is completely dead, but it seems to be working ok.
I just need to find a _real_ serial terminal or a Sun monitor.

As far as I can tell by looking at pinout diagrams, a regular DB25-DB9
null modem cable should work.

The motherboard is jumpered to the default RS432 mode.  My DB25 mini-tester
gadget shows the TD, RTS and DTR pins are active voltage when the sparc boots,
but nothing ever appears in my terminal emulators.

Anyone in the Houston, Texas area happen to have a spare terminal?
-- 
Ted Stodgell
kart@hal-pc.org



From mpotter@atpco.com  Mon Feb 12 02:51:40 2001
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:51:40 -0500
From: Matthew Potter mpotter@atpco.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone using Suns for Ham Radio?

There is a soundmodem driver & software for solaris... never used it
though... I dont know how good it or the sun sound card is.

http://www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~sailer/ham/soundmodem/

KG4JZH



At 12:40 PM 2/11/01 -0500, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:
>I know Linux is big in the packet radio world, but what about Solaris?  Are
>there tools for Packet, ARQ, and SWL applications like RTTY, RFax, and
>Morris code encoders/decoders?  What about software control of Radios?
>
>Just wandering before I consider reinventing the wheel.
>
>thanks
>
> -Derrik
>
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>http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
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From huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk  Mon Feb 12 13:21:26 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:21:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Anyone using Suns for Ham Radio?

AFAIK, there are some Solaris AX25 drivers, but they're way old. I have a 
copy I can make available of you wish. Apart from that, there doesn't 
seem to be a whole lot  -that fits right in with the Luddite attitudes of 
many amateurs, present compnay excepted, of course.

Regards,

hugh. (G0CNR, although inactive for years.)

--  

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On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:

> I know Linux is big in the packet radio world, but what about Solaris?  Are
> there tools for Packet, ARQ, and SWL applications like RTTY, RFax, and
> Morris code encoders/decoders?  What about software control of Radios?
> 
> Just wandering before I consider reinventing the wheel.
> 
> thanks
> 
>  -Derrik
> 
> mailto:firebug@apk.net
> http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
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From huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk  Mon Feb 12 16:45:50 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:45:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Ted wrote:

> huge@huge.org.uk<Huge> said:
> >> [1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
> >> prompt from a serial terminal?
> >
> >Boot the box with the Sun keyboard unplugged. Serial port A becomes
> >the console - it's 9600,N,1 IIRC
> 
> Thanks.  I tried with those settings but it's not working yet.  It might
> be the cable or the terminal emulator software I'm using.  Worse case
> scenario is the box is completely dead, but it seems to be working ok.
> I just need to find a _real_ serial terminal or a Sun monitor.
> 
> As far as I can tell by looking at pinout diagrams, a regular DB25-DB9
> null modem cable should work.

It seems to be very unpicky about what you plug in. I've used assorted 
laptops, assorted desktops and most recently a Psion 5MX. One thing that 
occurs is to make sure the serial ports are enabled in the OBP;

ttyb-rts-dtr-off=false
ttyb-ignore-cd=true
ttya-rts-dtr-off=false
ttya-ignore-cd=true
ttyb-mode=9600,8,n,1,-
ttya-mode=9600,8,n,1,-

Regards,

Hugh.




From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Mon Feb 12 18:53:20 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:53:20 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] WTB: SS20 RAM

I've got 48MB in my SS20, which has actually been fairly comfortable.

I just got Solaris 8 in the mail, and it wants 64MB just to install!

Anyone have any SS20 RAM sitting around gathering dust? I'd rather 
pay a list member a fair price than go do the eBay thing...

Thanks in advance!

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Mon Feb 12 19:11:00 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:11:00 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] networked Postscript printer woes

...the saga of moving from my SS5 clone backup tapes to a SS20 continues...

I used the admintool to set up a networked Postscript printer (HP 
8500), but it doesn't print anything except the banner page.

I can pipe plain text through postprint(1) and get ugly monospaced 
output, but I can't seem to get anything out of a troff | dpost 
pipeline. (Of course, man -t doesn't work either, which is my primary 
need right at the moment...) dpost dies, complaining about bad input.

I've poured over the various lpsystem man pages. They mention 
attaching interfaces, but there aren't any in the referenced folder. 
The HP web site only supports Windoze and Mac.

Any insight or help appreciated!

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Mon Feb 12 19:01:55 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:01:55 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] in.named pain and suffering

I've just salvaged the last files from my dead SS5 clone onto a SS20.

Unfortunately, my carefully configured DNS server doesn't want to run.

I previously downloaded, compiled, and installed named myself, and it 
used a file called /etc/named.boot. Now in.named appears to be a part 
of Solaris, and it has a totally different start-up file 
(/etc/named.conf) and format. (The database files seem to be 
unchanged, thank goodness.)

Before I go crawling through the (overly complex) man page, does 
anyone have a script to translate old named.boot files to named.conf 
format?

I originally set it up using the Nutshell DNS/bind book, which seems 
to be older than the new named.conf format.

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From zu22@andrew.cmu.edu  Mon Feb 12 17:21:38 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:21:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Zachary Uram zu22@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal
i am not sure what type handshake I should use
"software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Ted wrote:
> 
> > huge@huge.org.uk<Huge> said:
> > >> [1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
> > >> prompt from a serial terminal?
> > >
> > >Boot the box with the Sun keyboard unplugged. Serial port A becomes
> > >the console - it's 9600,N,1 IIRC
> > 
> > Thanks.  I tried with those settings but it's not working yet.  It might
> > be the cable or the terminal emulator software I'm using.  Worse case
> > scenario is the box is completely dead, but it seems to be working ok.
> > I just need to find a _real_ serial terminal or a Sun monitor.
> > 
> > As far as I can tell by looking at pinout diagrams, a regular DB25-DB9
> > null modem cable should work.
> 
> It seems to be very unpicky about what you plug in. I've used assorted 
> laptops, assorted desktops and most recently a Psion 5MX. One thing that 
> occurs is to make sure the serial ports are enabled in the OBP;
> 
> ttyb-rts-dtr-off=false
> ttyb-ignore-cd=true
> ttya-rts-dtr-off=false
> ttya-ignore-cd=true
> ttyb-mode=9600,8,n,1,-
> ttya-mode=9600,8,n,1,-
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hugh.
> 
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From paul@anastrophe.com  Mon Feb 12 21:45:51 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:45:51 GMT
From: paul@anastrophe.com paul@anastrophe.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: in.named pain and suffering

What version are you running? Anything less than the recently released 
8.2.3-REL is several reported security vulnerabilities.

there is a perl script included with all recent versions that will convert 
your named.boot to a named.conf file. 

i have the docs for both 8.2.3-REL and 9.1.0 up on my website -- the next to 
last link on the main page at http://www.anastrophe.com 

Jan Steinman writes: 

> I've just salvaged the last files from my dead SS5 clone onto a SS20. 
> 
> Unfortunately, my carefully configured DNS server doesn't want to run. 
> 
> I previously downloaded, compiled, and installed named myself, and it used 
> a file called /etc/named.boot. Now in.named appears to be a part of 
> Solaris, and it has a totally different start-up file (/etc/named.conf) 
> and format. (The database files seem to be unchanged, thank goodness.) 
> 
> Before I go crawling through the (overly complex) man page, does anyone 
> have a script to translate old named.boot files to named.conf format? 
> 
> I originally set it up using the Nutshell DNS/bind book, which seems to be 
> older than the new named.conf format. 
> 
> -- 
> : Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
> : Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
> : 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229
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Syntactically Subversive Services, Inc.
http://www.anastrophe.net
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From BehmJL@bvsg.com  Mon Feb 12 22:56:58 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:56:58 -0600
From: Behm, Jeffrey L. BehmJL@bvsg.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] in.named pain and suffering

>From http://www.nominum.com/resources/faqs/bind-faq.html

If you are converting from BIND 4, you will need to convert the
configuration file named.boot to the new syntax. A conversion
program is included.

named-bootconf < /etc/named.boot > /etc/named.conf

YMMV
Jeff
>From: Jan Steinman [mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com]
>I previously downloaded, compiled, and installed named myself, and it 
>used a file called /etc/named.boot. Now in.named appears to be a part 
>of Solaris, and it has a totally different start-up file 
>(/etc/named.conf) and format. (The database files seem to be 
>unchanged, thank goodness.)
>
>Before I go crawling through the (overly complex) man page, does 
>anyone have a script to translate old named.boot files to named.conf 
>format?



From sparcy@proxy.goblin.cx  Tue Feb 13 12:34:35 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:34:35 +0100 (CET)
From: sparcy sparcy@proxy.goblin.cx
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] saying goodbye to my suns ... sniff

Due to seriously running out of space I'm selling all my Sun stuff - *PLEASE
NOTE* I'm in Europe (the Netherlands) so if you want to ship it to the states 
it will be pricy! (the server and storage array are *heavy*) - If you are in 
the Netherlands (or nearby) you can see the system up and running.

Quicklist: 1 SparcServer 1000, 1 Sparc Storage Array, 2 SS2's, 1 SS20, 21" Sun
monitor and a whole lotta extra stuff.  
  
I guess a fair price for the whole lot is something like $3000 - if you are
a student or a true Sun freak we can negotiate on the price.

I've put some pictures up of the system on:

http://www.geocities.com/jack5382000/pix/


SparcServer1000: 4 cpu's (max 8), 256Mb (max 2G), 8 scsi harddisks, 2 scsi
cdrom's, 1 external scsi cdrom, 1 external scsi harddisk, 2x10Mb utp,
1x100Mb fiber utp, 1 fiber link for StorageArray, 3 scsi busses, etc.

SparcStorageArray: 3 trays, max 30 scsi harddisken, now contains 10. Fiber
link + cabel for server connection.

SS20: 2 cpu's (dual cpu), 128Mb,1Gig scsi harddisk, additional thru video
port, external scsi, etc.

2xSS2: both 32Mb, Scsi harddisk.

Extra's: Type 4 and 5 keyboards, many kabels (scsi, utp, etc), type 4 and 5
(optical) mice, original Sun microphone.

All systems with original parts (brackets, fans, etc). All in excellent
shape - SparcSercver has some minor cosmetic damage on backside.

Original 21-Inch Sun monitor included. Linux 6.2 is installed on all, on
server also SunOS 5.6 (dual boot), you get additional cd's containing Linux,
BSD, etc.


If you are interested please email me directly on my account that I read
daily: flux@nebule.com

Cheers,

Sparcy.



From airboss@dusk.bitstream.net  Tue Feb 13 05:14:07 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:14:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Dan Debertin airboss@dusk.bitstream.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 'ps' on diskless workstation

I have a much-loved ELC that boots & mounts its root filesystem off of a
FreeBSD box (long story; I can expand on how I did this if anyone's
curious). The only problem that I can see is that 'ps' returns no output:

$ ps -ef
     UID	PID	PPID C	STIME	TTY	TIME	CMD
$

Here's a clue: any effort to truss a command results in this output:

$ truss ls
truss: /proc is not a PROC directory
$

So I guess I have a /proc problem. /proc appears to be mounted, AFAIK, but
something isn't right. Anybody seen this before?

Thanks,

Dan Debertin
airboss@bitstream.net






From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 13 00:38:31 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:38:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: in.named pain and suffering

"From: Jan Steinman <Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
"
"Before I go crawling through the (overly complex) man page, does 
"anyone have a script to translate old named.boot files to named.conf 
"format?

no, but i - rummaging around stokely.com i think - found a script that
sets your system up to be a cacheing dns server, and it handles both
bind 4 [old] and bind 8 [new] style configs.  it didn't properly
detect that my old 2.5 system was bind 4 though.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 13 00:34:42 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:34:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

"From: Zachary Uram <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu>
"
"i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal
"i am not sure what type handshake I should use
""software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?

i believe it should be hardware, rts/cts.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Mon Feb 12 23:33:57 2001
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:33:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: IPX - Onboard video problem

"From: Tim Ikeda <tikeda@sprintmail.com>
"
"I've got an IPX from which I can't seem to get a video signal
"out of the onboard video port.

just thinking out loud -- the chip could be okay but the video drivers
are blown.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From mjm@wru.org  Tue Feb 13 13:46:33 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:46:33 -0600
From: mjm@wru.org mjm@wru.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 'ps' on diskless workstation

your /etc/vfstab should have something like:

/proc   -       /proc   proc    -       no      -

in it... does it?

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 11:14:07PM -0600, Dan Debertin wrote:
> I have a much-loved ELC that boots & mounts its root filesystem off of a
> FreeBSD box (long story; I can expand on how I did this if anyone's
> curious). The only problem that I can see is that 'ps' returns no output:
> 
> $ ps -ef
>      UID	PID	PPID C	STIME	TTY	TIME	CMD
> $
> 
> Here's a clue: any effort to truss a command results in this output:
> 
> $ truss ls
> truss: /proc is not a PROC directory
> $
> 
> So I guess I have a /proc problem. /proc appears to be mounted, AFAIK, but
> something isn't right. Anybody seen this before?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan Debertin
> airboss@bitstream.net
> 
> 
> 
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From mjm@wru.org  Tue Feb 13 13:43:41 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:43:41 -0600
From: mjm@wru.org mjm@wru.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

um, nope...rs/6000s, yes, suns, no,

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:34:42PM -0500, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> "From: Zachary Uram <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu>
> "
> "i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal
> "i am not sure what type handshake I should use
> ""software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?
> 
> i believe it should be hardware, rts/cts.



From harri@smilehouse.com  Tue Feb 13 13:14:07 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:14:07 +0200 (EET)
From: Harri Haataja harri@smilehouse.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 'ps' on diskless workstation

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Dan Debertin wrote:

> I have a much-loved ELC that boots & mounts its root filesystem off of a
> FreeBSD box (long story; I can expand on how I did this if anyone's
> curious). The only problem that I can see is that 'ps' returns no output:
<snip> 

> $ truss ls
> truss: /proc is not a PROC directory
> $
> 
> So I guess I have a /proc problem. /proc appears to be mounted, AFAIK, but
> something isn't right. Anybody seen this before?

Is /proc really the proc file system (ls and cat around)?


-- 
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 * possible RTT.  I guess we'll have to use something other than TCP  *
 * to talk to the University of Mars.                                 */




From William.Salmon@cna.com  Tue Feb 13 15:04:55 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:55 -0600
From: Salmon,William E.,Wes William.Salmon@cna.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IPX - Onboard video problem

I see this all the time.  The sparc classic won't work, but the LX will.
Same thing.  It's the monitor.  The IPX video (cg3?) doesn't work, but the
TGX cards will.  I think it has to do with frequency, as I have found if you
hook up a sun monitor, everything works.  My favorite solution for all this
mess is to buy a Raritan Sun to PS/2 adapter (about $120) that converts Sun
13w3 video, Sun keyboard/mouse to PC PS/2 keyboard and VGA video connector.
This solution works with any monitor/video combination.  
Wes

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ikeda [mailto:tikeda@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:50 PM
To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IPX - Onboard video problem


I've got an IPX from which I can't seem to get a video signal
out of the onboard video port.

Conditions:
     IPX, ROM v2.4, 48MB RAM. ~400MB HD (working)
     Keyboard and mouse attached & known to be working.
     Multisync PC monitor attached through adapter. This
          monitor works with a TGX card in the IPX and with
          a GX card in a SS10.

However, if I install a TGX card, I can get perfectly good
video and watch the machine boot. It does detect two cg6's
under that condition (Still, no video from the GX port).
As far as I can tell, the system is set to direct output to
video (not ttya). I've also tried resetting the NVRAM to
default settings but still nothing from onboard video (w/
or w/o the TGX card).

I've done some searching on this problem but haven't seen
a solution. Is there something obvious that I'm overlooking
in the hardware settings?

My monitor is not detecting any signal, but I suppose I
could check the voltages at the connector pins to confirm.

Thanks,
Tim Ikeda (tikeda@sprintmail.com)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 13 15:11:16 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:11:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

"From: mjm@wru.org
"
"um, nope...rs/6000s, yes, suns, no,
"
"On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:34:42PM -0500, Sandwich Maker wrote:
"> "From: Zachary Uram <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu>
"> "
"> "i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal
"> "i am not sure what type handshake I should use
"> ""software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?
"> 
"> i believe it should be hardware, rts/cts.

i remember messing around with eeprom and getty variables and getting
this to work, but it was six years and as many contracts ago...
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
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From aad@talltree.net  Tue Feb 13 17:28:11 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:28:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

> "i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal

Wow.  You have a Wyse50 that hasn't burned itself up yet?  Miserable
terminals, those.

"> "i am not sure what type handshake I should use
"> ""software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?

I suggest that you disable flow control entirely and go from there.

Check out the following:

http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources/modem.html

Although there is a fair amount of idiocy there -- eg. actually using
'tip' -- you should be able to find what you need.



From zu22@andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Feb 13 17:03:30 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:03:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Zachary Uram zu22@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

so what should i use?

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 mjm@wru.org wrote:

> um, nope...rs/6000s, yes, suns, no,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:34:42PM -0500, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> > "From: Zachary Uram <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu>
> > "
> > "i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal
> > "i am not sure what type handshake I should use
> > ""software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?
> > 
> > i believe it should be hardware, rts/cts.
> _______________________________________________
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From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Tue Feb 13 16:58:07 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:58:07 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

>>> i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal i am not sure
>>> what type handshake I should use "software/hardware" and what
>>> "flow control" DTS etc..?
>> i believe it should be hardware, rts/cts.
> um, nope...rs/6000s, yes, suns, no,

I don't know about the rs6k, but wrt Suns, this matches my experience:
I normally use no hardware handshaking at all (my cables usually
connect just txd, rxd, and any grounds).  Software handshaking, well,
DC1/DC3 usually works once an OS is up.  I haven't needed to worry
about it, for the most part, since the devices I hang on Sun serial
console ports are generally capable of taking 9600 without having to
flow-control it down.

					der Mouse

			       mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca
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From negativl@best.com  Tue Feb 13 16:31:29 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:31:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Raymond Wong negativl@best.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 'ps' on diskless workstation



Dan Debertin wrote:
> truss: /proc is not a PROC directory
> $
> 
> So I guess I have a /proc problem. /proc appears to be mounted, AFAIK, but
> something isn't right. Anybody seen this before?

You're not trying to NFS mount /proc from the disk server, are you?  It's
not a real filesystem, so your client should still mount it locally in
its /etc/vfstab (/proc - proc somethingsomething).

You DID give the client root-write perms on whichever fs it's
getting for /, right?




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From mjm@wru.org  Tue Feb 13 20:14:23 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:14:23 -0600
From: mjm@wru.org mjm@wru.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

9600, 8-n-1, software (if any) flow control. *NOT* hardware flow control.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:03:30PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
> so what should i use?
> 
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 mjm@wru.org wrote:
> 
> > um, nope...rs/6000s, yes, suns, no,
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:34:42PM -0500, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> > > "From: Zachary Uram <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu>
> > > "
> > > "i have problem with connecting my Wyse50 terminal
> > > "i am not sure what type handshake I should use
> > > ""software/hardware" and what "flow control" DTS etc..?
> > > 
> > > i believe it should be hardware, rts/cts.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Suns-at-Home mailing list
> > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com
> > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home
> > 
> 
> 
> uram@cmu.edu
> "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29
> 

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From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 13 22:25:36 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:25:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals

"From: mjm@wru.org
"
"9600, 8-n-1, software (if any) flow control. *NOT* hardware flow control.
"
"On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:03:30PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
"> so what should i use?

i agree - initially, at least.  i went on to hardware flow control
-after- i got the system and console playing together.  one of my
reasons was to go to 38400 baud; on sunos4 i was rewarded with
significantly faster boots.  quite a surprise to find the obp was
spending so much time jabbering at the screen...
_____________________________________________________________________
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From kart@hal-pc.org  Wed Feb 14 01:03:55 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:03:55 CST
From: Ted kart@hal-pc.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

bonomi@bonomi.com(robert bonomi) said:
> stick a null-modem in.    that fixes 95% or more of -all- serial comm
> "dont work" problems.    seriously

Assuming you meant a null modem *cable*, that's exactly what I have been
using.  I can't think of any other kind of cable that would be even
remotely appropriate.  Thanks for the tip, though ;)
-- 
Ted Stodgell
kart@hal-pc.org



From kart@hal-pc.org  Wed Feb 14 01:10:35 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:10:35 CST
From: Ted kart@hal-pc.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk said:
> One thing that occurs is to make sure the serial ports
> are enabled in the OBP;
>
>ttyb-rts-dtr-off=false
>ttyb-ignore-cd=true
>ttya-rts-dtr-off=false
>ttya-ignore-cd=true
>ttyb-mode=9600,8,n,1,-
>ttya-mode=9600,8,n,1,-

How do I make changes to the OBP when I can't get to the OBP?

I need to get either a Sun monitor or some kind of serial terminal
setup in order to get to the OBP in the first place.
-- 
Ted Stodgell
kart@hal-pc.org



From jeffw@smoe.org  Wed Feb 14 02:27:05 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:27:05 -0500
From: Jeff Wasilko jeffw@smoe.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 07:10:35PM -0600, Ted wrote:
> huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk said:
> > One thing that occurs is to make sure the serial ports
> > are enabled in the OBP;
> >
> >ttyb-rts-dtr-off=false
> >ttyb-ignore-cd=true
> >ttya-rts-dtr-off=false
> >ttya-ignore-cd=true
> >ttyb-mode=9600,8,n,1,-
> >ttya-mode=9600,8,n,1,-
> 
> How do I make changes to the OBP when I can't get to the OBP?
> 
> I need to get either a Sun monitor or some kind of serial terminal
> setup in order to get to the OBP in the first place.

You can change the eeprom while unix is running using the
'eeprom' command. So, if you can telnet in, you can change the
OBP.

jeff




From kart@hal-pc.org  Wed Feb 14 02:41:58 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:41:58 CST
From: Ted kart@hal-pc.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

Jeff Wasilko <jeffw@smoe.org> says:
> You can change the eeprom while unix is running using the
> 'eeprom' command. So, if you can telnet in, you can change the
> OBP.

The machine will power up but it never shows up on the network,
so I have no idea if ever completes booting.  Unix was set to
grab just any old ip via dhcp and start sshd.  Back before the
monitor died, It Used To Work Just Fine(tm)

The last time it booted I had to manually tell it what device to boot
while in the OBP, so I'm assuming it gets to the OBP and just sits
there, but without any kind of display there's no way to tell what's
going on.

I have "null-modem" cable that's DB25 on one end and DB9 on the other.
It may or may not have the correct pinout to work, but I could always
rip it apart and reconnect it so it's wired correctly.  I figured
that just any null modem cable would work :P

The case may be that OBP settings need to be changed in order to
even *see* the OBP.  Is the situation hopeless?  Do I just need to
keep hunting for a Sun monitor?

Thanks again for the help.
-- 
Ted Stodgell
kart@hal-pc.org



From schiller@agrijag.com  Wed Feb 14 03:14:19 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:14:19 -0500
From: Michael Schiller schiller@agrijag.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SES/B Sbus expansion VME card

Hi everyone!

I have an SS690MP (in my kitchen!) that has the 520 & 521 mbus cards in
them, So I only have 2 sbus slots! :( Does anyone out there have a
501-1955 (SBus Expansion Subsystem SES/B) that they'd want to sell? I
don't want to pay a whole lot for it, as this is a hobby for me, and I
really don't want to use the external xbox expansion either. But, what
good is a server in the kitchen with only 2 sbus slots ! Thanks.

-Mike
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From jeffw@smoe.org  Wed Feb 14 15:22:41 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:22:41 -0500
From: Jeff Wasilko jeffw@smoe.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:41:58PM -0600, Ted wrote:
> Jeff Wasilko <jeffw@smoe.org> says:
> > You can change the eeprom while unix is running using the
> > 'eeprom' command. So, if you can telnet in, you can change the
> > OBP.
> 
> The machine will power up but it never shows up on the network,
> so I have no idea if ever completes booting.  Unix was set to
> grab just any old ip via dhcp and start sshd.  Back before the
> monitor died, It Used To Work Just Fine(tm)
> 
> The last time it booted I had to manually tell it what device to boot
> while in the OBP, so I'm assuming it gets to the OBP and just sits
> there, but without any kind of display there's no way to tell what's
> going on.
> 
> I have "null-modem" cable that's DB25 on one end and DB9 on the other.
> It may or may not have the correct pinout to work, but I could always
> rip it apart and reconnect it so it's wired correctly.  I figured
> that just any null modem cable would work :P
> 
> The case may be that OBP settings need to be changed in order to
> even *see* the OBP.  Is the situation hopeless?  Do I just need to
> keep hunting for a Sun monitor?

If you have a sun keyboard, you can reset the NVRAM to factory
defaults by holding down stop-N while the system powers up.

See http://aa11.cjb.net/sun_managers/1998/12/msg00223.html for
more info.

You do know that the keyboard has to be unplugged for I/O to
default to console, right?

-jeff



From kart@hal-pc.org  Wed Feb 14 20:59:27 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:59:27 GMT
From: kart@hal-pc.org kart@hal-pc.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

Jeff Wasilko <jeffw@smoe.org> wrote:
> If you have a sun keyboard, you can reset the NVRAM to factory
> defaults by holding down stop-N while the system powers up.

Excellent.  I'll be sure to try that this evening.  And yes,
I did know that the keyboard has to be unplugged for I/o to
default to console.  The likely scenario is that the current
OBP settings are non-default and it's making communications
over the null-modem cable impossible.

Alternatively, there's another fellow I work with who picked
up my sparc's twin sibling at our company's surplus sale last
year.  His monitor probably still works, or he might even be
willing to sell the whole system.
-- 
Ted Stodgell
kart@hal-pc.org




From billj@ieee.org  Wed Feb 14 22:51:45 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:51:45 -0800
From: Bill Janssen billj@ieee.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ? VME SCSI card

I brought home two VME cards that I think are SCSI interface cards.
The part number is 501 1855. The FAQ says these are ISP-80 IPI Disk
controller.

What is a ISP-80 IPI disk controller? There is a "diag" switch and a
header that
says something about connecting to a maintenance terminal.

Probably won't put one in my 3/470 but would like to know what I have.

Thanks
Bill K7NOM




From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Thu Feb 15 01:50:05 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:50:05 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ? VME SCSI card

> I brought home two VME cards that I think are SCSI interface cards.
> The part number is 501 1855.  The FAQ says these are ISP-80 IPI Disk
> controller.

IPI is not SCSI.  The connector on the card is mechanically identical,
but that's about where it ends.  There are a max of four disks per
controller, if (wetware) memory serves.  I don't know how technically
good or bad IPI is as an interface, but I don't think it's compatible
with anything else in the known universe.  (One of my workplaces just
threw out six IPI drives...heavy power-hungry beasts.  You could
probably get as much SCSI disk space for what it would have cost to
ship the drives, unless you're in Montreal.  We had them on 4/470s.)

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From mjpento@mediaone.net  Thu Feb 15 01:55:47 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:55:47 -0500
From: mjpento mjpento@mediaone.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Adding a hard drive to Sparc5

Hello folks,

	I have a sparc5 with a 9.1 gig hd installed, I have added and 
successfully formatted a 1 gig hd, but, I am having a really hard 
time adding the drive to the system so that I can access it.
	Can anyone provide any sources of information on this topic? 
Maybe a website that has information on the installation of drives? I 
have found very little on my own. Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike



From garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com  Thu Feb 15 05:06:18 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:06:18 -0600
From: Garry Garrett garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

Ted wrote:
> 
> [1] Forth prompt from terminal:  Is it possible to get into the forth
> prompt from a serial terminal?  Will I have to find a new monitor?
> Any kinds of terminal to seek out or avoid?


Hard to find a terminal that doesn't emulate VT100 (VT102, VT220, VT320,
etc. - all supersets of the previous model).

If you are thinking about a null modem cable and a terminal emulation
program, make sure the program can send CTRL-BREAK (the equiv of
Stop-A).


> [2] Jumpering an internal fujitsu HD:  The replacement drive I got is
> a 4 gig, 50 pin narrow SCSI drive.  It has a warning sticker that
> says the outside of the drive must not be grounded.  There are 3
> clusters of jumpers on the bottom of the drive:
> 
> (ascii-picture of bottom of drive, jumper pins are numbered)
> -----------------------------
> | o o "TRM1"                |50 pin connector
> | o o             o o "SY"  |on this side
> | o=o             o o "R"   |
> |                 o o "WP"  |
> |                 o=o "TM"  |
> |                           |
> |                 o o "ID0" |
> |                 o o "ID1  |power connector
> |                 o o "ID2" |here
> -----------------------------
> 
> Currently only the "TM" jumper and the 3rd one in the "TRM1" cluster
> are jumpered.


Jumper settings should be defined on the vendor's web page.
Go out to http://www.fujitsu.com/


> I know only two things so far: internal drives must not have TERMPWR
> set (whatever that is), and that by default Sun hardware likes to
> boot SCSI ID3.


Suns really don't care.  Which drive to boot off of is an NVRAM
setting.  Here is the "target 3" scoop.  In the old days, of SunOS 4.x,
the kernel came configured with targets 0, 1, 2 and 3 as hard drives,
targets 4 & 5 as tape drives, and target 6 as a CD-ROM.  If you
wanted something different, you had to recompile the kernel (now
you can just "boot -r" or "touch /reconfigure").

Suns were *sold* with the internal drive as target 3.  Why?  Because
if you really didn't know what you were doing, when you went to add
a drive, you would buy an external one and just plug it in.  It came
targeted as target 0 from the factory.  When you bought a 2nd drive,
you would set that to 1, plug it in, etc.  When you bought a 3rd 
external drive, you made it target 2.  If you bought a 4th external
drive, you'd target it as 3, and have a SCSI ID conflict.  If you
don't know what you are doing, such that you'd target the drive to
the same as the internal drive, you're at the point where you need 
to recompile the kernel and you have no business attempting that 
(just buy another SCSI card).  By making the internal drive target 
3, they were looking out for people who didn't know what they were
doing.

You can make (at the OK> prompt) a "devalias" for any drive you
want, and use setenv to tell your box to boot off of that device.


> Anyone have any idea how to jumper this drive?
>
> [3] Overheating & compatibility issues with HyperSPARC cpus:  

Sorry, not something I can help you with.

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From airboss@dusk.bitstream.net  Thu Feb 15 06:00:13 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:00:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Dan Debertin airboss@dusk.bitstream.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 'ps' on diskless workstation

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Harri Haataja wrote:

>
> Is /proc really the proc file system (ls and cat around)?

No, it really isn't, now that you mention it ;). /proc appears to be
empty. I did a quick 'mount /proc', and everything seems fine. I
eventually troubleshot it to an error in the vfstab; /etc/rcS was erroring
out on my entry for / before it ever got to /proc. Fixed that line; it's
working fine now. Thanks,

Dan Debertin
airboss@dusk.bitstream.net





From garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com  Thu Feb 15 06:02:57 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:02:57 -0600
From: Garry Garrett garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System

I presume that you meant:

http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/01q1/010129/index.html

Read it.  In spite of the fact that the author tries very
hard to make it look like IDE is able to keep up, if you
read it closely you'll see that they admit that it does
not.

For starters, they are comparing SCSI on a PC to IDE on
a PC, which may or may not apply to SCSI on a Sun vs.
IDE on a Sun.  Typically, Suns have a significantly faster 
bus than PCs of the same vintage.  Celron uses the 
Pentium III command set, but many of the periphrial
chips of the Pentium II.

Another base assumption of theirs is that IDE cards only
support 4 drives, however typically have 2 drives on them,
whereas they *assume* that if you have a SCSI card that
you are necessarily going to have 7 drives on the card
just because you can.  If you were going to compare
apples to apples, then you would have the same number
of drives on each card, right?

They don't have an SCA connector, so they get a *narrow*
adaptor.  One has to wonder what effect that has on the
performance.

Next, they compare a 36GB SCSI drive an a 9 GB SCSI drive
to a 30GB IDE drive.  More apples to oranges...

When the IDE drive doesn't out perform the SCSI one of
the same vintage, "Tom" blames it on the RPM of the
drive.  Sure, that *may* be true, but perhaps if you
spun the IDE faster, it still would go through the IDE
bus any faster?  We'll never know because the IDE drive
isn't 10,000 RPM, it is 7,200 RPM.

I'm supposed to be impressed that the IDE run's cooler?
I suppose, if I had a PC, and therefore had poorly
designed air flow, that might be a factor, but not a
factor on which drive is faster.

Finally the article concludes with Tom tells us that the
IDE drive did loose, but he excuses it by implying that
it didn't loose by "that much".  He also points out that
SCSI drives are optimized for multitasking (a claim
that is based on *nothing*), which is exactly what you
would be doing on a Sun.

I'm sorry, but this article, when carefully read, says
"buy SCSI".

Kim & Kyle Bedell wrote:
> 
> Anyone whos anyone oughta check here ------------> www.tomshardware.com
>  if u still think IDE drives are slow,........here's a wake up call.
> 
> regards
> 
> Kyle
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony A. D. Talltree" <aad@talltree.net>
> To: "'Brian'" <bri@sonicboom.org>; "Brödersen Jacob K Civ HQ ACC/DRKI"
> <Jacob.Brodersen2@langley.af.mil>
> Cc: "'suns-at-hme@net-kitchen.com'" <suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Advice on New System
> 
> > >Just say NO! to IDE drives.
> >
> > Hence the AXi.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Suns-at-Home mailing list
> > Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com
> > http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Suns-at-Home mailing list
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> http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home

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From airboss@dusk.bitstream.net  Thu Feb 15 06:07:19 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:07:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Dan Debertin airboss@dusk.bitstream.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SES/B Sbus expansion VME card

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Michael Schiller wrote:

> I have an SS690MP (in my kitchen!)

lucky you! My employer has a 670MP that I'd love to take home, but I'm
having trouble negotiating with my spouse over the noise ;).

How bad are your power bills? When I've turned the machine on at work, I
see the pull on our UPS jump pretty high.

Dan Debertin
airboss@dusk.bitstream.net




From alexios@vennea.demon.co.uk  Thu Feb 15 11:12:04 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:12:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alexios Chouchoulas alexios@vennea.demon.co.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ? VME SCSI card

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Bill Janssen wrote:

> I brought home two VME cards that I think are SCSI interface cards.
> The part number is 501 1855. The FAQ says these are ISP-80 IPI Disk
> controller.
> 
> What is a ISP-80 IPI disk controller?

  It's a controller for IPI (Intelligent Peripheral Interface) hard disks.
Not a SCSI host adapter. :-) Suns connected to right about all types of HDD
of the day: SCSI, SMD, IPI, ESDI and even MFM/RLL (through SCSI-to-ESDI and
SCSI-to-MFM bridges). My own 3/160 came with SCSI, MFM and SMD. :-)

  You'll need an IPI disk for this beastie. Copying from the Sun Hardware
FAQ [1]:

--- CUT HERE -----------------------------------------------------------

    IPI
    ---

   IPI stands for Intelligent Peripheral Interface. It moves much of the
low-level I/O processing to the interface controller, relieving the
system CPU of the burden. Disks are daisy-chained as with SCSI, but up
to eight units are supported on one controller. As with SCSI, the chain
must be terminated. The maximum disk tranfer rate is 6M per second.

   Note that more than four disks on a controller usually loads it
heavily and can cause the system to be unstable. With high-performance
disks capable of sustained 6M per second transfers, even three can be
too much.

   Performance information for some Sun stock IPI disks:

        CAPACITY                911M    1.3G
        FORM FACTOR (in)        8       5.25
        AVERAGE SEEK (ms)       15      11.5
        RAW DISK TRANSFER       6       3.5-4
          RATE (Mbps)
        PERFORMANCE (Kbps)*     1368    1408
        RPM                     3600    5400
        MTBF (hours)            50,000  100,000
        CONTROLLER              ISP-80  ISP-80

* "Sun performs a combination of random and sequential benchmarks to
   develop an overall measurement of performance for mass-storage
   products. These tests are performed on Sun systems and a geometric
   mean is calculated to generate a composite of the performance that a
   typical user might expect."


--- CUT HERE -----------------------------------------------------------


Alexios

[1] http://www.sunhelp.org/faq/sunref5.html, among *many* other places.

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From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Thu Feb 15 04:33:34 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:33:34 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Adding a hard drive to Sparc5

> I have a sparc5 with a 9.1 gig hd installed, I have added and
> successfully formatted a 1 gig hd,

What was wrong with it that it needed formatting?  Could this be
related?  A disk modern enough to be even approximately 1G generally
has to have something pretty drastic go wrong with it for it to need
(re)formatting.

> but, I am having a really hard time adding the drive to the system so
> that I can access it.

> Can anyone provide any sources of information on this topic?

Not without knowing what OS you're running, not really.  This is
primarily an OS issue, and of the four OSes I know of that run on
SPARCs (I think they all run on the 5), I know the necessary procedures
for one (NetBSD) and have good guesses for two more (Solaris and
OpenBSD)...and one of the latter two (Solaris) is drastically different
from the others.  (The fourth is SparcLinux, and I know zilch about its
procedures for this.)

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From david@catwhisker.org  Thu Feb 15 15:12:42 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:12:42 -0800 (PST)
From: David Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:06:18 -0600
>From: Garry Garrett <garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com>

>If you are thinking about a null modem cable and a terminal emulation
>program, make sure the program can send CTRL-BREAK (the equiv of
>Stop-A).

Perhaps a minor nit (to be a tad redundant), but it may be useful to
distinguish a little between the keystrokes used and what is sent down the
line.

First, what is wanted (in order to do the equivalent of L1-A or Stop-A
using a "dumb terminal" is to generate a "framing error" -- that is, on
a serial line, a sequence of enough consecutive 0-bits that it cannot
possibly correspond to any valid character.  (So for a serial line being
used with 8-bit characters, no "parity" bits, and 1 stop bit, you would
normally see a "start bit" (1), 8 "data bits" (any of which may be either
0 or 1), and a "stop bit" (1).  So 9 consecutive 0 bits cannot
correspond to any valid character with this framing.

A BREAK sequence (which is not a "character" in the ASCII or any other
character set) is something that will guarantee a "framing error".

Some terminal (emulation programs) use the key labelled "BREAK" to do
this; others may use a keyboard chord, such as SHIFT-BREAK or
CONTROL-BREAK; especially in the case of emulation programs, it is often
a key sequence (such as ~# immediately following a newline in "tip").

Interrupting the serial connection in question will frequently also
cause such a framing error, which is why it's good to be aware of what's
going on if you're in a position where such an interruption is likely.

Cheers,
david
-- 
David H. Wolfskill				david@catwhisker.org
As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to
advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal
amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product.



From bt@insiders-fs.com  Thu Feb 15 14:30:32 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:30:32 +0100
From: Volker Borchert bt@insiders-fs.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

Garry Garrett <garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com> writes:

|> Suns were *sold* with the internal drive as target 3.  Why?  Because
|> if you really didn't know what you were doing, when you went to add
|> a drive, you would buy an external one and just plug it in. 

Not really. The Sun-3 series had the first drive at target 0.
Sun-4 machines had the first drive at target 3 so that you could
connect your precious old hard disk taken from your Sun-3 without
rejumpering. This was intended to ease the transition from Sun-3
to Sun-4, but (IMHO) caused much more trouble than it was worth.

Some OBP versions have an envariable to re-map SCSI IDs.




From sun@minor-element.net  Thu Feb 15 16:07:54 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:07:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Wedel sun@minor-element.net
Subject: Utility Bill of a 670 Was : [Suns-at-Home] SES/B Sbus expansion
 VME card

Dan, for what it's worth, I estimate that I pay around 60$ a month here in
St Louis to run my 670MP and matching Mass Storage unit. Thats with quad
SM51's running 4 instances of Seti@home, 6 Full size full height elite9
hardrives, and a vt220 to monitor logs. I have a picture of it on my site
listed below.

p.s. Gotta wonder though, how much it saves me on gas for the furnace
during the winter ;)

--
Martin Wedel
sun@minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Dan Debertin wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Michael Schiller wrote:
>
> How bad are your power bills? When I've turned the machine on at work, I
> see the pull on our UPS jump pretty high.
>
> Dan Debertin
> airboss@dusk.bitstream.net
>




From m_thompson@ids.net  Thu Feb 15 16:04:21 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:04:21 -0500
From: Michael Thompson m_thompson@ids.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ? VME SCSI card

>I brought home two VME cards that I think are SCSI interface cards.
>The part number is 501 1855. The FAQ says these are ISP-80 IPI Disk
>controller.
>
>What is a ISP-80 IPI disk controller? There is a "diag" switch and a
>header that
>says something about connecting to a maintenance terminal.
>
>Probably won't put one in my 3/470 but would like to know what I have.
>
>Thanks
>Bill K7NOM


The ISP-80 controller is for IPI disks. They use a 50 pin D-Sub connector
like Sun-3 SCSI. I have three 1.2GB 9" IPI disks on my 4/470. They are will
work on your 3/470.



Michael Thompson
E-Mail: M_Thompson@IDS.net




From sun@minor-element.net  Thu Feb 15 16:46:55 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:46:55 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Wedel sun@minor-element.net
Subject: Utility Bill of a 670 Was : [Suns-at-Home] SES/B Sbus expansion
 VME card

Why, looking for aliens of course! Seti@home is a program that you run on
your machine that allows you to join a large collaborative effort to
process all the data mined from the SETI project. Check out
www.setiathome.com for more details.

I run for copies (instances) just to give each proc something to do when
they aren't serving up webpages and samba shares to my home network. It
kinda works like a thermostat for my bedroom (yes, the 670 is in my
bedroom and my g/f doesn't even mind) I swear, it gets noticeably warmer
the higher the load, more than you'd expect. Guess I'll have to cut
back to one seti instance in the summer ;)

--
Martin Wedel
sun@minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Zachary Uram wrote:

> whoa
> what is an Seti@home instance and why u running 4?
> what u using this system to do?
>




From tfitz@MIT.EDU  Thu Feb 15 19:30:13 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:30:13 -0500
From: Tom Fitzgerald tfitz@MIT.EDU
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] ? VME SCSI card

> IPI is not SCSI.  The connector on the card is mechanically identical,
> but that's about where it ends.  There are a max of four disks per
> controller, if (wetware) memory serves.  I don't know how technically
> good or bad IPI is as an interface, but I don't think it's compatible
> with anything else in the known universe.  (One of my workplaces just
> threw out six IPI drives...heavy power-hungry beasts.  You could
> probably get as much SCSI disk space for what it would have cost to
> ship the drives, unless you're in Montreal.  We had them on 4/470s.)

A flaw with many (all?) IPI drives is that they need to be backed up,
reformatted and restored every year or two, or the data rots away.

I don't know if this was a universal quality, but it was true of all (4)
of the IPI disks I've ever had to deal with.






From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Thu Feb 15 17:34:52 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:34:52 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

>> [...] make sure the program can send CTRL-BREAK (the equiv of
>> Stop-A).

> First, what is wanted (in order to do the equivalent of L1-A or
> Stop-A using a "dumb terminal" is to generate a "framing error" --

Well...this depends on the OS.

Some serial line hardware (and I think the 8530s that Sun tends to use
qualify) can distinguish between a break condition and other framing
errors.  As you say, a framing error is, basically, any signal sequence
that has a start bit but doesn't have a valid stop bit at the correct
time.  A break condition is a particular subclass of framing error
which consists, loosely speaking, of a very wide start bit with no data
or stop bits.

And the serial-line interrupt routine, which is where console abort is
handled, may be written so as to abort on any framing error, or only on
break...or whatever its author feels like; in principle, it could be
written to abort on receiving "ok> ".

The only source tree I have handy to look at is a NetBSD one, and in
that one aborts happen only on break, not other framing errors.  (Or at
least, they happen only when the "BREAK detected" bit is set, and there
is a different "framing error detected" bit; I haven't got the 8530
datasheets to read to know exactly when those bits get set.)

					der Mouse

			       mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca
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From negativl@best.com  Thu Feb 15 17:09:35 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:09:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Raymond Wong negativl@best.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs



Volker Borchert wrote:
> Garry Garrett <garry@cx281507-a.blvue1.ne.home.com> writes:
> 
> |> Suns were *sold* with the internal drive as target 3.  Why?  Because
> |> if you really didn't know what you were doing, when you went to add
> |> a drive, you would buy an external one and just plug it in. 
> 
> Not really. The Sun-3 series had the first drive at target 0.
> Sun-4 machines had the first drive at target 3 so that you could
> connect your precious old hard disk taken from your Sun-3 without
> rejumpering. This was intended to ease the transition from Sun-3
> to Sun-4, but (IMHO) caused much more trouble than it was worth.

Closer, but there's a tiny bit more to it.  Just let me get my
"uphill both ways" hat on, and I'll tell you all what it was actually
like in the old days. ;)

As it happens, the SparcStation 1 was the first Sun workstation to
come *standard* with an internal hard drive.  In the Sun 3/* days,
there was no *standard* hard drive, it was an option/add-on:
you could order the shoebox or not.  The shoebox generally had 1 or 2
drives, ID 0, 1, or 0 & 1.  The shoeboxen were a PITA to change ID
on, as this was also the days before ID select wheels.  If you
were a "typical" sun shop with multiple workstations, spending
a few days unscrewing cases, unplugging cables, unscrewing boards,
and generally tearing apart shoeboxes to get at the drives, wasn't
exactly appealing.

So, part of the problem is that not everyone HAD shoeboxen
on their Sun 3/*.  Those that did often had a lot, so Sun was
trying to find a solution that minimized efforts on both.

Sun's solution was to change the default scsiID to make life more
convenient on their existing customer base.  That it also makes
life simpler on the "black-box" admin is a nice side effect.

For a lot of us, it made zero difference.  As expensive as hard
drives were, they still didn't compare to the cost of a new workstation.
It was easy enough to not reclaim those shoeboxes when ordering
new machines.  A few sites that did trade-in/upgrades probably
made the actual decision, since that would be time from a Sun FE
to do the actual ID changes (Sites doing trade-in were also
more likely to rely on the vendor to do the changeover).



Ray Wong                                               PO BOX 6163
negativl at best.com, negativl at netcom.com           Hayward, CA 94540-6163
Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club
Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club



From campbell@mindless.com  Fri Feb 16 08:17:32 2001
Date: 16 Feb 2001 21:17:32 +1300
From: campbell steven campbell@mindless.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun IPX modem cable and mouse problems

Hi,

I have aquired a Sun sparc station IPX, I am wanting to connect my 56k
modem to it via the serial port. My modem has a DB9 plug on it. Can
anyone point me to a site where I can find pin outs to make this cable?

Also the machine came with a optical mouse, the boxy rectangular shaped
one but with no pad, I printed out one of the postscript pad, and i can
get *some* movement out of it but only on the vertical axis, it doesn't
seem to move horizontally at all. Only one of the leds lights on the
bottom of the mouse lights up i'm not sure if that has any thing to do
with it or not.

Out of interest under ideal circumstances how do these optical mice
perform compared to your average mouse. 

Thanks in advance

Campbell Steven




From sunsathome@dobyns.com  Fri Feb 16 08:00:10 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:00:10 -0800
From: Barry A. Dobyns sunsathome@dobyns.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: in.named pain and suffering

#!/usr/bin/perl

## Copyright (c) 1996, 1997 by Internet Software Consortium
##
## Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any
## purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above
## copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
##
## THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND INTERNET SOFTWARE CONSORTIUM
DISCLAIMS
## ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED
WARRANTIES
## OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL INTERNET SOFTWARE
## CONSORTIUM BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
## DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR
## PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS
## ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF
THIS
## SOFTWARE.

## $Id: named-bootconf.pl,v 8.16 1998/02/13 19:48:25 halley Exp $

# This is a filter.  Input is a named.boot.  Output is a named.conf.

$new_config = "";

$have_options = 0;
%options = ();
%options_comments = ();
@topology = ();
@topology_comments = ();
@bogus = ();
@bogus_comments = ();
@transfer_acl = ();
@transfer_comments = ();
$logging = "";

while(<>) {
    next if /^$/;

    # skip comment-only lines
    if (/^\s*;+\s*(.*)$/) {
        $new_config .= "// $1\n";
        next;
    }

    # handle continued lines
    while (/\\$/) {
        s/\\$/ /;
        $_ .= <>;
    }

    chop;

    # deal with lines ending in a coment
    if (s/\s*;+\s*(.*)$//) {
        $comment = "// $1";
    } else {
        $comment = "";
    }

    ($directive, @rest) = split;

    $class = "";
    if ($directive =~ /^(.*)\/(.*)$/) {
        $directive = $1;
        $class = $2;
    }

    if ($directive eq "primary") {
        $zname = shift(@rest);
        &maybe_print_comment("","\n");
        $new_config .= "zone \"$zname\" ";
        if ($class ne "") {
            $new_config .= "$class ";
        }
        $new_config .= "{\n";
        $new_config .= "\ttype master;\n";
        $filename = shift(@rest);
        $new_config .= "\tfile \"$filename\";\n";
        $new_config .= "};\n\n";
    } elsif ($directive eq "secondary" || $directive eq "stub") {
        if ($directive eq "secondary") {
            $type = "slave";
        } else {
            $type = "stub";
        }
        $zname = shift(@rest);
        &maybe_print_comment("","\n");
        $new_config .= "zone \"$zname\" ";
        if ($class ne "") {
            $new_config .= "$class ";
        }
        $new_config .= "{\n";
        $new_config .= "\ttype $type;\n";
        $filename = pop(@rest);
        if ($filename =~ /^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+$/) {
            push(@rest, $filename);
            $filename = "";
        } else {
            $new_config .= "\tfile \"$filename\";\n";
        }
        $new_config .= "\tmasters {\n";
        foreach $master (@rest) {
            $new_config .= "\t\t$master;\n";
        }
        $new_config .= "\t};\n";
        $new_config .= "};\n\n";
    } elsif ($directive eq "cache") {
        $zname = shift(@rest);
        &maybe_print_comment("","\n");
        $new_config .= "zone \"$zname\" {\n";
        $new_config .= "\ttype hint;\n";
        $filename = shift(@rest);
        $new_config .= "\tfile \"$filename\";\n";
        $new_config .= "};\n\n";
    } elsif ($directive eq "directory") {
        $options{"directory"} = "\"$rest[0]\"";
        $options_comments{"directory"} = $comment;
        $have_options = 1;
    } elsif ($directive eq "check-names") {
        $type = shift(@rest);
        if ($type eq "primary") {
            $type = "master";
        } elsif ($type eq "secondary") {
            $type = "slave";
        }
        $action = shift(@rest);
        $options{"check-names $type"} = $action;
        $options_comments{"check-names $type"} = $comment;
        $have_options = 1;
    } elsif ($directive eq "forwarders") {
        $options{"forwarders"}="{\n";
        foreach $forwarder (@rest) {
            $options{"forwarders"} .= "\t\t$forwarder;\n";
        }
        $options{"forwarders"} .= "\t}";
        $options_comments{"forwarders"} = $comment;
        $have_options = 1;
    } elsif ($directive eq "slave") {
        &handle_options("forward-only");
    } elsif ($directive eq "options") {
        &handle_options(@rest);
    } elsif ($directive eq "limit") {
        &handle_limit(@rest);
    } elsif ($directive eq "include") {
        $new_config .=
            "// make sure your include is still in the right place\n";
        $comment = "\t" . $comment;
        $new_config .= "include \"$rest[0]\";$comment\n\n";
    } elsif ($directive eq "xfrnets" || $directive eq "tcplist") {
        if ($comment ne "") {
            $comment = "\t$comment";
        }
        foreach $elt (@rest) {
            push(@transfer_acl, $elt);
            push(@transfer_comments, $comment);
        }
        $have_options = 1;
    } elsif ($directive eq "sortlist") {
        if ($comment ne "") {
            $comment = "\t$comment";
        }
        foreach $elt (@rest) {
            push(@topology, $elt);
            push(@topology_comments, $comment);
        }
    } elsif ($directive eq "bogusns") {
        if ($comment ne "") {
            $comment = "\t$comment";
        }
        foreach $elt (@rest) {
            push(@bogus, $elt);
            push(@bogus_comments, $comment);
        }
    } elsif ($directive eq "max-fetch") {
        $options{"transfers-in"}=$rest[0];
        $options_comments{"transfers-in"}=$comment;
        $have_options = 1;
    } else {
        $new_config .= "// NOTE: unconverted directive '$directive
@rest'\n\n";
    }
}

print "// generated by named-bootconf.pl\n\n";
if ($have_options) {
    print "options {\n";
    foreach $option (sort(keys(%options))) {
        print "\t$option $options{$option};";
        if ($options_comments{$option} ne "") {
            print "\t$options_comments{$option}";
        }
        print "\n";
    }
    if (@transfer_acl > 0) {
        print "\tallow-transfer {\n";
        for ($i = 0; $i <= $#transfer_acl; $i++) {
            &print_maybe_masked("\t\t", $transfer_acl[$i],
                                $transfer_comments[$i]);
        }
        print "\t};\n";
    }
    print "\t/*
\t * If there is a firewall between you and nameservers you want
\t * to talk to, you might need to uncomment the query-source
\t * directive below.  Previous versions of BIND always asked
\t * questions using port 53, but BIND 8.1 uses an unprivileged
\t * port by default.
\t */
\t// query-source address * port 53;
";

    print "};\n\n";
}
if ($logging ne "") {
    print "logging {\n$logging};\n\n";
}
if (@topology > 0) {
    print "// Note: the following will be supported in a future release.\n";
    print "/*\n";
    print "host { any; } {\n\ttopology {\n";
    for ($i = 0; $i <= $#topology; $i++) {
        &print_maybe_masked("\t\t", $topology[$i],
                            $topology_comments[$i]);
    }
    print "\t};\n};\n";
    print "*/\n";
    print "\n";
}
if (@bogus > 0) {
    for ($i = 0; $i <= $#bogus; $i++) {
        print "server $bogus[$i] { bogus yes; };$bogus_comments[$i]\n";
    }
    print "\n";
}
print $new_config;

exit 0;

sub maybe_print_comment {
    $prefix = shift;
    $suffix = shift;
    if ($comment ne "") {
        $new_config .= sprintf("%s%s%s", $prefix, $comment, $suffix);
    }
}

sub handle_options {
    foreach $option (@_) {
        if ($option eq "forward-only") {
            $options{"forward"}="only";
            $options_comments{"forward"}=$comment;
            $have_options = 1;
        } elsif ($option eq "no-recursion") {
            $options{"recursion"}="no";
            $options_comments{"recursion"}=$comment;
            $have_options = 1;
        } elsif ($option eq "no-fetch-glue") {
            $options{"fetch-glue"}="no";
            $options_comments{"fetch-glue"}=$comment;
            $have_options = 1;
        } elsif ($option eq "fake-iquery") {
            $options{"fake-iquery"}="yes";
            $options_comments{"fake-iquery"}=$comment;
            $have_options = 1;
        } elsif ($option eq "query-log") {
            if ($comment ne "") {
                $logging .= "\t$comment\n";
            }
            $logging .= "\tcategory queries { default_syslog; };\n";
        } else {
            $options{"// NOTE: unconverted option '$option'"}="";
            $options_comments{"// NOTE: unconverted option '$option'"}=
                $comment;
            $have_options = 1;
        }
    }
}

sub handle_limit {
    $limit = shift;
    if ($limit eq "datasize" || $limit eq "transfers-in"
        || $limit eq "transfers-per-ns" || $limit eq "files") {
        $options{$limit}=$_[0];
        $options_comments{$limit}=$comment;
        $have_options = 1;
    } else {
        $options{"// NOTE: unconverted limit '$limit @_'"}="";
        $options_comments{"// NOTE: unconverted limit '$limit
@_'"}=$comment;
        $have_options = 1;
    }
}

sub print_maybe_masked {
    # this assumes a contiguous netmask starting at the MSB
    $prefix = shift;
    $elt = shift;
    $elt_comment = shift;
    if ($elt =~ /^(.*)&(.*)$/) {
        $address = $1;
        $mask = $2;
        ($m1,$m2,$m3,$m4) = split(/\./, $mask);
        $mask_val = ($m1 << 24) + ($m2 << 16) +($m3 << 8) + $m4;
        $zero_bits = 0;
        while (($mask_val % 2) == 0) {
            $mask_val /= 2;
            $zero_bits++;
        }
        $mask_bits = 32 - $zero_bits;
    } else {
        $address = $elt;
        ($a1,$a2,$a3,$a4) = split(/\./, $address);
        if ($a1 < 128) {
            $mask_bits = 8;
        } elsif ($a1 < 192) {
            $mask_bits = 16;
        } else {
            $mask_bits = 24;
        }
    }

    print "$prefix$address";
    if ($mask_bits != 32) {
        print "/$mask_bits";
    }
    print ";$elt_comment\n";
}

#
#----- Original Message -----
#From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@an.bradford.ma.us>
#To: <suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com>
#Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:38 PM
#Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: in.named pain and suffering
#

# "From: Jan Steinman <Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
# "
# "Before I go crawling through the (overly complex) man page, does
# "anyone have a script to translate old named.boot files to named.conf
# "format?
#
# no, but i - rummaging around stokely.com i think - found a script that
# sets your system up to be a cacheing dns server, and it handles both
# bind 4 [old] and bind 8 [new] style configs.  it didn't properly
# detect that my old 2.5 system was bind 4 though.
# _____________________________________________________________________
# Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
# internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
# adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)
# _______________________________________________
# Suns-at-Home mailing list
# Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com
# http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home
#




From bdavies@hotmail.com  Thu Feb 15 22:22:30 2001
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:22:30 -0800
From: brian davies bdavies@hotmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sun4c gear for free (almost)

It's spring cleaning time around my house and with that, it's time
to get rid of my old sun4c gear.  I'm not using it, and I'd much
rather give it away, then throw it away.

All four of these boxes have dead NVRAM, but all have salvagable
parts.  With the exception of the SPARCstation2, all boxes are FREE,
but the acquirer (that's you) pays packaging/shipping/handling.

I'm in Seattle, Washington, so use that as your yardstick for whether
or not you'd be willing to pay shipping expenses.

After this lot goes, I've got a SPARCstation 10 and a SPARCstation 20,
plus a few SBus cards (2 Quad Ethernet, 1 10/100 Ethernet) to get rid
of, but I haven't figured out what would be fair pricing on those
boxes yet.

And, I've got a Weitek chip extractor/installer that someone could
make better use of then me.

Thanks,

        brian

Machine details:

Machine 1:
==========
SPARCstation 1, No keyboard.
ROM Rev. 1.3, 12 MB memory installed, Serial #16777215.
Ethernet address ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, Host ID: ffffffff.

SPARCstation 1 details: - No floppy
- No video
- No hard drive sleds
- 12 MB RAM (12 x 1 MB SIMMS - Mix of Sun and Non Sun memory)

Dead NVRAM, but this machine will boot if you put a disk into it.


Machine 2:
==========
SPARCstation 1+ details:
- working floppy
- 1 hard drive sled
- no memory
- case damaged - the previous owner snapped one of the
   front case tabs off.

No memory, so I wasn't able to pull a banner off this one.  This is
actually the worst of the lot.  As noted above, the case for this
machine was abused by an impatient user.


Machine 3:
==========
SPARCstation IPX
WARNING: Unable to determine keyboard type
    FAILURE: No Trap Taken, Exp Trap Type = 00000009

SPARCstation IPX details:
- New power supply
- 424 MB hard drive
- working floppy
- 32 MB RAM (2 x 16 MB SIMMS - Non Sun memory)
- Dataram 64 MB Memory Expansion card (takes an SBus slot)
- 2 serial cables (8-pin DIN to 25-pin)
- AUI to 10baseT transceiver (Cabletron)

Hmmm...  This was odd as this machine used to boot properly.
I cannibalized it for memory when I got my LX.  The Dataram
card is questionable.  I picked up two for free, but I never
got around to fully testing them.  This one seemed to work,
but *I* wouldn't bet any money on it.  The power supply on
this machine is a brand new (remanufactured) one from Sun
which I managed to pick up.  I suspect this problem is CPU
related as this box had a Weitek PowerUP in it at one point
before I swapped it out into another machine.


Machine 4:
==========
SPARCstation 2, No Keyboard
ROM Rev. 2.9, 128 MB memory installed, Serial #16777215.
Ethernet address ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, Host ID: ffffffff.

SPARCstation 2 details:
- Weitek PowerUP processor
- working floppy
- 424 MB and 207 MB hard drives
- Turbo GX Frame Buffer
- 64 MB RAM (16 x 4 MB SIMMS all Sun memory)
- Dataram 64 MB Memory Expansion card (takes an SBus slot)
- AUI to 10baseT transceiver (Cabletron)

This was my main machine before I picked up my LX and then an SS20.
The NVRAM is a recent death.  I was able to boot the machine to the
Solaris 2.4 installation on the 424 disk.  As with the IPX, the
Dataram card is questionable.  Occasionally, the machine was unable
to successfully test the expansion memory, and other times it worked
fine.

I'd like to get $50 (and shipping, etc.) for this box for sentimental
reasons, but again, I'd like to rid of it so let's talk.



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From bt@insiders-fs.com  Fri Feb 16 14:45:06 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:45:06 +0100
From: Volker Borchert bt@insiders-fs.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

In message <200102151734.MAA17567@Twig.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> you write:

|> Some serial line hardware (and I think the 8530s that Sun tends to use
|> qualify) can distinguish between a break condition and other framing
|> errors.

Of course. The 8530 (successor to the famous Z80-SIO) is one of the
most sophisticated serial I/O controllers available. IIRC it even
supplies different interrupt vectors for these conditions.

	Vol"Zilog forever"ker



From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Fri Feb 16 15:35:51 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:35:51 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun IPX modem cable and mouse problems

> I have aquired a Sun sparc station IPX, I am wanting to connect my
> 56k modem to it via the serial port.  My modem has a DB9 plug on it.
> Can anyone point me to a site where I can find pin outs to make this
> cable?

Not unless www.sunhelp.org's collection of Sun info has one somewhere.
But I have plenty of miniDIN8-to-DB25 cables, including one pukka Sun
one; I can always describe that pinout.  I think I have a DB25-to-DB9
cable somewhere too; I could connect them and check the result.  Let me
know if you'd like me to and I'll do it.  (I can't right now; it's at
home and I'm not.)

> Also the machine came with a optical mouse, the boxy rectangular
> shaped one but with no pad, I printed out one of the postscript pad,
> and i can get *some* movement out of it but only on the vertical
> axis, it doesn't seem to move horizontally at all.

That matches my experience with trying to use other than matching pads.

> Only one of the leds lights on the bottom of the mouse lights up i'm
> not sure if that has any thing to do with it or not.

Most likely they both actually light up; it's just that one is a colour
the human eye can't see.  (Infrared, I suspect.)  I've never seen a Sun
optical mouse that has both LEDs visibly lit....

> Out of interest under ideal circumstances how do these optical mice
> perform compared to your average mouse.

I don't have that much experience, but, well, for optical mice I find
them to be pretty good.  (Of course, optical mice have many differences
from mechanical mice; depending on the context, they may be advantages
or disadvantages.  The major one that comes to mind is that the
coordinate system of an optical mouse is tied to the pad rather than
the mouse.)

					der Mouse

			       mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca
		     7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B



From geaga@lainet.com  Fri Feb 16 16:17:50 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:17:50 -0800
From: Jorge V. Geaga geaga@lainet.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 2.3 manuals

Hi Dwight:

Your note from 1997 indicated a Solaris 2.3 manual set. I have
just resurrected a Sparc 1+ with Solaris 2.3 installed and am
seeking a manual set which can help me reconfigure the machine
to add 

1) another SCSI drive
2) install an exabyte (SCSI)
3) install a 150 Mb QIC tape drive (SCSI).


Thanks for your help.


Jorge





From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Fri Feb 16 18:54:15 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:54:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

"From: Raymond Wong <negativl@best.com>
"
"As it happens, the SparcStation 1 was the first Sun workstation to
"come *standard* with an internal hard drive.  In the Sun 3/* days,

what about the 3/80?  it had the same chassis [my ss2 is wearing a
3/80 lid right now] and -could- have internal drives...
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Fri Feb 16 18:49:03 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:49:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: ? VME SCSI card

"From: Tom Fitzgerald <tfitz@mit.edu>
"
"A flaw with many (all?) IPI drives is that they need to be backed up,
"reformatted and restored every year or two, or the data rots away.
"
"I don't know if this was a universal quality, but it was true of all (4)
"of the IPI disks I've ever had to deal with.

i've seen it on smd drives also.  i always thought it was because of
the temperature these old monsters ran at.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Fri Feb 16 18:17:01 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:17:01 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: in.named pain and suffering

>#!/usr/bin/perl

[script deleted]

Thanks, Barry! I now have it working, and successfully doing lookups 
and serving as my LAN's primary DNS.

Unfortunately, getting Network Solutions and three other registrars 
to go along with this has become a major PITA... I think many hours 
will have been spent on hold, and many emails will have been 
exchanged before I'm actually serving these domains to The World... 
:-(

BTW: real cute how you made the original thread a comment in the perl 
script... :-)

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA  Fri Feb 16 18:57:34 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:57:34 -0500 (EST)
From: der Mouse mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

>> Some serial line hardware (and I think the 8530s that Sun tends to
>> use qualify) can distinguish between a break condition and other
>> framing errors.

> Of course. The 8530 (successor to the famous Z80-SIO) is one of the
> most sophisticated serial I/O controllers available.

Ouch.  The serial line world is in trouble.

No FIFO to speak of, ÷32 and ÷64 but nothing between ÷1 and ÷16, a ÷1
mode that borders on unusable for input, and all the problems listed in
the comment block in sys/dev/ic/z850reg.h (in NetBSD - most briefly:
"everything multiplexed out the wazoo", bits scattered all over,
registers with incompatible read and write functionality, no decent
separation between the two channels, the "point high" stupidity crammed
in with various resets and enables, schizoid bits-per-char values,
hardware flow control that uses the wrong signals).

					der Mouse

			       mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca
		     7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B



From aad@talltree.net  Fri Feb 16 22:39:14 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:39:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony A. D. Talltree aad@talltree.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs

>"As it happens, the SparcStation 1 was the first Sun workstation to
>"come *standard* with an internal hard drive.  In the Sun 3/* days,

>what about the 3/80?  it had the same chassis [my ss2 is wearing a
>3/80 lid right now] and -could- have internal drives...

IIRC the 3/80 came out after the SS1.  In a former life my boss stuck my
employer with scores of them because he didn't trust sun4's yet.



From dmucciol@genuity.com  Fri Feb 16 22:37:29 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:37:29 -0500
From: David Muccioli dmucciol@genuity.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 2.3 manuals


"Jorge V. Geaga" wrote:
> 
> Hi Dwight:
> 
> Your note from 1997 indicated a Solaris 2.3 manual set. I have
> just resurrected a Sparc 1+ with Solaris 2.3 installed and am
> seeking a manual set which can help me reconfigure the machine
> to add
> 

I would suggest http://docs.sun.com  but they only appear to have
Solaris 2.4 to present :-(
DM

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|  Unix Systems Admin       800-378-2035                          |
@---------------------------@  Genuity  @-------------------------@
  
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         indistinguishable from magic" -- Arthur C. Clarke



From duffner@fh-konstanz.de  Fri Feb 16 23:17:37 2001
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:17:37 +0100 (CET)
From: Rainer Duffner duffner@fh-konstanz.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 2.3 manuals

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Jorge V. Geaga wrote:

> Hi Dwight:
> 
> Your note from 1997 indicated a Solaris 2.3 manual set. I have
> just resurrected a Sparc 1+ with Solaris 2.3 installed and am
> seeking a manual set which can help me reconfigure the machine
> to add 
> 
> 1) another SCSI drive
> 2) install an exabyte (SCSI)
> 3) install a 150 Mb QIC tape drive (SCSI).
 
Did they come with real manuals back then ? 
I guess, that was the last millennium...

I'd say that a copy of the first edition
of the Unix System Administration Handbook (Nemeth et.al.)
might also be helpful.                    

cheers, 
Rainer
-- 
========================================
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 eMail:  duffner@fh-konstanz.de
       rainer.duffner@surf24.de
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========================================




From negativl@best.com  Fri Feb 16 21:54:22 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:54:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Raymond Wong negativl@best.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: serial terminals, ss10 HDs, and hot hypersparcs



Sandwich Maker wrote:
> "From: Raymond Wong <negativl@best.com>
> "
> "As it happens, the SparcStation 1 was the first Sun workstation to
> "come *standard* with an internal hard drive.  In the Sun 3/* days,
> 
> what about the 3/80?  it had the same chassis [my ss2 is wearing a
> 3/80 lid right now] and -could- have internal drives...

Well, since you mention it, the 3/80 was Sun's hedge bet.  It came out
mostly in case the SS1 flopped, but as you noticed, it's the SS1 chassis.
It didn't predate the SS1.  Internally, it doesn't share much with
the rest of the Sun-3 line.  AFAICR, it's the only 68030 based one,
the rest being other motorola 680x0.




Ray Wong                                               PO BOX 6163
negativl at best.com, negativl at netcom.com           Hayward, CA 94540-6163
Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club
Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club



From negativl@best.com  Sat Feb 17 10:13:07 2001
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:13:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Raymond Wong negativl@best.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris 2.3 manuals

Rainer Duffner wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Jorge V. Geaga wrote:
> > just resurrected a Sparc 1+ with Solaris 2.3 installed and am
> > seeking a manual set which can help me reconfigure the machine
> > to add 
> > 
> > 1) another SCSI drive
> > 2) install an exabyte (SCSI)
> > 3) install a 150 Mb QIC tape drive (SCSI).

First off, the good news is that, for the most part, all of these
devices were already in existence, so should be supported.  The
possible question mark is what generation of exabyte.  The XL tapes
were pretty new, though if memory serves they still worked.  All
8mm before that definitely worked.

Either a simple "boot -r" from the ok> prompt, or any of the other
reconfig boots should work, or the more manual
/usr/sbin/drvconfig
/usr/sbin/devlinks
/usr/sbin/disks
etc...

should work.

> Did they come with real manuals back then ? 
> I guess, that was the last millennium...

Actually, the manuals didn't ever exactly come standard, but they
were an option and most folks knew to at least order one set when
they started out.  The cheap thing to get was the 2.3 answerbook CD,
which looked suspiciously like a series of postscript formatted files
containing the old printed style man pages...


> I'd say that a copy of the first edition
> of the Unix System Administration Handbook (Nemeth et.al.)
> might also be helpful.                    

The Windsor books from Sun (vol 1 & 2) would probably be more
applicable, if you can find the older edition from 94/5ish.

If you're going to run an old OS, make sure you have a complete media
kit.  Not being able to recover means it's a disposable system which
you eventually just give up on.  If you have the media kit for 2.3,
search immediately for the packet that would have been marked "Late
Breaking News" or something like that.  It'll contain the workarounds
for the bugs that were discovered after everything else was cast in
stone.  Failure to observe any procedures doc'd in your release could
mean the system will not successfully reboot after a reinstall.

(2.3 was one of the first versions of Solaris 2 to be mostly stable,
in that it would boot of the install, the install would generally run.
once you had a successful post-install reboot, it'd stay up for quite
a while, barring other, more specific bugs.  Getting that post-install
reboot to happen was far from certain, however.  I have been told of
stable 2.0 installs, but was never able to witness one firsthand)

Personally, I'd say the most useful thing to have for a SS1+ is a
newer OS.  Solaris 2.6 will work on that machine, and won't be that
much slower in non-graphic mode.  NetBSD and OpenBSD both have stable,
bootable support for it, and are pretty quick.  Heck, if you want to
run a commercial OS, find a 4.1.3 CD and go to (gnu) town.  It'll be a lot
more stable and efficient (and no worse for support) than 2.3.

(shuddering at memories of the nisplus that bundled with 2.3...)


Ray Wong                                               PO BOX 6163
negativl at best.com, negativl at netcom.com           Hayward, CA 94540-6163
Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club
Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club



From shall1@columbus.rr.com  Sat Feb 17 01:24:10 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:24:10 -0500
From: Sheldon T. Hall shall1@columbus.rr.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] IPX Serial and Mouse

A Macintosh Plus modem cable will fit the IPX's serial ports.  You'll need a 
25-to-9 pin converter of the appropriate sexes.

See the Stokely site at 
http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources/modem.html

Remember that the IPX's serial ports are ordinarily restricted to 38.4 kbps, 
and don't expect blazing performance from that 56k modem.

"One LED on" is normal for the Type 4 mouse.  You have to have the right 
pad, and it has to be turned the right way, for the mouse to work.

With max RAM (64 megs) the IPX is a very nice box for the money, especially 
if you run it from either a serial console, telnet in, or use an X-terminal 
emulator on a PC.  Running stuff from the console, i.e. on the real monitor, 
isn't quite so nice.

-Shel

>Message: 14
>From: campbell steven <campbell@mindless.com>
>To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com
>Date: 16 Feb 2001 21:17:32 +1300
>Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun IPX modem cable and mouse problems
>
>Hi,
>
>I have aquired a Sun sparc station IPX, I am wanting to connect my 56k
>modem to it via the serial port. My modem has a DB9 plug on it. Can
>anyone point me to a site where I can find pin outs to make this cable?
>
>Also the machine came with a optical mouse, the boxy rectangular shaped
>one but with no pad, I printed out one of the postscript pad, and i can
>get *some* movement out of it but only on the vertical axis, it doesn't
>seem to move horizontally at all. Only one of the leds lights on the
>bottom of the mouse lights up i'm not sure if that has any thing to do
>with it or not.
>
>Out of interest under ideal circumstances how do these optical mice
>perform compared to your average mouse.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Campbell Steven






From rjhawkin@nand.net  Sat Feb 17 01:04:00 2001
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:04:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Any Key rjhawkin@nand.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 6x0mp OS question

Hello,
	I see that several of you out there are running the 6xxMP series
of Suns. From what I know that 2.5.1 or 4.1.3_u were the last SunOS that
supported the machine. When I looked a few months ago the various
different *nix's didnt seem to have MP support available.

	I was wondering what the OS of Choice for MP support is? 

	I have a 690MP myself though Its not 'up' at the moment, It was
given to me as a gift when the company that had it was going to dumpster
it because it had been EOL'd. I havent had time to try and get it going
yet. I have the Desk-side chassis, 256M of RAM and a 2.0G drive. Its a
Dual Processor, a Ross though I havent been able to find information
about what the card is. It is currently in storage so I cant get to it
really quick either (just moved).

Rowan Hawkins
Jack-Of-All-Trades -- Master-Of-None  (JOAT-MON)




From sun@minor-element.net  Sat Feb 17 19:02:22 2001
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:02:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Wedel sun@minor-element.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 6x0mp OS question

Rowan,
   I ran redhat on mine for a time, and I currently run Solaris 2.5.1.
As for the procs, open that bad boy up, carefully lift the proc cards and
get the part # off of their connector. Then proceed to sunhelp.org to the
hardware FAQ and look those up. Also, please respond back to either the
list or me, I'm trying to make a small '670MP ownders group' of sorts to
trade knowledge, parts, and ideas.
Thanks, and have fun with your new toy.

--
Martin Wedel
sun@minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Any Key wrote:

> Hello,
> 	I see that several of you out there are running the 6xxMP series
> of Suns. From what I know that 2.5.1 or 4.1.3_u were the last SunOS that
> supported the machine. When I looked a few months ago the various
> different *nix's didnt seem to have MP support available.
>
> 	I was wondering what the OS of Choice for MP support is?
>
> 	I have a 690MP myself though Its not 'up' at the moment, It was
> given to me as a gift when the company that had it was going to dumpster
> it because it had been EOL'd. I havent had time to try and get it going
> yet. I have the Desk-side chassis, 256M of RAM and a 2.0G drive. Its a
> Dual Processor, a Ross though I havent been able to find information
> about what the card is. It is currently in storage so I cant get to it
> really quick either (just moved).
>
> Rowan Hawkins
> Jack-Of-All-Trades -- Master-Of-None  (JOAT-MON)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Suns-at-Home mailing list
> Suns-at-Home@net-kitchen.com
> http://www.net-kitchen.com/mailman/listinfo/suns-at-home
>




From bt@insiders-fs.com  Mon Feb 19 09:51:31 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:51:31 +0100
From: Volker Borchert bt@insiders-fs.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SunOS 4.1.x (Re: Solaris 2.3 manuals )

In message <200102171013.CAA28103@shell15.ba.best.com> you write:

|> Personally, I'd say the most useful thing to have for a SS1+ is a
|> newer OS.  Solaris 2.6 will work on that machine, and won't be that
|> much slower in non-graphic mode.  NetBSD and OpenBSD both have stable,
|> bootable support for it, and are pretty quick.  Heck, if you want to
|> run a commercial OS, find a 4.1.3 CD and go to (gnu) town.  It'll be a lot
|> more stable and efficient (and no worse for support) than 2.3.

4.1.4 will even be Y2K clean if patched properly. There are no Y2K
patches for 4.1.3.

Neither will support local disk partitions larger than 2 GB, though
NFS mounting works. In this case, you'll need GNU "du" and "df"
from the fileutils package to get reasonable output for such large
partitions.

You don't really need much more GNU stuff. You will certainly want
gcc (be prepared, however, that the "make bootstrap" will take two
days at least on a 4/65), top, lsof, and a decent shell.

If you want to connect the box to the Internet, be sure to install
sendmail-8.11.2 and bind-4.9.8 or bind-9.1.1 to fix some of the
worst security problems.

	Volker



From rbain@waldenweb.com  Mon Feb 19 16:55:35 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:55:35 -0600
From: Rik Bain rbain@waldenweb.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Sun SBE/S trouble

I have a sbe/s card I am having trouble with.  It is jumpered for 10BT and 
I have the sun cable (530-1813), but I cannot get it to work.  I have tried 
a netgear 10BT hub and an old D-LINK hub.  both of these work on the SS10 
internal ethernet, as well as the SS2 ethernet with transceiver.

A watch-net-all will sometimes give 1-3 "."'s on the lan traffic test, but 
then it stops.  I was able to boot the machine and ping a host on the 
network, but only the first time.  I would think if this were a problem 
with the link test, it would not work at all.

Any insight/experience appreciated, as I dont know if I have a bad card or 
if I am doing something wrong.

Rik Bain



From mjpento@mediaone.net  Tue Feb 20 00:04:55 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:04:55 -0500
From: mjpento mjpento@mediaone.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Growing Partitions

Hello Folks,

	I have a stupid newbie question. I am trying to find out how 
to grow a partition. I know there is a way to resize partitions 
without losing data, but I cannot seem to find any information on 
this anywhere. I first realized that I needed to resize my /opt 
partition when I tried to install Netscape and needed more space 
there. I am running Solaris 7 on a Sparcstation 5.

Thanks,
Mike



From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Tue Feb 20 01:07:31 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:07:31 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] pretty printed man pages?

I'm having a heck of a time getting nice man(1) output on a Postscript printer.

I have installed the HP JetAdmin driver. It prints the Postcript test 
page okay. I can pump Postscript directly to lp(1).

"man -t progname" gives me what appears to be dtroff output on the printer.

I *can* do "troff -man manpage | dpost | lpr" and get proper output, 
but this does not work on SGML man pages, which are the vast majority 
of man pages.

It seems it would work if I could only insert dpost(1) between "man 
-t" and "lp", but that all seems to happen inside man. On a whim, I 
did "export TROFF='troff | dpost'" but it barfed, indicating that it 
wasn't expecting a pipeline.

I suppose I could write a simple script that took args and piped 
troff to dpost, and replace troff(1) with it, but it seems to me that 
something like this should already exist and be working!

What am I not seeing here?

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.Bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From dbwoodw@earthlink.net  Tue Feb 20 02:55:07 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:55:07 -0500
From: Don Woodward dbwoodw@earthlink.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] SunOS 4.1.x (Re: Solaris 2.3 manuals )

Not quite true - my "Sun Y2K Patches CD" has Y2K patches for SunOS 4.1.3U1vB
and 4.1.4.

Cheers,

Don Woodward
sales@sunsunsun.net
www.sunsunsun.net


"Volker Borchert" <bt@insiders-fs.com> wrote...

4.1.4 will even be Y2K clean if patched properly. There are no Y2K
patches for 4.1.3.






From mpotter@atpco.com  Tue Feb 20 03:44:27 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:44:27 -0500
From: Matthew Potter mpotter@atpco.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 630mp

I just got a 630mp, and i got two SM61 modules and two SM100(40x2cpu) modules? and I am wondering what configuration is faster? 4 40mhz cpus or 2 60mhz w/ cache




From Jan@Bytesmiths.com  Tue Feb 20 07:37:29 2001
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:37:29 -0800
From: Jan Steinman Jan@Bytesmiths.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sendmail/DNS woes...

I'm seemingly unable to get sendmail and DNS working together properly.

I have the Nutshell hand books "sendmail" and "DNS and BIND." They 
are older editions, but not THAT old. I've used them to successfully 
do it in the past, too!

I can send mail OUT of my server.

I can send mail into my server via bracketed IP notation: 
<mailto:jan@[63.222.204.130]>. (I haven't propagated my DNS info yet.)

I can send mail inside my server, using either a naked user name, or 
using the actual name of the server <mailto:jan@ss20.bytesmiths.com>

I CANNOT mail to any CNAME aliases to the actual server name, nor to 
the bare domain name: <mailto:jan@bytesmiths.com>. The mail bounces 
with:

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<jan@bytesmiths.com>

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 MX list for bytesmiths.com. points back to ss20.bytesmiths.com
554 <jan@bytesmiths.com>... Local configuration error

Reporting-MTA: dns; ss20.bytesmiths.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; macg4
Arrival-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:14:38 -0800 (PST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; jan@Bytesmiths.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.0
Remote-MTA: DNS; bytesmiths.com
Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:14:38 -0800 (PST)

-------------------------------------------------

(Note: my DNS is running locally, and the above domain addresses will 
not work for you.)

Here are the MX records grepped out of my /etc/named files:

ss20              IN MX 10        ss20
dns               IN MX 10        dns
ftp               IN MX 10        ftp
mail              IN MX 10        mail
www               IN MX 10        www
@                IN MX 10        ss20.bytesmiths.com.

As far as I can tell, this is "by the book." Any clues?

-- 
: Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
: Bytesmiths <http://www.Bytesmiths.com>
: 19280 Rydman Court, West Linn, OR 97068, 503.635.3229



From huge@huge.org.uk  Tue Feb 20 19:22:14 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:22:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: Huge huge@huge.org.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Growing Partitions

> 	I have a stupid newbie question. I am trying to find out how 
> to grow a partition. I know there is a way to resize partitions 
> without losing data, but I cannot seem to find any information on 
> this anywhere. I first realized that I needed to resize my /opt 
> partition when I tried to install Netscape and needed more space 
> there. I am running Solaris 7 on a Sparcstation 5.

In essence, with standard Solaris software, you can't.

You need one of the add-on disk management packages such as DiskSuite.

Regards,

Hugh.



From david@catwhisker.org  Tue Feb 20 20:54:12 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:54:12 -0800 (PST)
From: David Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sendmail/DNS woes...

>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:37:29 -0800
>From: Jan Steinman <Jan@Bytesmiths.com>

>I'm seemingly unable to get sendmail and DNS working together properly.

>I have the Nutshell hand books "sendmail" and "DNS and BIND." They 
>are older editions, but not THAT old. I've used them to successfully 
>do it in the past, too!

:-}

>....

>I CANNOT mail to any CNAME aliases to the actual server name, nor to 
>the bare domain name: <mailto:jan@bytesmiths.com>. The mail bounces 
>with:

>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
><jan@bytesmiths.com>

Well, it should be "interesting" to see the extent to which I'm
successful in sending this, then.  :-)

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>554 MX list for bytesmiths.com. points back to ss20.bytesmiths.com
>554 <jan@bytesmiths.com>... Local configuration error

>....

>(Note: my DNS is running locally, and the above domain addresses will 
>not work for you.)

>Here are the MX records grepped out of my /etc/named files:

>ss20              IN MX 10        ss20
>dns               IN MX 10        dns
>ftp               IN MX 10        ftp
>mail              IN MX 10        mail
>www               IN MX 10        www
>@                IN MX 10        ss20.bytesmiths.com.

>As far as I can tell, this is "by the book." Any clues?

Well, the rightmost field of an MX record needs to have a corresponding
A record.  You didn't show those... but "host -a -l bytesmiths.com"
shows:

rcode = 0 (Success), ancount=2
Found 1 addresses for NS2.INTEGRAONLINE.com
Found 1 addresses for NS.INTEGRAONLINE.com
Trying 64.122.32.10
bytesmiths.com	86400 IN	SOA	ns.integraonline.com hostmaster.integraonline.com(
			2000071502	;serial (version)
			28800	;refresh period
			7200	;retry refresh this often
			604800	;expiration period
			86400	;minimum TTL
			)
bytesmiths.com	86400 IN	NS	ns.integraonline.com
bytesmiths.com	86400 IN	NS	ns2.integraonline.com
bytesmiths.com	86400 IN	MX	10 mail.bytesmiths.com
ftp.bytesmiths.com	60 IN	CNAME	inet-bvtn.integraonline.com
mail.bytesmiths.com	86400 IN	CNAME	mail1.integraonline.com
www.bytesmiths.com	60 IN	CNAME	inet-bvtn.integraonline.com

[Except that I elided the 2nd copy of the SOA (an artifact of "host") -- dhw.]

In this case, the MX for bytesmiths.com points to mail.bytesmiths.com,
which has no A record.  That's wrong; fix it.

Cheers,
david
-- 
David H. Wolfskill				david@catwhisker.org
As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to
advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal
amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product.



From jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU  Tue Feb 20 20:55:34 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:55:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Jim Davis jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sendmail/DNS woes...

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jan Steinman wrote:

> 554 MX list for bytesmiths.com. points back to ss20.bytesmiths.com
> 554 <jan@bytesmiths.com>... Local configuration error

You've consulted <http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section4.html#4.5> ?




From huge@huge.org.uk  Tue Feb 20 21:01:56 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:01:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Huge huge@huge.org.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] sendmail/DNS woes...

Throw sendmail away....

Otherwise, that way lies madness.

I cannot recommend Postfix enough!

Regards,

Hugh.



From lakin@pgc.com  Tue Feb 20 21:49:35 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 01 13:49:35 PST
From: Fred Lakin lakin@pgc.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] can SunOS 4.1.4 ftp change permissions at remote end?

Once again I have encounted the problem that I can't
figure out how to change permissions from within ftp
on files sent to a remote host. 

The sysadmin assures me he had done what is necessary
at the remote end to allow me to do so (cgi scripts
in a web directory). And, I must do all site admin through
ftp since he allows no shell accounts.

So, I am just so lame I don't know how to do this using
the standard ftp that comes with 4.1.4? 

Or, is there some other ftp client I can install? I can't
upgrade to Solaris for sfwr legacy reasons.

tnx,
-f



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Wed Feb 21 00:01:59 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:01:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Growing Partitions

"From: mjpento <mjpento@mediaone.net>
"
"	I have a stupid newbie question. I am trying to find out how 
"to grow a partition. I know there is a way to resize partitions 
"without losing data, but I cannot seem to find any information on 
"this anywhere. I first realized that I needed to resize my /opt 
"partition when I tried to install Netscape and needed more space 
"there. I am running Solaris 7 on a Sparcstation 5.

if you've got disksuite running, read up on it.  you can link free
space anywhere to the /opt metadevice.

if you don't, ds makes use of an undocumented option to solaris2 mkfs
[-G iirc] which you can invoke directly, but the new space -must- add
directly to the end of the original partition, which means if another
partition was there you have to move it.  in short, the best way to
grow /opt is still the time-honored backup/reformat/restore.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From BehmJL@bvsg.com  Tue Feb 20 21:39:54 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:39:54 -0600
From: Behm, Jeffrey L. BehmJL@bvsg.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Growing Partitions

you could just make a new filesystem somewhere, mount it somewhere, and add
links from the filesystem you need more space in (or just mount it directly
somewhere where you need more space), although this makes your upgrading a
lot harder if you are increasing / or /usr...YMMV

I am not a "huge" (no pun intended) fan of this, but it may get you out of
the immediate jam.

Jeff
>-----Original Message-----
>From: huge@huge.org.uk [mailto:huge@huge.org.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 01 1:22 PM
>To: suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com; mjpento@mediaone.net
>Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Growing Partitions
>
>
>
>> 	I have a stupid newbie question. I am trying to find out how 
>> to grow a partition. I know there is a way to resize partitions 
>> without losing data, but I cannot seem to find any information on 
>> this anywhere. I first realized that I needed to resize my /opt 
>> partition when I tried to install Netscape and needed more space 
>> there. I am running Solaris 7 on a Sparcstation 5.
>
>In essence, with standard Solaris software, you can't.
>
>You need one of the add-on disk management packages such as DiskSuite.
>
>Regards,
>
>Hugh.
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From paul@anastrophe.com  Tue Feb 20 22:25:05 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:25:05 GMT
From: paul@anastrophe.com paul@anastrophe.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 630mp

The dual SM61's will be far and away the fastest config. The SM100's are 
stinkers, by just about any measure.

Matthew Potter writes: 

> I just got a 630mp, and i got two SM61 modules and two SM100(40x2cpu) modules? and I am wondering what configuration is faster? 4 40mhz cpus or 2 60mhz w/ cache 
> 
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From pinky@braincenter.de  Tue Feb 20 22:39:00 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:39:00 +0100
From: Dirk Stapels pinky@braincenter.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 630mp

Hi Matthew,

I would prefer the SM61's 'cause the Ross SM100 modules are very slow so even two of them are slower than a single SuperSparc.


Matthew Potter schrieb:

> I just got a 630mp, and i got two SM61 modules and two SM100(40x2cpu) modules? and I am wondering what configuration is faster? 4 40mhz cpus or 2 60mhz w/ cache
>
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From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 20 23:41:30 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:41:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 630mp

"From: Matthew Potter <mpotter@atpco.com>
"
"I just got a 630mp, and i got two SM61 modules and two SM100(40x2cpu) modules? and I am wondering what configuration is faster? 4 40mhz cpus or 2 60mhz w/ cache

the sm61 supersparcs are -way- faster than the older sm100 sun4c, and
they run solaris 8 too.  i'd go with the supers.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 20 23:44:12 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:44:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] pretty printed man pages?

"From: Jan Steinman <Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
[]
"I *can* do "troff -man manpage | dpost | lpr" and get proper output, 
"but this does not work on SGML man pages, which are the vast majority 
"of man pages.
"
"It seems it would work if I could only insert dpost(1) between "man 
"-t" and "lp", but that all seems to happen inside man. On a whim, I 
"did "export TROFF='troff | dpost'" but it barfed, indicating that it 
"wasn't expecting a pipeline.

you could try
export MANPAGER=dpost

"What am I not seeing here?

i believe the original sun lp interface scripts autodetect troff input
and run dpost on it.  it appears that the hp jetdirect scripts don't.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
adh@an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.)



From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Tue Feb 20 23:54:00 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:54:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 6x0mp OS question

"From: Any Key <rjhawkin@nand.net>
"
"	I see that several of you out there are running the 6xxMP series
"of Suns. From what I know that 2.5.1 or 4.1.3_u were the last SunOS that
"supported the machine. When I looked a few months ago the various
"different *nix's didnt seem to have MP support available.
"
"	I was wondering what the OS of Choice for MP support is? 

between those two, 2.5.1.  4.1.4 is mp-safe but very crude at juggling
more than one processor; it's also the first one to support ross cpus.
earlier 4.1 are prone to seize unexpectedly with mp and wouldn't run
on your system without the ross patch anyway.

"	I have a 690MP myself though Its not 'up' at the moment, It was
[]
"yet. I have the Desk-side chassis, 256M of RAM and a 2.0G drive. Its a
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nit: this would make it a >630<.  the >690< was in a full-height rack.
_____________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
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From schiller@agrijag.com  Wed Feb 21 01:24:38 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:24:38 -0500
From: Michael Schiller schiller@agrijag.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 630mp

Ok, similar question: In a 690MP which would be the faster setup, 4 50mhz supersparcs (SM520 & SM521) or 2 SM61's?

-Mike

Sandwich Maker wrote:

> "From: Matthew Potter <mpotter@atpco.com>
> "
> "I just got a 630mp, and i got two SM61 modules and two SM100(40x2cpu) modules? and I am wondering what configuration is faster? 4 40mhz cpus or 2 60mhz w/ cache
>
> the sm61 supersparcs are -way- faster than the older sm100 sun4c, and
> they run solaris 8 too.  i'd go with the supers.
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From airboss@dusk.bitstream.net  Wed Feb 21 01:43:55 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:43:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Dan Debertin airboss@dusk.bitstream.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] wavy screen

I have an ELC (sun4c) workstation that is beginning to show its age. The
screen is intermittently wavy, especially around the edges. I've moved all
other monitors over 5 feet away; it doesn't seem to be related to anything
in the room. Is there anything I can do, or is this box on its way out?

Thanks,

Dan Debertin
airboss@dusk.bitstream.net




From sun@minor-element.net  Wed Feb 21 03:05:17 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:05:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Wedel sun@minor-element.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 6x0mp OS question

> "yet. I have the Desk-side chassis, 256M of RAM and a 2.0G drive. Its a
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> nit: this would make it a >630<.  the >690< was in a full-height rack.
> _____________________________________________________________________

Not to nitpick, but it would make it a 670 or 630.  If I recall correctly,
the 690 is the 'cabinet' sized system, 16 9U VME slots, the 670 is a 12
9U slot deskside, and the 630 is a 3 x 9U and 2 x 6U VME-Bus.

I'd like a good picture of someones 630 if possile, I've been toying with
running one down to save a little space by 'downgrading' one of my 670's

-Martin
 www.minor-element.net




From adh@an.bradford.ma.us  Wed Feb 21 13:45:29 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:45:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandwich Maker adh@an.bradford.ma.us
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Re: 630mp

"From: Michael Schiller <schiller@agrijag.com>
"
"Ok, similar question: In a 690MP which would be the faster setup, 4 50mhz supersparcs (SM520 & SM521) or 2 SM61's?

if the 50s have cache and your os [eg. solaris2] and app really handle
mp well [also if you have a mess o' little apps], they would be.  with
4.1.4, i suspect you'd get better results out of the 61s.
_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor
internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more
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From henrik@larsson.net  Wed Feb 21 09:58:16 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:58:16 +0100
From: Henrik Larsson henrik@larsson.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] "Autoconfig error, your compiler doesn't seem to support any
 32 bit type"

Hello,

I have a SparcStation 4/110 running Solaris 8 and I am currently trying to 
install ssh-2.4.0 on it.

Before I got through the configure step, I had to install gcc, autoconf, 
make etc. from sunfreeware.com so that problem (which seems to be common) 
belongs to the past. Now I am instead stuck in the step of compiling (make).

I'll get this after just a few seconds of compiling...
"sshincludes_unix.h:51: #error "Autoconfig error, your compiler doesn't 
seem to support any 32 bit type"

My config.log is available at http://c249.ryd.student.liu.se/config.log

The only solution I have got so far is too reinstall my Solaris 8 as an 
"developer" install, but so much space on my hd isn't available and I think 
it is quite a "avoid the problem" solution. Isn't there anyone here who 
knows what to install from source or as a SUNW* package?

Another "solution" (to a similar problem on a different platform) that I've 
seen is http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/530/2000/6/0/3966116/ , but I 
don't want to do like that. Isn't there any other way?

Can't find anything about the above in this list's archive.

If there aren't any solution for the above problem. I am mainly interested 
in getting a ssh2 client with support for X forwarding installed on my 
system. So how do I instead do that? OpenSSH...?

Thanks in advance,

Henrik Larsson
Sweden




From martincarpenter@hotmail.com  Wed Feb 21 08:00:04 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:00:04 -0000
From: Martin Carpenter martincarpenter@hotmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] can SunOS 4.1.4 ftp change permissions at remote end?

>Once again I have encounted the problem that I can't
>figure out how to change permissions from within ftp
>on files sent to a remote host.
>
>[snip]
>
>So, I am just so lame I don't know how to do this using
>the standard ftp that comes with 4.1.4?

You probably don't need a newer client - but the server may not allow you to 
do what you want. Changing permissions on files is not defined by RFC 959.

>From the client's perspective, try "site chmod 644 filename" (or whatever). 
If it (the *client*) complains that it doesn't know about "site" then you 
could try "quote site chmod 644 filename". Any messages preceeded by 3 
digits are (probably) coming back from the server, not the client.

If you want to invest in a new client, then I quite like lftp (it has nice 
mirroring options that might interest you?). The source is out there 
somewhere...

Martin.

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From dowdy@cs.colorado.edu  Wed Feb 21 04:50:23 2001
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:50:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Stephen Dowdy dowdy@cs.colorado.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 6x0mp OS question

Martin,

Martin Wedel wrote:
> Not to nitpick, but it would make it a 670 or 630.  If I recall correctly,
> the 690 is the 'cabinet' sized system, 16 9U VME slots, the 670 is a 12
> 9U slot deskside, and the 630 is a 3 x 9U and 2 x 6U VME-Bus.

Actually, i believe the 670 was slightly smaller than the 690 (12 VME vs
16), but still not a deskside.  The 630 is a 12-slot desk-side pedestal.
(i'd say a 690 was "refrigerator" class, and the 670 was "cabinet" class)

You are thinking of the 4/330 chassis.  Kind of a cool box, It also had 2
3U slots for Memory cards that were linear to the 6U's (making a 9U slot
total physically, though the P1/P2+P3 buses were electrically isolated)

> I'd like a good picture of someones 630 if possile, I've been toying with
> running one down to save a little space by 'downgrading' one of my 670's

I have a couple of 630 chassis, one still in use.  It's about the size of
a 4/330 chassis but about 50% wider.  I've blown 2 power supplies on these,
and i understand that's a common failure mode :-(.  The 630 has a 4-bay SCSI
rack internal on top and was usually populated with the old Seagate 1.3GB
IPI-class SCSI drives.. woohoo, and a CDROM or Tape.
 
I *think* you can install a 600 VME board into a 4/330 chassis as long as
you don't care to use any other VME peripherals/memory boards. (just use
it for power)  I could be wrong, though.  (i seem to recall someone saying
they'd used a 3/110 chassis with a galaxy (/600) motherboard, too)

--stephen
--
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From v_bender@hotmail.com  Wed Feb 21 17:06:02 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:06:02 +0200
From: v b v_bender@hotmail.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: Growing Partitions

>"	I have a stupid newbie question. I am trying to find out how
>"to grow a partition. I know there is a way to resize partitions
>"without losing data, but I cannot seem to find any information on
>"this anywhere. I first realized that I needed to resize my /opt
>"partition when I tried to install Netscape and needed more space
>"there. I am running Solaris 7 on a Sparcstation 5.
>
>if you've got disksuite running, read up on it.  you can link free
>space anywhere to the /opt metadevice.
>
>if you don't, ds makes use of an undocumented option to solaris2 mkfs
>[-G iirc] which you can invoke directly, but the new space -must- add
>directly to the end of the original partition, which means if another
>partition was there you have to move it.  in short, the best way to
>grow /opt is still the time-honored backup/reformat/restore.

When ever a machine is built, make sure around 16MB are left unallocated on 
every disk that will be added to the machine.  This is smart planning for 
future scalability.  The space is needed to hold a raw partition that will 
house a meta database.  After the machine is built, the next thing to do is 
to install Solstice DiskSuite which comes free with Solaris8, and offers 
on-the-fly FileSystem growth, mirroring, hot spares, and RAID capabilities, 
to name a few.  I never build a corporate server without doing the above.  
It saved my butt numerous times and it comes in real handy when the servers 
run out of disk space.  Stick an additional disk on the machine, partition 
and newfs the disk, grow the existing FS and off you go.  With the mirroring 
capability of DiskSuite, you can replace a bad / dead disk by just sticking 
it in the machine, it will be rebuilt automatically (but you still have to 
detach and attach the mirror).

And BTW, when you admin a production environment with lots of machines, 
backing up / repartitioning / reformating is not an option since downtime is 
impossible to get, and time is worth as much as solid gold.

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From pinky@braincenter.de  Wed Feb 21 17:38:14 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:38:14 +0100
From: Dirk Stapels pinky@braincenter.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 6x0mp OS question

Hi,

just to let you know. I have a galaxy running in a 3/260. Works fine. Tried to
get the 512 MB extension to run which was absolut impossible though i got a lot
of help and info from here.

So if someone in or around germany has a spare 6x0 chassis i would be
interressted.

Dirk

Stephen Dowdy schrieb:

> Martin,
>
> Martin Wedel wrote:
> > Not to nitpick, but it would make it a 670 or 630.  If I recall correctly,
> > the 690 is the 'cabinet' sized system, 16 9U VME slots, the 670 is a 12
> > 9U slot deskside, and the 630 is a 3 x 9U and 2 x 6U VME-Bus.
>
> Actually, i believe the 670 was slightly smaller than the 690 (12 VME vs
> 16), but still not a deskside.  The 630 is a 12-slot desk-side pedestal.
> (i'd say a 690 was "refrigerator" class, and the 670 was "cabinet" class)
>
> You are thinking of the 4/330 chassis.  Kind of a cool box, It also had 2
> 3U slots for Memory cards that were linear to the 6U's (making a 9U slot
> total physically, though the P1/P2+P3 buses were electrically isolated)
>
> > I'd like a good picture of someones 630 if possile, I've been toying with
> > running one down to save a little space by 'downgrading' one of my 670's
>
> I have a couple of 630 chassis, one still in use.  It's about the size of
> a 4/330 chassis but about 50% wider.  I've blown 2 power supplies on these,
> and i understand that's a common failure mode :-(.  The 630 has a 4-bay SCSI
> rack internal on top and was usually populated with the old Seagate 1.3GB
> IPI-class SCSI drives.. woohoo, and a CDROM or Tape.
>
> I *think* you can install a 600 VME board into a 4/330 chassis as long as
> you don't care to use any other VME peripherals/memory boards. (just use
> it for power)  I could be wrong, though.  (i seem to recall someone saying
> they'd used a 3/110 chassis with a galaxy (/600) motherboard, too)
>
> --stephen
> --
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From nrichard@chem.wayne.edu  Wed Feb 21 16:40:06 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:40:06 -0400
From: Nick Richardson nrichard@chem.wayne.edu
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Re: 6x0mp OS question

At 9:50 PM -0700 2/20/01, Stephen Dowdy wrote:
>Martin,
>
>Martin Wedel wrote:
>>  Not to nitpick, but it would make it a 670 or 630.  If I recall correctly,
>>  the 690 is the 'cabinet' sized system, 16 9U VME slots, the 670 is a 12
>>  9U slot deskside, and the 630 is a 3 x 9U and 2 x 6U VME-Bus.
>
>Actually, i believe the 670 was slightly smaller than the 690 (12 VME vs
>16), but still not a deskside.  The 630 is a 12-slot desk-side pedestal.
>(i'd say a 690 was "refrigerator" class, and the 670 was "cabinet" class)
>
>You are thinking of the 4/330 chassis.  Kind of a cool box, It also had 2
>3U slots for Memory cards that were linear to the 6U's (making a 9U slot
>total physically, though the P1/P2+P3 buses were electrically isolated)
>
>>  I'd like a good picture of someones 630 if possile, I've been toying with
>>  running one down to save a little space by 'downgrading' one of my 670's
>
>I have a couple of 630 chassis, one still in use.  It's about the size of
>a 4/330 chassis but about 50% wider.  I've blown 2 power supplies on these,
>and i understand that's a common failure mode :-(.  The 630 has a 4-bay SCSI
>rack internal on top and was usually populated with the old Seagate 1.3GB
>IPI-class SCSI drives.. woohoo, and a CDROM or Tape.
>
>I *think* you can install a 600 VME board into a 4/330 chassis as long as
>you don't care to use any other VME peripherals/memory boards. (just use
>it for power)  I could be wrong, though.  (i seem to recall someone saying
>they'd used a 3/110 chassis with a galaxy (/600) motherboard, too)
>
>--stephen

Just to confirm, you can put a 600 VME board in a 4/330 chassis, as I 
did this last weekend and everything seems to work fine. I just use 
the chassis to supply the power for the board and the SCSI devices 
(hard drive, CD and tape).

Nick Richardson



From nico@gartengold.de  Fri Feb 23 20:25:53 2001
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:25:53 +0100
From: Nico Goldschmidt nico@gartengold.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Solaris on JavaStation?

Hello,

I'm thinking about buying a JavaStation 1 (Mr. Coffee) for my 
collection which should be used for web-surfing. The original 
software combination netra-j, JavaOS and HotJava seems not to be 
satisfying for that purpose, so I want to run it as a diskless 
workstation, preferably under Solaris like the SPARCclassic X or 
XTerminal 1.
AFAIK, the JavaStation is basically a SPARCstation 4 without 
SCSI/HDD/Floppy/CD-ROM/SBus and running Linux and NetBSD 
via dhcp, bootp, tftp, etc. is no problem. So I guess it is possible to 
load a Solaris kernel, but will it work on that Hardware? At least the 
OpenBoot ist different to other SUNs.

I found no hints on this issue in the usenet, so any help would be 
appreciated,
Nico





From mpotter@atpco.com  Fri Feb 23 21:27:16 2001
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:27:16 -0500
From: Matthew Potter mpotter@atpco.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] 4/6XX bootprom question

I have the following boot proms, and am unable to look the serial #'s up

I think these are the orginal boot proms(it was later upgraded to SM61's),
for the 4/6XX series.

one set of 4 chips
525-12XX
XX=09-12

the other set
525-11XX-04 (A)
XX=68-71

anyone know the specs on these?

Why does the 4/630mp have 4 boot proms anyways?

Matt





From bcook@idsi.net  Fri Feb 23 22:42:13 2001
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:42:13 -0500
From: B. Cook bcook@idsi.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Couple of Ultra1's..

I just got some Ultra1 170's from a company that was using them as web
servers..

well, I'm trying to install netbsd on them and they keep dying on the
install.. Well, I decided that I should try and install Solaris and see what
it says about the hardware..

It's got OpenBoot 3.5 and when I boot solaris 5.8 it says...

Notice: The firmware on this system does not support the 64-bit OS.  Please
upgrade to at least

OBP 3.11.1 1997/12/03 16:43

Booting the 32-bit OS


I have the solaris 8 CD set with the (what I think) are boot proms that I
can use/upgrade to.  But when I follow the directions that say to take out
the sbus card, move the jumper over, and reboot the system and follow the
directions.. there are no directions that come up.  So I'm kinda at a loss..

Any one have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Brian




From rnovak@indyramp.com  Sat Feb 24 01:09:26 2001
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:09:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Novak rnovak@indyramp.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

I thought I heard a "B. Cook" say:
> 
> I just got some Ultra1 170's from a company that was using them as web
> servers..

Quickie URLs. Pull the appropriate one up while you read on.

	Ultra 1 170:
	http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fpatches%2F104881
	Ultra 1 170E:
	http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fpatches%2F104288

> I have the solaris 8 CD set with the (what I think) are boot proms that I
> can use/upgrade to.  But when I follow the directions that say to take out
> the sbus card, move the jumper over, and reboot the system and follow the
> directions.. there are no directions that come up.  So I'm kinda at a loss..
> 
> Any one have any suggestions?

The instructions are on the OBP update cd, or you can check the
appropriate URL above for the latest OBP level (as of 5 minutes ago) and
complete instructions. If you want to get the latest version and the above
are no longer current (i.e. if you're reading this in the archives) try
going to http://sunsolve.sun.com/ and searching for "ultra 1 obp" (or
whatever model you may have).

The key is you have to copy the upgrade binary to your root filesystem,
power down, adjust the appropriate jumper, and then boot that binary file.
The instructions in the above urls are pretty clear on the process...
wasn't obvious to me the first time I tried either.

Read the instructions carefully, make sure you know you could cause the
end of civilization as we know it (or at least disable your system) if you
mess up the update, and good luck!

--Rob

-- 
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        "And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe
           Maybe this year will be better than the last...." -- counting crows



From pinky@braincenter.de  Sat Feb 24 01:22:22 2001
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:22:22 +0100
From: Dirk Stapels pinky@braincenter.de
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Couple of Ultra1's..

Hi,

it is quiet easy. Go to the Sun Documentation Server ( docs.sun.com ). Get the
Solaris 8 Guide. Look for the page where they describe the boot prom upgrade.
Print it !!! Take your sun and follow the orders you printed. :-)

regards

Dirk


"B. Cook" schrieb:

> I just got some Ultra1 170's from a company that was using them as web
> servers..
>
> well, I'm trying to install netbsd on them and they keep dying on the
> install.. Well, I decided that I should try and install Solaris and see what
> it says about the hardware..
>
> It's got OpenBoot 3.5 and when I boot solaris 5.8 it says...
>
> Notice: The firmware on this system does not support the 64-bit OS.  Please
> upgrade to at least
>
> OBP 3.11.1 1997/12/03 16:43
>
> Booting the 32-bit OS
>
> I have the solaris 8 CD set with the (what I think) are boot proms that I
> can use/upgrade to.  But when I follow the directions that say to take out
> the sbus card, move the jumper over, and reboot the system and follow the
> directions.. there are no directions that come up.  So I'm kinda at a loss..
>
> Any one have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Brian
>
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From huge@huge.org.uk  Sat Feb 24 12:20:32 2001
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:20:32 +0000 (GMT)
From: Huge huge@huge.org.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

> From: rnovak@indyramp.com (Robert Novak)

> The key is you have to copy the upgrade binary to your root filesystem,
> power down, adjust the appropriate jumper, and then boot that binary file.

Or just install Solaris 8, set the jumper and reboot.

H.



From bcook@idsi.net  Sun Feb 25 19:04:28 2001
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:04:28 -0500
From: B. Cook bcook@idsi.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Nevermind..

I found it :p

I have to Become root and change the default kernel from 32-bit to 64-bit by
editing the /platform/platform-name/boot.conf file.

i.e.
# cd /platform/sun4u/
# ls
boot.conf  cprboot    cprbooter  kadb       kernel     ufsboot
# vi boot.conf

Uncomment the line ALLOW_64BIT_KERNEL_ON_UltraSPARC_1_CPU=true.

:P

Not sure why this didn't come up the first hundred times I looked for it :)

Thanks anyway..

Brian




From bcook@idsi.net  Sun Feb 25 18:44:02 2001
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:44:02 -0500
From: B. Cook bcook@idsi.net
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

Thanks for all the help :)

I went to the site and followed the directions and all went well :)

OpenBoot Prom 3.25 for the Ultra1's and 3.27 on the Ultra10 :)

well, now for the next question in this adventure..

I thought all the Ultra's were 64bit - hence the name.  Upon booting solaris
8 (prior to the obp upgrade) I got the previous message saying
" Notice: The firmware on this system does not support the 64-bit OS.
Please
upgrade to at least

OBP 3.11.1 1997/12/03 16:43

Booting the 32-bit OS"

Well now it says:

Notice: 64-bit OS installed but the 32-bit OS is the default for teh
processor(s) on this system

 Other than the obvious what does this mean?  That the UltraSparc 170 isn't
an UltraSparc? but a regular Sparc?  like I could upgrade a Sparc5 to?

appreciating any words of wizdom :)

Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Novak" <rnovak@indyramp.com>
To: "B. Cook" <bcook@idsi.net>
Cc: <suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:09 PM
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)


> I thought I heard a "B. Cook" say:
> >
> > I just got some Ultra1 170's from a company that was using them as web
> > servers..
>
> Quickie URLs. Pull the appropriate one up while you read on.
>
> Ultra 1 170:
> http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fpatches%2F104881
> Ultra 1 170E:
> http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fpatches%2F104288
>
> > I have the solaris 8 CD set with the (what I think) are boot proms that
I
> > can use/upgrade to.  But when I follow the directions that say to take
out
> > the sbus card, move the jumper over, and reboot the system and follow
the
> > directions.. there are no directions that come up.  So I'm kinda at a
loss..
> >
> > Any one have any suggestions?
>
> The instructions are on the OBP update cd, or you can check the
> appropriate URL above for the latest OBP level (as of 5 minutes ago) and
> complete instructions. If you want to get the latest version and the above
> are no longer current (i.e. if you're reading this in the archives) try
> going to http://sunsolve.sun.com/ and searching for "ultra 1 obp" (or
> whatever model you may have).
>
> The key is you have to copy the upgrade binary to your root filesystem,
> power down, adjust the appropriate jumper, and then boot that binary file.
> The instructions in the above urls are pretty clear on the process...
> wasn't obvious to me the first time I tried either.
>
> Read the instructions carefully, make sure you know you could cause the
> end of civilization as we know it (or at least disable your system) if you
> mess up the update, and good luck!
>
> --Rob
>
> --
> Robert Novak, Indyramp Consulting * rnovak@indyramp.com *
indyramp.com/~rnovak
>         "And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe
>            Maybe this year will be better than the last...." -- counting
crows
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From rnovak@indyramp.com  Mon Feb 26 02:26:27 2001
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:26:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Novak rnovak@indyramp.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

I thought I heard a "B. Cook" say:
> 
> I thought all the Ultra's were 64bit - hence the name.  
> 
> Notice: 64-bit OS installed but the 32-bit OS is the default for the
> processor(s) on this system
> 
>  Other than the obvious what does this mean?  That the UltraSparc 170 isn't
> an UltraSparc? but a regular Sparc?  like I could upgrade a Sparc5 to?

It means there's a bit of an issue with the Ultra 1 processor in 64-bit
mode, described (I believe) in the boot.conf file. 

You can probably upgrade a Sparc 5 to an Ultra with a Cycle board swap,
but anymore it's not cost effective from what I hear. Cycle boards are
still pretty expensive, and an Ultra 1 from Sun goes for only about $700?
(store.sun.com under remanufactured workstations)....

--Rob 


-- 
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        "And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe
           Maybe this year will be better than the last...." -- counting crows



From Kevin_Stevens@Bigfoot.com  Mon Feb 26 03:26:34 2001
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:26:34 -0800
From: Kevin Stevens Kevin_Stevens@Bigfoot.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

Man boot and look at the notes at the end.  There is/was some kind of security
exploit possible on the <200MHz Ultras, so Sun defaults them to a 32-bit
kernel.  In the notes it explains the file and variable to modify to default
to the 64-bit kernel instead.

KeS

----- Original Message -----
From: "B. Cook" <bcook@idsi.net>
To: <suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:44
Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)


> Thanks for all the help :)
>
> I went to the site and followed the directions and all went well :)
>
> OpenBoot Prom 3.25 for the Ultra1's and 3.27 on the Ultra10 :)
>
> well, now for the next question in this adventure..
>
> I thought all the Ultra's were 64bit - hence the name.  Upon booting solaris
> 8 (prior to the obp upgrade) I got the previous message saying
> " Notice: The firmware on this system does not support the 64-bit OS.
> Please
> upgrade to at least
>
> OBP 3.11.1 1997/12/03 16:43
>
> Booting the 32-bit OS"
>
> Well now it says:
>
> Notice: 64-bit OS installed but the 32-bit OS is the default for teh
> processor(s) on this system
>
>  Other than the obvious what does this mean?  That the UltraSparc 170 isn't
> an UltraSparc? but a regular Sparc?  like I could upgrade a Sparc5 to?
>
> appreciating any words of wizdom :)
>
> Brian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Novak" <rnovak@indyramp.com>
> To: "B. Cook" <bcook@idsi.net>
> Cc: <suns-at-home@net-kitchen.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:09 PM
> Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)
>
>
> > I thought I heard a "B. Cook" say:
> > >
> > > I just got some Ultra1 170's from a company that was using them as web
> > > servers..
> >
> > Quickie URLs. Pull the appropriate one up while you read on.
> >
> > Ultra 1 170:
> > http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fpatches%2F104881
> > Ultra 1 170E:
> > http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fpatches%2F104288
> >
> > > I have the solaris 8 CD set with the (what I think) are boot proms that
> I
> > > can use/upgrade to.  But when I follow the directions that say to take
> out
> > > the sbus card, move the jumper over, and reboot the system and follow
> the
> > > directions.. there are no directions that come up.  So I'm kinda at a
> loss..
> > >
> > > Any one have any suggestions?
> >
> > The instructions are on the OBP update cd, or you can check the
> > appropriate URL above for the latest OBP level (as of 5 minutes ago) and
> > complete instructions. If you want to get the latest version and the above
> > are no longer current (i.e. if you're reading this in the archives) try
> > going to http://sunsolve.sun.com/ and searching for "ultra 1 obp" (or
> > whatever model you may have).
> >
> > The key is you have to copy the upgrade binary to your root filesystem,
> > power down, adjust the appropriate jumper, and then boot that binary file.
> > The instructions in the above urls are pretty clear on the process...
> > wasn't obvious to me the first time I tried either.
> >
> > Read the instructions carefully, make sure you know you could cause the
> > end of civilization as we know it (or at least disable your system) if you
> > mess up the update, and good luck!
> >
> > --Rob
> >
> > --
> > Robert Novak, Indyramp Consulting * rnovak@indyramp.com *
> indyramp.com/~rnovak
> >         "And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe
> >            Maybe this year will be better than the last...." -- counting
> crows
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From jeffw@smoe.org  Mon Feb 26 02:24:07 2001
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:24:07 -0500
From: Jeff Wasilko jeffw@smoe.org
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:44:02PM -0500, B. Cook wrote:
> Well now it says:
> 
> Notice: 64-bit OS installed but the 32-bit OS is the default for teh
> processor(s) on this system
> 
>  Other than the obvious what does this mean?  That the UltraSparc 170 isn't
> an UltraSparc? but a regular Sparc?  like I could upgrade a Sparc5 to?
> 
> appreciating any words of wizdom :)

There is a bug in the Ultrasparc I cpus that can allow a
non-root user to hang the system. Apparently it requires
hand-generated assembly code, so the likelyhood that it will
affect a real system is slight.

However, Sun chose to make the default mode for US-I based
systems 32-bit.

-jeff



From timl@scintilla.utwente.nl  Mon Feb 26 23:51:57 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:51:57 +0100 (CET)
From: Tim ter Laak timl@scintilla.utwente.nl
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] VGA monitor on sun3/60 mono ecl?

Hello,

Recently I saved a headless sun3/60 from the scrapheap, just to play
something with netbooting and linux-68k.
I will be setting up a serial connection to my PC with
terminal-emulation anyway, but just for the fun of it I'd also like to put
a monitor on this sun. Current VGA monitors should be able to work at the
(for that time) crazy frequencies sun's use for video, but I'm not sure
how to connect the actual video signal.
As stated in subject, my 3/60 has just it's standard mono framebuffer,
with a 9-pin D-connector and "ECL output" for the actual video signal (so
not the sync-signals if I understand correctly).
Perhaps anyone of you has done this before and can tell me how? (Or can
tell me he blew up 2 well working monitors in the attempt :-)

Please mail me at timl*AT*scintilla.utwente.nl, because I'm not on this
list.

Kind regards,

	Tim ter Laak.




From bt@insiders-fs.com  Tue Feb 27 09:56:46 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:56:46 +0100
From: Volker Borchert bt@insiders-fs.com
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] VGA monitor on sun3/60 mono ecl?

In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102270040310.1611-100000@utelscin.scintilla> you write:

|> Recently I saved a headless sun3/60 from the scrapheap,

Where is this scrap heap? Is there any more Sun stuff on it?

|> something with netbooting and linux-68k.

You are aware that you can download SunOS 4.1.1 and the _U1
update package from http://sun3arc.krupp.net/ ?

|> As stated in subject, my 3/60 has just it's standard mono framebuffer,
|> with a 9-pin D-connector and "ECL output" for the actual video signal (so
|> not the sync-signals if I understand correctly).

Video is ECL, Sync is TTL.

|> Perhaps anyone of you has done this before and can tell me how?

You would need level converters, or you could try to modify the
frame buffer so that it outputs analog video. Since we are
talking VHF here, this is probably not a project for beginners.

Another solution would be to hunt a little for a color frame
buffer and a 13W3->VGA adaptor cable.

|> Please mail me at timl*AT*scintilla.utwente.nl, because I'm not
|> on this list.

This is not how mailing lists work.

Regards,
	Volker



From timl@scintilla.utwente.nl  Tue Feb 27 12:52:07 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:52:07 +0100 (CET)
From: Tim ter Laak timl@scintilla.utwente.nl
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] VGA monitor on sun3/60 mono ecl?

First I'd like to apologize for mailing to this list without
subscription. I never noticed it to be a problem on other lists I am
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Volker Borchert wrote:

> In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102270040310.1611-100000@utelscin.scintilla> you write:
> 
> |> Recently I saved a headless sun3/60 from the scrapheap,
> 
> Where is this scrap heap? Is there any more Sun stuff on it?
> 

Nope. This was the only sun, the rest are mainly Olivetti's.

> |> something with netbooting and linux-68k.
> 
> You are aware that you can download SunOS 4.1.1 and the _U1
> update package from http://sun3arc.krupp.net/ ?

Yes. I might try that too. But I will have to try if I can just untar it
and put it on a TFTP / NFS server. Anybody tried that?

> 
> |> As stated in subject, my 3/60 has just it's standard mono framebuffer,
> |> with a 9-pin D-connector and "ECL output" for the actual video signal (so
> |> not the sync-signals if I understand correctly).
> 
> Video is ECL, Sync is TTL.
> 
> |> Perhaps anyone of you has done this before and can tell me how?
> 
> You would need level converters, or you could try to modify the
> frame buffer so that it outputs analog video. Since we are
> talking VHF here, this is probably not a project for beginners.

Well, I do have a fair amount of electronics experience. But what most
troubles me is that the ECL video signal seems to be on 2 pins, and that
according to ECL-logic manufacturers ECL signals are ALWAYS negative.
Add to that that most connector descriptions I found differ slightly from
one another.

Grtz,

	Tim.




From David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk  Tue Feb 27 17:51:05 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:51:05 +0000
From: David Richerby David.Richerby@cl.cam.ac.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Ultra1 OBP update (was Re: Couple of Ultra1's..)

Jeff Wasilko wrote (on Sun, 25 February):
> There is a bug in the Ultrasparc I cpus that can allow a
> non-root user to hang the system. Apparently it requires
> hand-generated assembly code, so the likelyhood that it will
> affect a real system is slight.

Unless somebody publishes the exploit, in which case the chances of it
happening to your machine depend on who uses it.  I've not been able
to find any concrete information about this bug anywhere on the web;
Sun have not published details.


Dave.



From timl@scintilla.utwente.nl  Tue Feb 27 19:10:12 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:10:12 +0100 (CET)
From: Tim ter Laak timl@scintilla.utwente.nl
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] VGA monitor on sun3/60 mono ecl?

> |> Well, I do have a fair amount of electronics experience. But what most
> 
> With 60+ MHz analog signals, which is what you have on the VGA
> side?
> 
> If so, take a close look at the frame buffer. On my SBus ECL b/w
> frame buffers, it seems that only the driver stage is ECL, and
> that it uses TTL->ECL drivers (Motorola 10H<something>). I'd try
> to tap the TTL level side - then a passive resistor network with
> what in German is called an "emitter follower" might do.
> 

Thanks for the tip. Seems that with mine too only output stage is ECL. It
would indeed be nonsense to convert a signal that has already be
converted. I readily admit that these frequencies aren't a piece of cake,
but it can be done. Especially since I'm not expecting "commercial
quality" :-) 

> 
> |> Add to that that most connector descriptions I found differ slightly from
> |> one another.
> 
> Do you have access to an oscilloscope? After all, it's only nine
> pins...
> 

Unfortunately not, at least not to scopes that work with 60+ Mhz
signals. But my doubts were focused on the ECL signals. And I have found
schematics of my 3/60, which will also help in locating the needed TTL
video signal.

Tim.






From alexios@vennea.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 20:05:02 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:05:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alexios Chouchoulas alexios@vennea.demon.co.uk
Subject: [Suns-at-Home] Any Sun kit for sale in the UK?

  Hello folks!

  I've an old 3/160 which I don't really run (1.2 kW PSU, you see), but I'd
like to get a more recent machine. Something sun4-ish would be nice,
preferably something that can run *BSD or Linux. Do you know of any 2nd hand
kit for sale around in the UK or nearby EU countries?

  If there's any in Edinburgh, so much the better. No shipping required.
:-)

Alexios

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